Classic or Dud: Eleventh Dream Day

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Anyone have an opinion on them?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them at late, not-especially-lamented Woody's in the East Village. They were fine.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

never lived up to their potential. couple great songs on a couple decent albums. i lean towards dud.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

El Moodio was one of the very best alt-country records of the genre's heyday, by a band that never seemed to be pigeonholed alt-country.

southern lights (southern lights), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

their second album, "beet", is an undeniable classic, and the third (can't recall the title off the top of my head) is pretty great as well. saw them live once in cleveland. it was the second best live show i saw that year, with the pixies being the best.

mohair (jon kapper), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked El Moodio a lot. Freakwater, not so much.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Owned Beet and Lived To Tell back when they were new, and they sounded OK, but not memorable enough for me to seek out their other records, or to play those two in the past 10 years. "Baghdad's Last Ride" and a few other songs are enjoyable. And making "ZZ Top's Greatest Hits" visible in the photo on their first LP cover was a cool move by virtue of being so UN-cool at the time.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"makin like a rug" (or whatever it's called) is a neat tune. and eighth is a decent enough record..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 11 October 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Eighth is my least favorite. The Chicago post rock infected album.

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 11 October 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought a t-shirt at that afore-mentioned show at Woody's. They were on their tour to support Beet (the t-shirt design made odd allusions to Physical Graffitti by Zep). In all the years I wore it (it's since been given to the Salvation Army), no one ever said: "Dude, great band!" or "they ROCKED!" or other similar sentiments. They never really connected, it seems.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

That all said, by no means am I implying that all artists should be judged solely by their t-shirt recognition factor.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this why my jandek t-shirt doesn't help me get laid?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahhahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Ya gotta love a woman named "Beveridge."

nickn (nickn), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I liked them well enough in their day, but I don't think I would feel deprived if I never heard them again, so minor classic.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

"Frank had a plan, he had a master plan..."

That could've been on the "Great First Lines of Great Albums" thread.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

my favourite: prairie school guitar freakout is excellent noisy indie guitar rock with roots. neil young plus uncle tupelo plus sonic youth plus a grain of pavement.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Prairie School Freakout and Lived To Tell are complete and total slept-on classics. Beach Miner (from the former) is one of the saddest songs I know.

There's an overwhelming past tense being used here. They didn't actually split up, or did they?

DJ Mencap0))), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 08:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. No, they haven't split up (thought Rick and Janet have, personally). They still play a couple of times a year. One of the best shows I ever saw was back in the summer of ... '94? 1994, I think. EDD was going through a phase as a trio where they would have guest guitarists sit in for one-off shows, and this Lounge Ax show had Ira Kaplan on second guitar. And it ... was ... awesome.

I've seen several similar shows since then. Fave albums include "Prarie School Freakout," "Ursa Major," "Lived to Tell," "El Moodio," and their last one. They were definitely among the first (only?) indie-rock bands to pair that sort of primal Neil Young guitar mentality with punk. As shockingly simple as that seems, I haven't heard any other band quite like Eleventh Dream Day.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yo la tengo in their noisy rock phase may i sing with me are not too far off from edd. i recently bought uncle tupelo's no depression. it is very good and more punk than you would the grand-father of alt-country expect. both bands are from around chicago and started in the late eighties, no? i wonder who influenced whom.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Remind me of stuff like True West and Russ Tolman and earlier Giant Sand and lots of those desert rock type people. Beet and Lived to Tell are both fine, would love to hear the first one sometime. Stalled Parade was the last one of theirs I picked up, and it's decent enough, but the title track that opens it is an absolute towering MONSTER. Got that Rick Rizzo/Tara Key collab around somewhere too, maybe I should dig that out for another listen.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I like them but for whatever reason I've never owned an album. I've heard just about all of them, though, except for Prarie School Freakout and whatever the newest one is called. I'd especially like to hear that first one.

Yo La Tengo is a pretty good comparison. And actually as with that band, my favorite Eleventh Dream Day stuff is far and away the tracks where they stretch out, get a little psychedelic. Like there's this great track on El Moodio, "Honeyslide", which is in that vein. I never cared too much Yo La Tengo but I dug stuff like "The Evil That Men Do" and, as Alex mentions, their more spaced-out stuff as on May I Sing With Me. When either band is churning out more generic rock is where they lose me. I thought Ursa Major was a pretty good, low-key album. That big, long atmospheric track which opens up Eighth, that's good. I'll disagree with jack in that the Chicago post-rock thing probably did them some good, gave them some new ideas to play with.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
OMG WTF "Honeyslide" YES WOW! The rest of that El Moodio album is fucking great too. "Murder" is particularly good, but hell this thing doesnt really seem to tail off anywhere. Just been wandering round my kitchen grinning madly at the goodness of it all. Listened to it late into the night yesterday and then woke up early this morning and started huffing on it all over again. Damn damn damn. One of those albums thats really hitting the spot with me right now. Why didnt I check this out sooner? Not wildly original or anything, but so damn solid and spot-on perfect in places that it really sort of makes me giddy.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I may seek that out then. ... I always liked Beet, and I still get excited when it comes on ...especially Teenage Pin Queen.. Lived to Tell hardly did anything for me, so I never sought out any more Eleventh Dream Day...

I always compared them to the Dream Syndicate and/or Christmas.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually forgot I saw them once until reading this thread, and want to check them out again...

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
"bottles got emptied and bottles got broke
you tried to get her to stay..."

Revive, y'all.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Criminally slept on. I first saw them as a birthday present from my parents. They played a Lounge Ax benefit with YLT (and I was really into them at the time), so my whole family trudged along with me to see YLT, EDD, Red Red Meat and a couple other bands that I've forgotten. Soon after that, bought Eighth and put "Two Smart Cookies" on more than a few mixtapes.
A year or two later, a friend and I took a road trip across the country to California, and we ended up in some shitty bodega in San Diego that had a bin full of albums for a quarter each. I saw "Lived to Tell," remembered that I liked them, and took a chance. Great album, from Rose of Jericho on out.

js (honestengine), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
has anyone heard their new album?

mr. jimmerson, Friday, 31 March 2006 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i have, i like it.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I opened this thread hoping it was a post about a new album. That is great news!

mcd (mcd), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Songs are streaming at the Thrill Jockey site. Good stuff so far.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The new album sounds like "Eighth", but much more focused and with a bit more creativity.
Eighth was good - so this one should be great.
impressions from 1st listen though...

without lines, Friday, 31 March 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

It's good, the most punky thing they've done in a fair while

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Huh:

Comedy Minus One’s next project is an album from one of our all-time favorite bands, Chicago’s Eleventh Dream Day. We will be releasing the record “New Moodio” (cmo025) on May 14th, 2013 in as a limited run of 500 LPs.

If the title “New Moodio” sounds slightly familiar, it should. “New Moodio” is Eleventh Dream Day’s “lost record,” a parallel world version of 1993′s “El Moodio.” It is also the snapshot of a band at its peak.

Recorded and mixed in just a few days with Brad Wood in the fall of 1991, there is an urgency and excitement that courses through these songs played by a band empowered by freedom and possibility.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

El Moodio rules. That's hardly some messed up by major label fiddling album, so I'm curious about this.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

Ditto. And wasn't Moodio recorded after Atlantic forgave the band's debt to the label?

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

I dunno, but it was a major step in the founding of Thrill Jockey, since Bettina was their A&R rep who got them signed to Atlantic in the first place.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

Aha! Cool, thanks for posting that. Not sure where I read about Atlantic's debt forgiveness.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

I'd call "New Moodio" a great lost classic, but that's awkward, considering "El Moodio" itself is something of a lost classic. I will say, however, that bar one or two tracks whose "El Moodio" versions I prefer, this is an awesome alternate album, and should be heard ASAP by anyone who remotely likes Yo La Tengo and Television and would like to hear an album that combines those two acts with an extra dollop of amped-up intensity. In other words Tyler, you know this album, right?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 February 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago) link

http://soundcloud.com/comedyminusone/eleventh-dream-day-thinking

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 February 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

Not quite 11DD but -- Janet Bean's collaboration w/James Elkington the Horse's Ha have a new album, and I said a few things. (It's very good!)

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18374-the-horses-ha-waterdrawn/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 14:32 (ten years ago) link

Oh nice, the album's also streaming at the NYT. Enjoy!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/arts/music/pressplay.html?ref=arts&_r=0

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:24 (ten years ago) link

need to check this one out, sounds up my alley...

tylerw, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 22:26 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...
four months pass...

Anyone heard their latest, "works for tomorrow"?

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 24 October 2015 12:54 (eight years ago) link

It's great!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link

Not that things matter so much in the studio, but it's their first official two guitarist album since "El Moodio."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

Freakwater have their first new album out in 11 years, and they're touring the US.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 20:21 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

Zeros And Ones is totally underrated. I think I prefer later EDD now.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 5 April 2018 06:26 (six years ago) link

Riot Now! totally kills as well

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Hearing that Wink O'Bannon may have died ... his brief tenure in the band (before hiatus) was incredible. I think that's Wink in this awesome (and rare) live set of the era:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Wm8u1nARw

I posted it on the obituary thread, but this was his song. I used to listen the hell out of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmk_lk6gxE

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

This band is just so good. Blasting "New Moodio" right now, so much awesomeness.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 January 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link

three months pass...

The new one, Since Grazed, is such a wonderful slow burn. I consistently like their 21st Century albums more.
https://eleventh-dream-day.bandcamp.com/album/since-grazed

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 19 April 2021 04:45 (three years ago) link

i've always loved this song (well i have loved it since 2006 anyway), i get the sense that it's not that typical of their sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V45d0ffL7w

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Monday, 19 April 2021 06:03 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

I have a zillion cassettes from the 80s gathering dust in various spots in my home, I'm going to cull the few keepers and bin the rest. Listening to Beet for the first time in ages today, really loud. That's a keeper. I should get it on a better format. I love how all their solos seem like they just can't get them loud enough.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 3 February 2022 20:09 (two years ago) link

This was always a band on the periphery for me, but I picked up Since Grazed and really dug it. I know its not entirely representative of their catalog, but it inspired me to dig in more and, coincidentally, I stopped by a local shop and picked up used copies of Lived To Tell, Ursa Major and Eighth. Think I need to pick up some of their 2000s era Thrill Jockey stuff next.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 February 2022 20:34 (two years ago) link

Only other one I have is El Moodio, that's really good too. I haven't heard the mellower, post-rockier ones. Sometimes I just get a nostalgic hankering for that pseudo-Velvets/Yo La Tengo guitar charge. Also found in the same pile, Dream Syndicate Live at Raji's. I know what I'm doing tonight.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 3 February 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link

still love el moodio, tremendous record

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 3 February 2022 21:51 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Man I've really enjoyed diving deeper into their catalog, so many gems. I think I need to break down and get CD copies of El Moodie and Beet on discogs or something.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 15:45 (two years ago) link

"Beet" is one of those records that back when I used to dj I would throw on and guaranteed I'd get a bunch of people asking "whoa...what is this?"

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link

I always liked the live promo album for that, called of course

https://www.discogs.com/release/3520489-Eleventh-Dream-Day-Borscht

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:10 (two years ago) link

Still really enjoying digging into these guys, really solid catalog.

Of the albums I've heard so far, this is probably how I'd rank them

Prairie School Freakout
Lived To Tell
Ursa Major
Riot Now!
Since Grazed
Eighth
Works For Tomorrow
Zeroes and Ones

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 18:00 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

this band should be on a level only slightly below yo la tengo

i.e. profitably touring

they are awesome

mookieproof, Monday, 24 July 2023 05:18 (eight months ago) link

^^ otm

They should definitely have at least that level of recognition and appreciation.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 July 2023 16:03 (eight months ago) link

For a long time my default favorite show of all time was EDD with Ira sitting in on second guitar. I never though to google it, but I just found this one song from that set:

https://soundcloud.com/pat-daly-1/eleventh-dream-day-w-ira-1

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 July 2023 16:11 (eight months ago) link

Oh shit, I found this full set of EDD with Ira just a few days later!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5HJD8riqok

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 July 2023 16:14 (eight months ago) link

!!

I'll have to check that out later

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 July 2023 16:15 (eight months ago) link

Still Grazed is an excellent record

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 July 2023 16:23 (eight months ago) link

this band should be on a level only slightly below yo la tengo

i.e. profitably touring

they are awesome

If we're judging 21st century work, EDD >> YLT.

Ever since I heard Prairie School Freakout new, one of my dreams was that EDD would back up Neil Young on an album. I guess there's still time.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 11:58 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200n9UOoRzU

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 12:13 (eight months ago) link

awesome

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 12:15 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Greil Marcus reprinted his review of Ursa Major today. Good one.
https://greilmarcus.substack.com/p/the-days-between-stations-columns-ab6

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 14 September 2023 07:31 (seven months ago) link

Yep

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 September 2023 15:44 (seven months ago) link


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