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(10) GNR, Milli Vanelli, and FYC obviously the best things on there. (I like Madonna, but not that particular record so much.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

(11) I thoroughly enjoy the first Tiffany LP.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

For some reason I thought "Heaven Help Me" was by Maxi Priest but hey I remember the chorus hook more than the dude.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 7 May 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Karyn White was cool; so were the Deon Estus song (which sounds so much like George Michael it's no wonder George sings on it) and Rick Astley's "She Wants To Dance With Me."

Amateurist: Sheriff's "When I'm With You" is a hairy power ballad, originally released in 1985 but rereleased in '89. Come to Miami and you'll hear Mike's mechanical "Living Years" in every bakery and beauty parlor.

Shouldn't John Darnielle have written a song about his Rick Astley experience by now?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Mojo Nixon did!

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 7 May 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I just listened to "She Drives Me Crazy"

Fantastic song. Benefits muchly from ripping the drum pattern (and to a large extent, the video) from New Order's "True Faith".

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 7 May 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

same director. that kind of stuff is his thing.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 7 May 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I figured it had to be.

I mean, if you're gonna do one style throughout your career, that's a pretty good one, with people as abstract art images moving in time to the music and whatnot. The "True Faith" video is easily one of my favorites of ever.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 8 May 2005 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm kinda surprised here, Dr. Bill -- you surely *did* notice the cameo appearance of the two blue/orange/yellow guys from "True Faith" in the "She Drives Me Crazy" video at the time? That's precisely what confirmed my hunch!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 May 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I notciced the similarity, but didn't realize they were the exact same guys by the exact same director.

Next time I catch either on VH1 Classic, I'll be sure to pay more attention.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 8 May 2005 04:54 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm Not The Man I Used To Be" is not only a wonderful song, but a strong contender for best use of a "Funky Drummer" rip from that point in the late 80s when it was inescapable. Roland really does have a beautiful voice, and maudlin resignation suits it best.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 8 May 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Hang on, it's "Make It Funky" isn't it, not "Funky Drummer". Still, golden.

TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link

singer's falsetto actually frightened me with its intensity as a lad.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 May 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Damon Wayans did a great parody of it on In Living Colour during a sketch about Soul Train.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 8 May 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Remember the ILC Crystal Waters and Milli Vanilli video parodies?

"Yabba-dabba-DEE/yabba-dabba-DOO/ha-ha-HEE/ha-ha-HO..."

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 May 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember Roland Gift being compared to Otis Redding quite frequently. Maybe; but no lie, the way he sang from the top of his throat reminded me more of KC, of the Sunshine Band! Those '89 hits were OK but got too much airplay for my taste. I liked "Johnny Come Home" a lot more, and also "Suspicious Minds", a song which I HATED when Elvis did it. (I swear, I'll never understand why this is considered one of the alltime great Presley songs. Vegas horns + Nashville strings + Sweet Inspirations = an Elvis vocal that's virtually inaudible - even with his own harmonies overdubbed - and could be anybody.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

There should've been more Two Men, A Drum Machine And A Trumpet singles.

$V£N! (blueski), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

They played "Suspicious Minds" on VH1 a bit during the Raw & The Cooked era, but I never heard "Johnny Come Home" till years later on VH1 Classic. It is a terrific track.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I like how they disappeared when they did, leaving fond memories of two ok albums, rather than carried on stinking up the 90's. I could never understand the Otis Redding comparison, he sounded like some lost Trojan records act (Tony Tribe?) rather than a classic soul vocalist.

They did that 2 Men With a Drum Machine and a Trumpet house single which was rather good iirc, if anyone can to do a ysi I'd be happy.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 8 May 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Amateurist: The Sherriff song is a classic. I'm sure you'd recognize it if you heard it. It centres on the word "baby" with vowels drawn out to at least eight extra syllables. "Baaaa-baa-y-aa-y-aa-y-yaa-y-aa-y/I get chills when I'm with you/Oh baaabaa-y-aa-y-aa-y-aa-y-aa/My world stands still when I'm with you-ooh-ooh-woah-oh-oh-oh" is an approximation of hte chorus.

That chart really touches something. Jeez, I haven't heard that Rod Stewart song in ages. Paula Abdul will always have a place in my heart (if maybe not on my stereo).

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"the chorus"

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

IIRC Sherrif was led by Arnold Lanni, later of Frozen Ghost 'fame'.

I actually still kind of don't mind some songs from White Lion's Pride, although "When the Children Cry" isn't a favourite. Vito Bratta (the one who was probably Amateurist's roommate's neighbour) was possibly one of the more capable lead guitarists in that 'genre', I think. Search: "Hungry", "Wait".

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 8 May 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

There should've been more Two Men, A Drum Machine And A Trumpet singles.

$V£N! completely OTM.

(I had to scrounge up both UK and US versions of the 12" to get as much as I can out that side project.)

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"She Drives Me Crazy" has two histories for me.. it was that song that I couldn't escape from Top 40 during the last months of my high school years... and then, when I would join college radio the second half of the year and discovery, essentially, underground rock.. Sub Pop, Amrep, Boner records bands.. sludgly, grungey, great stuff.. and then in 1990, The Raw And The Cooked was voted Best Alternative Album of 1989 according to CMJ, i knew the term "alternative" was dead dead DEAD!

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

was it ever truly alive?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i sort of feel like "alternative" was a slightly corporatized euphemism for what had previously been considered "college rock" or "underground" or whathaveyou.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

but then i didn't start college radio until well after "alternative" had been almost completely gutted as a signifier. (i.e., mid-late 1990s)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yup, vito bratta! gene pitney apparently grew up in the same neighborhood, albeit like 30 years before.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i sort of feel like "alternative" was a slightly corporatized euphemism for what had previously been considered "college rock" or "underground" or whathaveyou.

DING DING DING DING DING!

Yeah, it was a very much mid to late 80s corporate term... it unfortunately got de-flatlined for a bit when Nirvana became popular but went back to the grave just as quickly... the nails in the coffin were Steve of 90210's positive comment about the Flaming Lips' "She Don't Use Jelly" on that episode.

donut debonair (donut), Sunday, 8 May 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

If the Billboard "Modern Rock Chart" pre-Nirvana is supposed to be believed, stuff like FYC, Peter Gabriel, Crowded House, Richard Thompson, and Michael Penn was what college students were listening to. Maybe they were.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

That's sort of what I remember 'older people' listening to when I was a kid at that time. Midnight Oil! Timbuk 3! Johnny Clegg!

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 8 May 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

What college students listen to and what underground radio stations play are two VERY differnt things.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 8 May 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

revive!

"don't let it get you down" is such a jam! i second barry bruner's advice upthread. shoulda been a single.

andrew m., Monday, 31 December 2007 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I still love the first album. timeless classic.

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link

any views on the 'raw and the remix' versions?

Bob Six, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I love this thread.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 01:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Timely revive...good Dolly Parton cover version here.

dabug, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Revive again.

I heard "Good Thing" on my way to Citarella yesterday, and it made the clouds part. Great stuff.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 23 March 2008 22:37 (sixteen years ago) link

did they do anything better than that?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 March 2008 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I like "the Flame" as well. And "Tell Me What". And "Johnny Come Home" is flawless.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 23 March 2008 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

WEIRD. I've been listening to "Blue," "Johnny Come Home," and the glorious "Don't Look Back" all week, "Don't Look Back" is a 12-string cousin to the Beat's "Best Friend."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link

'blue' is amazing

electricsound, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:51 (sixteen years ago) link

The Raw & The Cooked was being advertised, on pink & grey posters, on bus stops in February 1989. It is for the memory of those days, and the prominence they had then in British life, that I have what fondness I have for the band. And 'She Drives Me Crazy', surely a #1 45 back then, will do as the musical emblem.

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:54 (sixteen years ago) link

As I said upthread, it's still remarkable that they scored two #1 hits and adlbum stateside.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 23 March 2008 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

They are rated quite highly on amg

Now I can groove to FYC when the mood strikes and all, d then there's this: Then, and I actually really respect Jo-Ann Greene as a critic, but there are bold, unqualified proclamations, anof course, there's "She Drives Me Crazy," which features the most unique, and instantly identifiable, beat/riff combination of the decade.

Pillbox, Monday, 24 March 2008 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Whoa - that post got all sorts of fucked up. I'll try again

They are quite highly rated on amg

Now I can groove to FYC when the mood strikes and all, and I actually really respect Jo-Ann Greene as a critic, but there are bold, unqualified proclamations, and then there's this: Then, of course, there's "She Drives Me Crazy," which features the most unique, and instantly identifiable, beat/riff combination of the decade.

Pillbox, Monday, 24 March 2008 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfdIAbHzxmg

lol awesome dancing

gff, Monday, 24 March 2008 01:06 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

god, "Don't Look Back"

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

"I'm Not The Man I Used To Be" is absolutely killer.

Euler, Monday, 21 December 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Can't argue with that.

when i was your age i was thinking about how to kill people (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link


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