who is/are the Joy Division of country music?

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― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is the Front 242 of Polka?
Who is the GG Allin of Smooth Jazz?
Who is the Napalm Death of Zydeco?

― trashmaster (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Iron Maiden the Ramones of prog?

(I was and remain perfectly serious on this point.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is the Throbbing Gristle of bluegrass?

― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

If you actually took the time to think about what this question implies this could be an interesting thread.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Insert your who is the John Foxx of Norteno ARF ARF ARF answers here

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The Whitehouse of Ska?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

the merzbow of tweepop

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

lee hazelwood has a pretty low voice?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Flying Burrito Brothers! Next?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

American Recordings era Johnny Cash duh

― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The Derek Bailey of Happy Hardcore

― Fuck You, Yamantaka Eye (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

The Derek Bailey of Happy Hardcore

that is so obviously DJ PICA PICA PICA

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Who is the GG Allin of Smooth Jazz?

MICHAEL FRANKS! (see "popsicle toes")

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Iron Maiden the Ramones of prog?
(I was and remain perfectly serious on this point.)

And you're perfectly right, Ned.

― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

though i'm not entirely sure what the question is, i believe the answer is the louvin brothers.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hank Williams? Brought lyrics that dealt explicitly with depression and despair to a music previously known for fairly ephemeral sentiments, died young, posthumously defied after his death (despite being, by some accounts, a bit of a nasty fucker while alive).

The correct answer, though, is that there is no Joy Division of country music.

― Jason J, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Brought lyrics that dealt explicitly with depression and despair to a music previously known for fairly ephemeral sentiments

not quite. country/hillbilly/whatever-you-want-to-call-it music was loaded with depression and despair long before hank got there.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

and if the carter family's sentiments were ephemeral, then i'm brad pitt.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i picked the louvins, by the way, because there was a certain droning (in a good way) quality to their close harmonies, and because they thought tragic songs of life was a good album title (which of course it was) and because they believed satan is real, and because the genius died young. but that was a dumb-ass answer, too.

the question we all must ask ourselves is, who are the new order of country music? because only then can we be sure who the joy division are.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

chris gaines.

― Cripps Pink (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

In terms of checking himself out on the cusp of huge stardom: Mel Street, RIP.

― briania (briania), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

16 Horsepower you fools.

― Avi (Avi), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Are Iron Maiden the Ramones of prog?

(I was and remain perfectly serious on this point.)

Yay! I love that thread!!!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Townes Van Zandt

― Bren (Bren), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Tracy Lawrence

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

gary stewart

― the possum, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Charley Pride

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Townes for sure. At least Hank had some upbeat numbers.
Actually, listen to the Townes live albums and you discover he's full of jokes and banter.
What about the Louvin Brothers? Grim man.

― Stew S, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the merzbow of tweepop

Steward.

― Xii (Xii), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

16 Horsepower seconded

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

TVZ 2nded

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

emmylou harris

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

what about johnny cash:the deathbed years?

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

16hp^3

― skowly (skowly), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Depends, surely, on whether or not to acknowledge the Death Legacy of Curtis. If so: surely, Townes. If not: the Mekons.

― Acme (acme), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

dammit i was going to say mekons but i don't know their music well enough to be sure

handsome family? ummm, no.

― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 30 September 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

If you look at Joy Divisions place in the rock contiuum, they were a band that worked with a specific producer that gave them a very unique ideosyncratic sonic vernacular that was eventually adopted by a number of bands and has a continued influence today.

One parallel that I would draw would be Sun Records and their Million Dollar Quartet era roster. With Sam Phillips as a combo Martin Hannett/Tony Wilson, Sun records and Memphis VS Nashville and their record industry as a distant underdog label/city like Manchester and Factory were to London and London Punk. Jerry Lee Lewis being the act the had a JD/NO carrier split after the scandal with his cousin early rocknroll/country music. Johnny Cash would also fit into this but you are fucking david allen because Cash's biggest influence was post-Sun(we was an also ran during the sun years) on Columbia where his minimalist guitar arrangements and sparse drum sound would change the face of commercial Nashville counrty. See paralelle with Martin Hannetts use of primitive Digital Delay for Steve Morris Drum sound, Unknown Pleasures was all about vicious EQ, slap back digital delay(which would also become a nashville staple drum sound in the 1980's) and heavy room reverb. Perhaps I am full of shit but it is an interesting direction to pursue in the name of a record collection.

I never gave country much of a chance and in the last few weeks I have been listening to old Jerry Lee Lewis post-scandal Sun-era country records, Sun-era Elvis, Johnny Cash on Columbia, Gene Vincent, and Hank Williams. I cannot get enough of the stuff right now, I've listened to first Disc of the Hank Williams twice a day for the last week, and I haven't been this obsessive about a particular disc since JD's Still in Highschool. I am not looking specifically for post-punk country or something like that. I am more interested in people bringing up parallel music lineages that I might not be aware of, and label scenes that I should look into. It is so interesting because I have just scratched the surface and there is so much music that I know I am not even aware of. Labels that had really odd production values that were outside of the typical boundaries of their contemporaries. I just need to discover the 1958 reverb drenched and tape delay madness record that is the missing link between Rockabilly and Dub Reggae. I know it is out there, and I am going to dig it up.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

PORTER WAGONER IS THE JOY DIVISION OF COUNTRY MUSIC

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

In all seriousness, If I am looking for old 40-60's reverb drenched country where should I be looking?
― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Start with Ray Price, "Night Life" . Reverb out the ass. I also believe it was the first hit record to be covered in pedal steel.

― child, Thursday, 30 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

eleven years pass...

I just need to discover the 1958 reverb drenched and tape delay madness record that is the missing link between Rockabilly and Dub Reggae. I know it is out there, and I am going to dig it up.
― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 30 September 2004 02:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

... and that was the last we ever heard of Disco Nihilist, until the day K___ at the record store received an email blast via listserv, with a hot tip about an estate auction going down in [Disco Nihilist's hometown]

― Songs from a One Room House in an Uninteresting Location (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:35 (ten years ago)

Disco Nihilist: Name Your Reasons Why They Is So Bad And Hated.

― viborg, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:18 (ten years ago)

Seriously, didn't that guy release some pretty strong disco/house tracks a few years back? Or am I thinking of someone else.

― viborg, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 11:19 (ten years ago)

I actually have no idea who that poster is, or what their other contributions to this board or the world at large may be; I was just amused by this thread, and the note of obsessive questing on which it concluded.

― Songs from a One Room House in an Uninteresting Location (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 12:35 (ten years ago)

It's a 2015 record and it's by Mbongwanastar.

― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 13:07 (ten years ago)

Dale Hawkins, The Hawk Walks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-BskSzeToQ

― juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 14:15 (ten years ago)

Sunny Sweeny

― beamish13, Monday, 12 October 2015 04:01 (ten years ago)

Hank Williams probably works but the analogy probably works better the other way around.

Magic Sam might be the Ian Curtis of Chicago Blues as you got the reverb, you got the pain and you got the tragic death.

― earlnash, Monday, 12 October 2015 05:00 (ten years ago)

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