Pauline Oliveros

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i dont think there has been a thread on oliveros, or the deep listening band, and i'm not entirely sure what i want to ask either, so, for the moment, why don't we leave it at you, telling me, what you think of pauline oliveros. i'd like to hear abuot that stuff that was in a big well too

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

'no mo' is a CD of her electronic pieces from '66/'67.

Gonna have to get round some of her 'deep listening' stuff someday. Can anyone tell me what's the distinction between that and ambient as defined by eno et al (if any)?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

g,

she is having a deep listening retreat next week.

she sat next to me at a TFUL282 show about 6 years ago.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i've only heard "Beautiful Soop" and one deep listening band track but they are both superb.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

She played in the one of the original performances of In C.

She's a total hippy as far as avant-garde composers are concerned.

While she's mostly known for the more meditative deep listening related pieces, she's composed some really cool more intense/rhythmic/minimalist type stuff, like on The Wanderer LP on Lovely Music, which is scored for an accordian marching band/symphony or something and rocks thoroughly.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

im playing the lp with dempster and panaiotis at the moment, and its tremendously exciting. lysergic and empty, it makes me feel like i can go and do anything right now

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I got to participate in what I guess was a deep listening piece at UC San Diego once. It was fun. Everyone laid on the floor with eyes closed and we were supposed to make vocal sounds imitating other sounds that we heard.

Tim Ellison, Friday, 25 June 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Pauline came to oberlin in 96 or so(a year before she came on staff as a composition professor for a bit) and did the same thing. It was an extended excersize where you're supposed to breathe deep and sing a tone, then try to match a tone someone else was singing then try to sing a tone nobody else was singing. It ends...when it ends. At Oberlin it took 40 minutes and there were other parts as well, some very interesting rituals of sorts. Recently she did the same thing at Town Hall for the Kitchen benefit(there's a thread about that, w/ Glass, Reich, Ashley, Monk and Anderson) and it lasted 10 minutes. I didn't think it would work there but it was pretty amazing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Julio, I thought Eno's ambient music was music that you didn't necessarily have to listen to at all (a la Satie: "Can't you talk?!"). I think deep listening would kind of be the opposite in intention, even if it sounds similar.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 26 June 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

(Maybe that was during an intermission though. I forget my Cage stories now.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 26 June 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

The Satie Musique d'ameublement performance WAS a group playing during an intermission of...a play, I think.

Tim Ellison, Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Alien Bog / Beautiful Soop is pretty great. That Deep Listening stuff creeps me out a bit tho

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 June 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link

of all the pretension pioneers of the American avant-garde, she's probably the least stuffy. her performances/ workshops are the most engaging. (i'm comparing her primarily with Glass and Reich)

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 26 June 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Minexcio Connection collaboration with Reynols is good stuff, says me.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 26 June 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

pauline oliveros = YODA obv

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i meant 'pretentious' rather than 'pretension'

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

gareth: that one with Dempster and Panaiotis is the first Deep Listening Band record, so stay on course with them: my favorite DLB record is 'Non Stop Flight', a live concert with an expanded band of Mills students; the first 25 minutes wanders a bit but locks in on track 6 with an extended 50 minute acoustic expanding drone, a real good one.

The one that's most like the first is 'Ready Made Boomerang', same lineup, same 45-second water cistern reverb. That lineup also recorded 'Troglodyte's Delight' in a cave filled with waterdrops dripping into deep pools, and the way the acoustic instruments rise out of the sounds & gradually go electronic is definitely worth hearing.

Her solo recordings can be roughly grouped into two: the 60's electronic tape-music improvisations, and the later works for solo microtonal accordion.

The tape music pieces range from huge slabs of drone to wild oscillator freak-outs, all manipulated with multiple tape delay & decay systems running in parallel, to build & layer her sounds in real time. I'd start with 'Electronic Works' on Paradigm: 'I of IV', 'Big Mother Is Watching You' & 'Bye Bye Butterfly'. I also like 'Alien Bog / Beautiful Soop', more diffuse. I never got into 'No Mo' as much as the previous two, not that it's bad music.

Recent stuff replaces the oscillators with her specially designed microtonal accordion stuff, which she plays into a range of digital delays, recently Max/MSP. The accordion produces flurries, air sounds, and bizarre sustained drones. Microtonal music can be an acquired taste, these are not soothing drones, they are drones that wake you up.

My favorite record of hers is 'Roots of the Moment'. Solo accordion, live recording. Moves through the flurries to some queasy landscapes to finally arrive in the last twenty minutes at an incredible mammoth chord that's simultaneously rock solid and skittering all over the place. Not pretty like Palestine's 'Strumming Music' but if you like La Monte Young or 'Four Violins' you need this record.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

>Not pretty

I mean 'pretty' here in the light sense; 'Roots of the Moment' is an incredibly beautiful piece of music.

One more reference point for it's conclusion is James Tenney's 'Critical Band'.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I love you Milton.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel like I should apologize

& one last recommendation if you like 'Deep Listening': seek out Stuart Dempster's 'Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel', where he returns to the water cistern with 9 other trombone students following his lead, mirroring his notes. From the 'Deep Listening' record you can pretty much imagine what this one sounds like.

(Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
listening right now to electronic works on the paradigm label. its really great. ill have to try out some of the deep listening stuff...

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a Deep Listening album - I've listened to it once and not very deeply I'm ashamed to admit

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

... it's called "Suspended Music"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i've seen Pauline perform once or twice (amazing) and took a deep listening workshop with her (just for a night, but REALLY amazing), but i find listening to her records a bit of a bore in most cases

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

>"Suspended Music"

with Ellen Fullman. Not too big on that one as an album, though it sounds like it could have been a great concert. Ken's right, her music often loses a great deal in recorded form.

can't lose with these though:
Oliveros / Dempster / Panaiotis - Deep Listening
Deep Listening Band - Non Stop Flight
Oliveros - Roots of the Moment
Oliveros - Electronic Works

(Jon L), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

...is a very nice lady

Russ (Russ), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

She is! And brilliant and profoundly influential on my own thinking about music and playing and writing. I recently played "Six for New Time" with some other Yorkies. It was a great experience to work on that. Challenging and fun and it really forces you to listen carefully. The score is wonderful - a model of how to create an attractive and inviting open graphic score that still clearly explains everything the performer needs to do in simple language and concise form. Strikes just the right balance between leaving you room to play something different and give the piece variety and actually providing you with guidelines and a compositional structure you can work in.

Her ideas about breaking down performer/composer/listener boundaries, about deep listening, about interaction between performers, about music as therapeutic process are all things I've found really valuable.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i should take that back... it's not a 'bore' per se... it's just that her compositions are SO site-specific and make use of such complex sound systems (the octophonic system she used in detroit just destroyed me in the best way possible) that listening to a 2-channel CD recording of them does the performances a complete and total disservice

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.deeplistening.org/dlc/65olive.html#soop

i think that piece of equipment is familiar. (nudging gygax!.)

m.

msp (msp), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link

haha,

scroll down (the pic links don't work anymore):

New Buchla analogue synthesiser modules!!!!!!!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel awfully wrong doing this but i just can't help it...

http://gnv.fdt.net/~christys/light/oliveros.html

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

are you threatened by the sexuality of women, ken?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

or just their magic batons?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

that web page embodies everything that was wrong with web design in 1995.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link

if anything i was threatened by the weird lasers n shit going on in the background.. Disco Nihilist OTM

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i guess what i felt awful about, though, was that that pic just might completely offset the praises that we've been singing about pauline on this thread

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oliveros: "when I was young I had a red courdouy hat"

(loud offscreen noise interrupts her, long pause)

Ashley: "that means you're telling the truth"

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

corduroy

episode five

start there

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ubu.com/sound/aether.html

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
i like the deep listening album a lot, what should i get next?

terry lennox. (gareth), Sunday, 1 January 2006 10:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't heard Deep Listening, but my fave Oliveros album is "Pieces For Accordion & Voice."

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 1 January 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I would go with Milton's recommendation upthread and hunt out "Roots Of The Moment". Good stuff.

sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 1 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

deep listening band's 'non-stop flight'
stuart dempster's 'underground overlays from the cistern chapel'

eva, Monday, 2 January 2006 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Wow, just WOW.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

to which one? get the dempster ones too

600, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Mostly Crone Music, but also Electronic Works and Deep Listening. It's all amazing.

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ready Made Boomerang is my favourite but yeah it's all amazing (apart from that Unquenchable Fire thing w/ Joe McPhee which sucks).

jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Roots of the Moment was reissued last year, and it's probably on amazon

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=22230

Milton Parker, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i did a deep listening workshop in glasgow with Pauline O about 18 months ago. she's an incredible, inspirational woman.

jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn

Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

"A most important discovery and major influence on my work came in 1958. This discovery came with the aid of technology; I simply put a microphone in my window and recorded the sound environment until the tape ran off the reel. When I replayed the tape, I realized that although I had been listening carefully while I recorded, I had not heard all of the sounds on the tape."
The microphone did not selectively "listen" to sounds as she did, but rather documented the entire sonic environment. From that day on Oliveros decided to work toward refining and expanding her awareness of what she termed the total "sound field".

from the box's David Bernstein essay

Milton Parker, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

yeah this box

I think the thing that really hits me most about it is how it's not only vintage, but all recorded in real time. Back in the 60's electronic music was still not really being conceived of by anyone, let alone 95% of its practitioners, as a medium for live performance. Audiences had no idea of how the sounds were realized, they just emerged intact on the tapes, and even the composers who you could imagine spending hours rocking out with an oscillator & reel to reel tape delay were hesitant to 'compose' any such pieces for performance, in the age of serialism everyone had to have everything meticulously scored out in advance.

So a 12CD box of pure uninterrupted live takes is kind of a revelation -- a couple of these pieces are perhaps a little tentative and there's a little bit of feeling around but the level of quality is so unbelievably high that these all do go down as early proof-of-concepts for electronic music as a live performance discipline.

Retail price is much much much higher than when you order it direct, but... still worth it

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

& yes as Owen said the 2 CDs worth of extra 'Bog' pieces from the Mills Tape Music Center, where she wires up the Buchla to engage in Frog & Insect concertos with the wildlife singing loudly in the pond outside the studio... those are particularly amazing (I think they're even deeper than Beautiful Soop/Alien Bog), but discs 2-4 with the early Mnemonics and all the alternate takes of the X of IV series are the ones I've been playing the most

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

Only semi-related, anyone heard that whole C.C. Hennix album the same label put out? Sample sounds good.

― nobody gives a shit about the githzerai (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:17 AM

'electric harpsichord'? its one 25min piece, on the ominous discordant side of drone

am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

Haven't cracked the Hennix just yet, only heard about her a couple weeks ago (?!)

is capybara gay? (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

ubu web has a 3hr long dutch radio broadcast of c.c. hennix that is def worth grabbing (when their servers get back up)

am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

talked about here - Catherine Christer Hennix

am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

That Hennix is wonderful

sarahell, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

n e one ever attended pauline's "college"

http://deeplistening.org/site/content/certificate-program

am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

an ex of mine did, she loved it. I don't remember much of her descriptions other than lying on the floor with her eyes closed listening to various things Oliveros would play them.

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

i took part in a full day programme with her when she was in glasgow a few years back. it involved waking up the body, learning how to walk slowly, learning how to sing slowly, walking and singing slowly (simultaneously) and, to be honest, it was.... really really beautiful. an amazing experience and she's an inspirational woman.

jed_, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link

Only semi-related, anyone heard that whole C.C. Hennix album the same label put out? Sample sounds good.

― nobody gives a shit about the githzerai (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:17 AM

I think he's asking about the new one, Chora(s)san Time-court Mirage: http://importantrecords.com/imprec/imprec354

I like it a lot; a long single piece very much in the vein of La Monte Young's "Map of 49's Dream", sharing the same sine wave major chord drone + sustained brass chords + alap vocal singing over the top. It's got slightly more forward motion than the Young piece. Doesn't come on as instantly as "49's Dream" or "Harpsichord" but if you like those two you definitely want this

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link

o sweet, i want to hear that

here's the 3 hr radio thing - http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/hennix_cc/Hennix-CC_Dutch-National-Radio_2005.mp3

some pauline stuff there too - http://www.ubu.com/sound/oliveros.html

am0n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

heads up bay area: http://musicnow.mills.edu/concert3.php

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link

yeah! i will be there.

geeta, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.citypages.com/2012-12-26/arts/2012-artists-of-the-year/

See page 7.

Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 December 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://monoskop.org/log/?p=6568

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

12 cd box set of "early and unreleased electronic work" anyone?

http://boomkat.com/cds/1046954-pauline-oliveros-reverberations-tape-electronic-music-1961-1970-reissue

(oh, was out in 2012, now repressed along with a couple of others - The Wanderer, Accordion and Voice)

koogs, Friday, 5 September 2014 10:14 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

She posts my favorite kitten and bunny videos on Facebook.

warning, #4 can't be unseen (WilliamC), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link

deep kittening

grayson m'razz (wins), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link

kitten cistern

j., Sunday, 12 October 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

hearing reports that Pauline Oliveros died on Thanksgiving :(

Dominique, Friday, 25 November 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link

RIP Pauline ;_;

So happy I got to see her perform last year.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 25 November 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link

I did a deep listening workshop with her and then saw her perform around a decade ago. She was an amazing unique beauty. RIP.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 25 November 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link

she casually gave me incredible advice at key points in my development; knowledge just kind of came up out of her.

and she was more lucid and healthy looking every year I saw her, this just seems impossible & I wouldn't believe this news… if it weren't 2016

love

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link

aw no. i've been following her on Facebook for a good while now and she has always been a treat. love her music and love her attentiveness to sound. RIP Pauline

brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link

yeah when she got into Second Life, her online presence really became a particularly surreal treat

https://monoskop.org/images/2/29/Oliveros_Pauline_Software_for_People_Collected_Writings_1963-80.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QHfOuRrJB8

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link

:( RIP

hero

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link

Ah jeez, RIP.

Her workshop and performance at Big Ears #1 were so important to me -- really changed my head, my perception of music, my perception of perception.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:39 (seven years ago) link

Oh, 2016. I can't even start to process this one.

sleeve, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMCTxkFwLHw

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link

Saw her at the Vancouver Art Gallery in 2008 - everyone sitting on the floor, tranquil beauty straight to the skull. RIP.

Ross, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link

video for tonight = pauline's interview / increasingly invasive beauty makeover from robert ashley's 'music with roots in the aether'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuDG1ijMPiw&list=PLNOvB4KfnCVvYM1wHIKac_VOr6m371xA7&index=5

Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link

Listening to I of IV now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLSFRmmTTjo

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link

I've been thinking today about her ideas and techniques and how they relate to feminism and traditional gender socialization. Namely, the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience.

sarahell, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link

:-(

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:15 (seven years ago) link

RIP :/

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrJ4pNqDNc

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link

RIP, she made some seriously powerful music.

tylerw, Monday, 28 November 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link

the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience

not to diss Pauline but these are not her ideas, they are pretty fundamental tenets of group improvisation

RIP

heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

https://frieze.com/article/pauline-oliveros-1932-2016

Pleasant piece.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

Interesting radio programme on BBC Radio 4 tonight which was about 50% interviews with Pauline Oliveros - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083n4sc

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link

three years pass...

reissue alert (or first vinyl issue alert I guess): https://importantrecords.com/products/oliveros-dempster-panaiotis-deep-listening-band-2lp

I just discovered this album recently and found it completely absorbing.

The Troops™ (jamescobo), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link

yes, i love that one.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link

i nearly bought that today but the shippimng just made it too much. Hopefully copies will make it over here shortly.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link

That record is all time

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link

And mortality sucks :(

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

xps that's my favorite release of hers by quite a ways, absolutely essential

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

I can't get enough of this at the moment (along with Radigue). The Deep Listening album is just stupendous and from there I'm tending to go straight to Stuart Dempster's solo stuff: In the Great Abbey of St. Clement and Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel. It's answering a need I can't quite define.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 6 September 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link


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