― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link
Gonna have to get round some of her 'deep listening' stuff someday. Can anyone tell me what's the distinction between that and ambient as defined by eno et al (if any)?
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link
she is having a deep listening retreat next week.
she sat next to me at a TFUL282 show about 6 years ago.
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link
She's a total hippy as far as avant-garde composers are concerned.
While she's mostly known for the more meditative deep listening related pieces, she's composed some really cool more intense/rhythmic/minimalist type stuff, like on The Wanderer LP on Lovely Music, which is scored for an accordian marching band/symphony or something and rocks thoroughly.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 25 June 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Friday, 25 June 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 25 June 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 26 June 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Tim Ellison, Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 26 June 2004 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 26 June 2004 05:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 26 June 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 26 June 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Saturday, 26 June 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link
The one that's most like the first is 'Ready Made Boomerang', same lineup, same 45-second water cistern reverb. That lineup also recorded 'Troglodyte's Delight' in a cave filled with waterdrops dripping into deep pools, and the way the acoustic instruments rise out of the sounds & gradually go electronic is definitely worth hearing.
Her solo recordings can be roughly grouped into two: the 60's electronic tape-music improvisations, and the later works for solo microtonal accordion.
The tape music pieces range from huge slabs of drone to wild oscillator freak-outs, all manipulated with multiple tape delay & decay systems running in parallel, to build & layer her sounds in real time. I'd start with 'Electronic Works' on Paradigm: 'I of IV', 'Big Mother Is Watching You' & 'Bye Bye Butterfly'. I also like 'Alien Bog / Beautiful Soop', more diffuse. I never got into 'No Mo' as much as the previous two, not that it's bad music.
Recent stuff replaces the oscillators with her specially designed microtonal accordion stuff, which she plays into a range of digital delays, recently Max/MSP. The accordion produces flurries, air sounds, and bizarre sustained drones. Microtonal music can be an acquired taste, these are not soothing drones, they are drones that wake you up.
My favorite record of hers is 'Roots of the Moment'. Solo accordion, live recording. Moves through the flurries to some queasy landscapes to finally arrive in the last twenty minutes at an incredible mammoth chord that's simultaneously rock solid and skittering all over the place. Not pretty like Palestine's 'Strumming Music' but if you like La Monte Young or 'Four Violins' you need this record.
― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I mean 'pretty' here in the light sense; 'Roots of the Moment' is an incredibly beautiful piece of music.
One more reference point for it's conclusion is James Tenney's 'Critical Band'.
― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian c=====8 (orion), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link
& one last recommendation if you like 'Deep Listening': seek out Stuart Dempster's 'Underground Overlays From The Cistern Chapel', where he returns to the water cistern with 9 other trombone students following his lead, mirroring his notes. From the 'Deep Listening' record you can pretty much imagine what this one sounds like.
― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
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― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
with Ellen Fullman. Not too big on that one as an album, though it sounds like it could have been a great concert. Ken's right, her music often loses a great deal in recorded form.
can't lose with these though:Oliveros / Dempster / Panaiotis - Deep ListeningDeep Listening Band - Non Stop FlightOliveros - Roots of the MomentOliveros - Electronic Works
― (Jon L), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― Russ (Russ), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link
Her ideas about breaking down performer/composer/listener boundaries, about deep listening, about interaction between performers, about music as therapeutic process are all things I've found really valuable.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
i think that piece of equipment is familiar. (nudging gygax!.)
m.
― msp (msp), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:04 (nineteen years ago) link
scroll down (the pic links don't work anymore):
New Buchla analogue synthesiser modules!!!!!!!
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link
http://gnv.fdt.net/~christys/light/oliveros.html
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link
(loud offscreen noise interrupts her, long pause)
Ashley: "that means you're telling the truth"
― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 17 September 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link
episode five
start there
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― Milton Parker, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Damn
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
"A most important discovery and major influence on my work came in 1958. This discovery came with the aid of technology; I simply put a microphone in my window and recorded the sound environment until the tape ran off the reel. When I replayed the tape, I realized that although I had been listening carefully while I recorded, I had not heard all of the sounds on the tape."The microphone did not selectively "listen" to sounds as she did, but rather documented the entire sonic environment. From that day on Oliveros decided to work toward refining and expanding her awareness of what she termed the total "sound field".
from the box's David Bernstein essay
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 31 May 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah this box
I think the thing that really hits me most about it is how it's not only vintage, but all recorded in real time. Back in the 60's electronic music was still not really being conceived of by anyone, let alone 95% of its practitioners, as a medium for live performance. Audiences had no idea of how the sounds were realized, they just emerged intact on the tapes, and even the composers who you could imagine spending hours rocking out with an oscillator & reel to reel tape delay were hesitant to 'compose' any such pieces for performance, in the age of serialism everyone had to have everything meticulously scored out in advance.
So a 12CD box of pure uninterrupted live takes is kind of a revelation -- a couple of these pieces are perhaps a little tentative and there's a little bit of feeling around but the level of quality is so unbelievably high that these all do go down as early proof-of-concepts for electronic music as a live performance discipline.
Retail price is much much much higher than when you order it direct, but... still worth it
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
& yes as Owen said the 2 CDs worth of extra 'Bog' pieces from the Mills Tape Music Center, where she wires up the Buchla to engage in Frog & Insect concertos with the wildlife singing loudly in the pond outside the studio... those are particularly amazing (I think they're even deeper than Beautiful Soop/Alien Bog), but discs 2-4 with the early Mnemonics and all the alternate takes of the X of IV series are the ones I've been playing the most
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Only semi-related, anyone heard that whole C.C. Hennix album the same label put out? Sample sounds good.
― nobody gives a shit about the githzerai (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:17 AM
'electric harpsichord'? its one 25min piece, on the ominous discordant side of drone
― am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't cracked the Hennix just yet, only heard about her a couple weeks ago (?!)
― is capybara gay? (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
ubu web has a 3hr long dutch radio broadcast of c.c. hennix that is def worth grabbing (when their servers get back up)
― am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
talked about here - Catherine Christer Hennix
― am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
That Hennix is wonderful
― sarahell, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
n e one ever attended pauline's "college"
http://deeplistening.org/site/content/certificate-program
― am0n, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
an ex of mine did, she loved it. I don't remember much of her descriptions other than lying on the floor with her eyes closed listening to various things Oliveros would play them.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
i took part in a full day programme with her when she was in glasgow a few years back. it involved waking up the body, learning how to walk slowly, learning how to sing slowly, walking and singing slowly (simultaneously) and, to be honest, it was.... really really beautiful. an amazing experience and she's an inspirational woman.
― jed_, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
I think he's asking about the new one, Chora(s)san Time-court Mirage: http://importantrecords.com/imprec/imprec354
I like it a lot; a long single piece very much in the vein of La Monte Young's "Map of 49's Dream", sharing the same sine wave major chord drone + sustained brass chords + alap vocal singing over the top. It's got slightly more forward motion than the Young piece. Doesn't come on as instantly as "49's Dream" or "Harpsichord" but if you like those two you definitely want this
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
o sweet, i want to hear that
here's the 3 hr radio thing - http://ubumexico.centro.org.mx/sound/hennix_cc/Hennix-CC_Dutch-National-Radio_2005.mp3
some pauline stuff there too - http://www.ubu.com/sound/oliveros.html
― am0n, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
heads up bay area: http://musicnow.mills.edu/concert3.php
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah! i will be there.
― geeta, Wednesday, 3 October 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.citypages.com/2012-12-26/arts/2012-artists-of-the-year/
See page 7.
― Raymond Cummings, Thursday, 27 December 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://monoskop.org/log/?p=6568
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
12 cd box set of "early and unreleased electronic work" anyone?
http://boomkat.com/cds/1046954-pauline-oliveros-reverberations-tape-electronic-music-1961-1970-reissue
(oh, was out in 2012, now repressed along with a couple of others - The Wanderer, Accordion and Voice)
― koogs, Friday, 5 September 2014 10:14 (nine years ago) link
She posts my favorite kitten and bunny videos on Facebook.
― warning, #4 can't be unseen (WilliamC), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link
deep kittening
― grayson m'razz (wins), Saturday, 11 October 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link
kitten cistern
― j., Sunday, 12 October 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
hearing reports that Pauline Oliveros died on Thanksgiving :(
― Dominique, Friday, 25 November 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
RIP Pauline ;_;
So happy I got to see her perform last year.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 25 November 2016 22:44 (seven years ago) link
I did a deep listening workshop with her and then saw her perform around a decade ago. She was an amazing unique beauty. RIP.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 25 November 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
she casually gave me incredible advice at key points in my development; knowledge just kind of came up out of her.
and she was more lucid and healthy looking every year I saw her, this just seems impossible & I wouldn't believe this news… if it weren't 2016
love
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
aw no. i've been following her on Facebook for a good while now and she has always been a treat. love her music and love her attentiveness to sound. RIP Pauline
― brex yourself before you wrex yourself (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
yeah when she got into Second Life, her online presence really became a particularly surreal treat
https://monoskop.org/images/2/29/Oliveros_Pauline_Software_for_People_Collected_Writings_1963-80.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QHfOuRrJB8
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:09 (seven years ago) link
:( RIP
hero
― a but (brimstead), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:18 (seven years ago) link
Ah jeez, RIP.
Her workshop and performance at Big Ears #1 were so important to me -- really changed my head, my perception of music, my perception of perception.
― aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:39 (seven years ago) link
Oh, 2016. I can't even start to process this one.
― sleeve, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMCTxkFwLHw
― flappy bird, Saturday, 26 November 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
Saw her at the Vancouver Art Gallery in 2008 - everyone sitting on the floor, tranquil beauty straight to the skull. RIP.
― Ross, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
video for tonight = pauline's interview / increasingly invasive beauty makeover from robert ashley's 'music with roots in the aether'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuDG1ijMPiw&list=PLNOvB4KfnCVvYM1wHIKac_VOr6m371xA7&index=5
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:41 (seven years ago) link
Listening to I of IV now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLSFRmmTTjo
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link
I've been thinking today about her ideas and techniques and how they relate to feminism and traditional gender socialization. Namely, the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience.
― sarahell, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link
:-(
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:15 (seven years ago) link
RIP :/
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJrJ4pNqDNc
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Saturday, 26 November 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
RIP, she made some seriously powerful music.
― tylerw, Monday, 28 November 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
the idea that as a musician you should listen to the other musicians, or as a performer that you should be attentive to the audience
not to diss Pauline but these are not her ideas, they are pretty fundamental tenets of group improvisation
RIP
― heaven parker (anagram), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
https://frieze.com/article/pauline-oliveros-1932-2016
Pleasant piece.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 3 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
Interesting radio programme on BBC Radio 4 tonight which was about 50% interviews with Pauline Oliveros - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b083n4sc
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
reissue alert (or first vinyl issue alert I guess): https://importantrecords.com/products/oliveros-dempster-panaiotis-deep-listening-band-2lp
I just discovered this album recently and found it completely absorbing.
― The Troops™ (jamescobo), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link
yes, i love that one.
― Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
i nearly bought that today but the shippimng just made it too much. Hopefully copies will make it over here shortly.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 00:40 (four years ago) link
That record is all time
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
And mortality sucks :(
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
xps that's my favorite release of hers by quite a ways, absolutely essential
― sleeve, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
I can't get enough of this at the moment (along with Radigue). The Deep Listening album is just stupendous and from there I'm tending to go straight to Stuart Dempster's solo stuff: In the Great Abbey of St. Clement and Underground Overlays from the Cistern Chapel. It's answering a need I can't quite define.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 6 September 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link