The Four Seasons C/D?

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The band, not the Vivaldi.

whenuweremine (whenuweremine), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Colossal, unmitigated dud.

briania (briania), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

completely and totally classic.

any greatest hits/anthology should have most of the best stuff.

my personal favorites are:

Rag Doll
Big Man in Town
Let's Hang On!
Working My Way Back to You
Beggin'
C'mon Marianne

and Frankie Valli:

Can't Take My Eyes off of You
The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore


Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

complete agreement with dan, plus their "dawn" was one of the greatest-all time "sopranos" closing-credit songs.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. I'll add "Tell It to the Rain" to the stack.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

While not an albums band, I guess they had enough great singles to be considered classic.

And btw. that Vivaldi work is too :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

classic, weird, testosterone-challenged pop music. i remember those strange "four seasons vs. the beatles" albums my parents had.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 15 October 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sort of intrigued by The Geniune Imitation Life Gazette. Worth getting?

supercub, Friday, 15 October 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

(Underrated) Classic:

"Opus 17 (Don't You Worry 'Bout Me)"

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 15 October 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i remember those strange "four seasons vs. the beatles" albums my parents had.

if i'm not mistaken, you could get damn good money for those albums today.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"December 1963 (Oh, What A Night)" is probably one of my most hated songs ever, so DUD

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 15 October 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i love that song!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 15 October 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

As a precursor to the Association, I enjoyed their numbers.
Frankie's falsetto... eh.
Vs The Beatles... I think we know who won that war.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 15 October 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Silver Star" = hugely underrated.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 15 October 2004 08:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sort of intrigued by The Geniune Imitation Life Gazette. Worth getting?

I think it's great but I've got weird taste. Four Seasons = CLASSIC. "Silver Star" brilliant but "The Night" could well be my favourite single of all time.

Dataismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Silver Star" = beginning of House music ("Ecstasy on their faces"). The ten-minute version on the Who Loves You? album is awesome.

Genuine Imitation Life Gazette is a work of genius but has to be heard in tandem with Sinatra's Watertown - Gaudio and Crewe wrote and produced both, and there are both musical and lyrical overlaps between the two albums.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Bob Gaudio is an amazing talent - thankfully undiscovered by hipsters as yet. It was Jake Holmes and Gaudio who wrote GILG and Watertown - pedantic fucking cunt that I am

Dataismus (Dada), Friday, 15 October 2004 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah but Bob Crewe co-wrote and produced Disco Tex and the Sex-O-Lettes!

(looooong piece on the latter coming up soonish as part of my 1974 blog thing)

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link

no less than nik cohn, author of the definitive "rock from the beginning," praised four seasons as the most "pop" pop ever. hell, i am not sure the beatles won, actually. i'd say the four seasons have yet to be discovered by hipsters...?

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

One wonders what would have happened if Brian Wilson had hired Frankie and the boys for SMiLE...

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that would've been great. certainly the wilsons would've been blessed with the four seasons' crassness on the "15 Big Ones" covers...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Hate to drop the dud-bomb on any band, really, but it's Frankie's voice that's an instant off-switch for me. Makes my jaws hurt just thinking about it.

briania (briania), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yes, "The night", what an amazing single!!! Wasn´t that put out on Motown aswell? Makes perfect sense.

dr do-good, Friday, 15 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Better than that, it was put out on MoWest, Motown's shortlived West Coast "psychedelic" subsidiary (who else was on there then? Tom Clay, Rare Earth...).

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 15 October 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, all I know are the hits. That cheesy trumpet break in "Big Girls Don't Cry" I find terribly dated; and I usually have a great tolerance, or even appreciation, for datedness. And aside from that, everything else thru the end of the sixties to the "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" days is CLASSIC. Frankie Valli's lead-voice-as-lethal-weapon paved the way for Sir Lord Baltimore and The Darkness, which is a plus. Maybe they did too many Uptown Girl/Downtown Man-type songs, but those of us who pay little attention to lyrics don't worry about that. DUD: "Swearin' To God" and the rest of the '70s disco stuff, whether Four Seasons or Valli solo. Except maybe "Oh, What A Night", and only because they played it in Joe Louis Arena in '97, after the Detroit Red Wings won their first Stanley Cup in years. (A ridiculous choice, since their previous Cup victory was in '55, for chrissakes, certainly not December 1963.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 15 October 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I just bought the Four Seasons' MoWest album, "Chameleon", (which I've never seen in my life anywhere) in Glasgow for 49p - reduced from 99p! Unfortunately it's not very good but at least now I can play "The Night" every hour on the hour from now until I breathe I last.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. But most of those other doo-wop acts that sound like Frankie and the boys, dud.

i remember those strange "four seasons vs. the beatles" albums my parents had.
They actually owned some of those? I remember still seeing those in record stores in the seventies, if that is possible, but noone I know ever bought them. No doubt, your parents bought them in the early sixties.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Did the Four Seasons ever have an awkward folk/hippie phase a la Dion? Probably not; Mojo would've been all over that if they had.

mike a, Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

They had the awkward satirical concept album stage - "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette". Mojo will discover it one day. Soon.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I bought that album
on vinyl, ninety-five cents,
scratchy but IMMENSE

songs are effin' great,
if you don't mind snotty snark
mixed with white guy soul

the cover art
OFF THE HOOK AND BATSHIT WEIRD
thesis material

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Luuuu-ckyyyyyy laayyyy-deeee buuuuu-uuuuuug LUCKY LADYBUG!!! LUCKY LADYBUG!!!

(one of the weirdest songs I have _ever_ heard)

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Thursday, 6 January 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
The Four Seasons are definitely classic '60s New York pop in the pre-Beatles style (though they overlap). The Gaudio-Crewe production/songwriting team was roughly contemporaneous with the heyday of Holland-Dozier-Holland, and the styles are somewhat similar. Tracks like Rag Doll, Working My Way Back To You and Beggars' Parade still pack a pop punch comparable to what was going on at Tamla-Motown. And Billy Joel's Uptown Girl is a pretty stylish tribute to the Four Seasons' and Bob Crewe's kind of Big Apple pop sensibility.

Arja Halonen, Monday, 1 May 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Genuine Imitation Life Gazette got quite enough love in this thread. Along w/the fact that it's genius, it probably bears mention that Frankie *doesn't* use his falsetto on that one.

Their version of the title track (Genuine Imitation Life) is easily the best of the 3 I've heard.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Monday, 1 May 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think Genuine Imitation Life Gazette got quite enough love in this thread. Along w/the fact that it's genius, it probably bears mention that Frankie *doesn't* use his falsetto on that one.

He *does* too! How else to describe the vocals on "Idaho"!

You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:59 (seventeen years ago) link

All this and no mention of "Silence is Golden" yet? Hard to believe.

JAS, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Idaho...ok, there's a high harmony part, but it lacks that piercing tone that foes of the band are probably thinking of.

dlp9001 (dlp9001), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

JAS otm, "Silence is Golden" is the high tide for this band

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

So many highpoints tho

You'll Never Put a Better Bit of Butter On Your Knife (Dada), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my favorite "rare" Four Seasons records is "I've Cried Before," (written by Bob Gaudio) the b-side of "Sherry." It's an incredible heartbreak ballad with a tremendous (non-falsetto) vocal from Valli. The record is very sparse - just Valli singing (no Seasons), piano and drums (I think there might be some guitar on there as well). It doesn't get compiled often (it wasn't even included on that rarities set Rhino did a few years ago), but I swear I'm not being elitist. It's really that great.

James, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"Girl Come Running" is great as well.

Say what you will about F. Valli and his falsetto, the way he delivers the line "And don't you forget that I'm feeling it too" is the mark of a great singer.

JAS, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

I was watching the Season 4 Sopranos episode that ends with "Dawn" last week, and wondering if the Four Seasons had a box set. Then I opened the mail from Rhino, and there it was. Growing up, I hated "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "Sherry," but so much of their music is just gorgeous. The box set reaches up to the "Grease" theme, which I've always loved. Didn't even know this was the same band to do "Oh What a Night."

http://www.rhino.com/rzine/pressrelease.lasso?PRID=483

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 11 June 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link

December 1963?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I wish I could get my hands on Valli's album for Motown - the single, "The Night," is a northern soul CLASSIC with a fucking wicked bass line

J0hn D., Tuesday, 12 June 2007 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"Beggin'" has recently been remixed (the "Pilooski Remix" whomsoever that may be) which may yet give them their second UK number one in an "Are You Ready For Love"/"Thunder In My Heart" sense.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Cool.

Valli, of course, also acted in fifth (?) season of "The Sopranos."

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I like the Timebox cover of "Beggin'"

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah yes, Patto before they were Patto - magic.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link

When Ollie was still playing vibes.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 13:36 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Night" is on that box set, too.

December 1963?

Yep.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 13 June 2007 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link

"The Night" is on that box set, too.

yeah but the rest of the album could be in that vein!!

J0hn D., Wednesday, 13 June 2007 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

... unfortunately the rest of the album isn't that good, there is a sort of "Genuine Imitation Life" mini-epic ballad on it which is good however

Tom D., Thursday, 14 June 2007 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

"Who Loves You" is from that period, eh? I think that's a great song...possibly better than the "December 1963" one.

dell, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

and 'grease'..."We take the pressure and we throw away/conventionality belongs to yesterday"

somehow for me fvalli delivering that line bests that whole movie in its entirety.

dell, Sunday, 17 June 2007 21:27 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Idaho!

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

The piano in "American and Crucifixion and Resurrection" sounds like the soundtrack to a "hippee freakout" in a bad movie from 1971 ala "Charly" that doesn't exist but that I very much want to see.

I X Love (Abbott), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, The Motown Years compilation is awfully good! I think it would surprise a lot of people who dismiss the band in this thread.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah all that Motown Valli/Seasons stuff got reissued and it's pretty amazing. I got 4 FV solo albums on the hard drive and they're full of gems. "Frankie Valli Is the Word" especially noteworthy for Bros Gibb enthusiasts - "Save Me, Save Me" classic Grease-era Bee Gees semi-disco with Valli at the helm (sounding less confident/fine-tuned than on Grease tho); the horn breakdown with the hand claps is just wonderful, and there are several of those Bee Gees chord changes that made me nauseous when I was a kid but now scratch all the right itches. For me though the most interesting thing about some Valli solo stuff is how there's this disconnect between the repertoire & the artist - it's like, consummate performer sometimes, singer in possession of a unique gift, but sometimes - even sometimes at his best - he doesn't sound particularly invested in the material. like he's punching the clock, not in a "not working hard enough way," but in a "just here to do my job" way. which is kind of rad. you don't hear much auteur/big-vision coming out of the singer - but at the same time, he's nearer the center than artists about whom you might cite that as a flaw.

my fascination with this dude is entering its 30th year I think, never mind me I'm just ramblin

Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Played the Four Seasons, Soft Cell, and Pulp versions of "The Night" last night. Superb song, as mentioned upthread.

Cunga, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Hey guys, I just got "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette" in a Brighton scrimyard for £3

I have played track one so far, it's "Smile" beach boys but not that far off "666" Aphrodite's Child.

(This makes up for back in 1978 or thereabouts, Woolworths had a sell-off of stuff hanging around their warehouse in Reading, they had about 50 copies, fairly sure it was the newspaper edition as you couldn't tell that easily who the album was by, for 30p each or thereabouts. Didn't get one, thought if it was that cheap it must be terrible)

Mark G, Wednesday, 28 August 2013 08:54 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

I took my mom to see Jersey Boys last week and I've been exploring the Four Seasons' catalog since then. Just listened to "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette" for the first time last night. It wasn't as weird as I thought it would be, but I liked it more than I expected to.

Ex Slacker, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

I saw Jersey Boys today --- it was impressive how much of the catalog they fit into the show, felt like they were launching into a song every 5 minutes, which was pretty great

Not to be nitpicky but I was secretly a little disappointed with the Frankie Valli guy. He was good as an imitation for people who maybe haven't heard the Four Seasons in a long time and just want a nostalgia trip, but he really only nailed the style in the falsetto. He didn't have the low tone much at all, and at times was so nasal he sounded more like Spongebob. It didn't ruin the show or anything but I kept thinking that I coudn't wait to listen to the real stuff when I got home.

My Mum was a huge Four Seasons fan when I was growing up....being slammed by that huge wave of songs today was such a crazy time machine, I felt like a little kid again.

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 November 2014 03:06 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

my parents just watched the movie and it was kind of a bummer watching the dude who plays frankie. guy can hit the notes but consistently screws up the phrasing, and his voice is so much less expressive

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 29 December 2014 05:18 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

This is way too much for my tastes (one good CD compilation is enough for me), but for diehards, this will likely be impossible to top:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOEIQo9QwI

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link

Good lord. Who the hell is gonna buy that? Ten guys on the Hoffman forum?

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 02:43 (one year ago) link

Libraries, friends and family? 2,500 doesn't seem like a huge press run for worldwide distribution.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 02:57 (one year ago) link

You forgot the #onethread when you mentioned libraries

Beatles in My Passway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 04:09 (one year ago) link

they should have called it Four Seasons - Total Soundscaping or Four Seasons - Total Bandscaping or something tho

at bottom, wrapping my arms around some tripe called "Quest" (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 09:19 (one year ago) link

I clicked on the video all like "c'mon guys there's a 10CD Manfred Mann box, why would you think a big Four Seasons box is off limits"...and then I saw the actual specifications.

Holy shit lol.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 09:23 (one year ago) link

I mean, their key demographic isn't getting any younger, and the number of people who became serious hard-core Fourheads from seeing Jersey Boys couldn't be more than 100-150. Figure 25-30% of the audience for the show bought the Broadway cast recording, maybe 20% of that number bought a Four Seasons CD compilation, 10% of that number bought The Kaleidoscope Good-Time Machine Post-Dispatch or whatever the fuck that's called, and maybe 5% of that number knows someone who might be interested in this box.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link

I'm interested in it... I'm not going to buy it though.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

I am the target market for this, hard to overstate just how much the music here means to me, but if I spend five hundred dollars on a box set I don't think I can even say "my wife would be mad at me," I would be mad at me if I dropped 500 bones on this.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link

J Edgar, if you really, REALLY are that tempted, I would suggest buying two - one to keep and one to sell after the market price goes through the roof when it inevitably goes out of print. This happened with Bob Dylan's Cutting Edge super deluxe set, which was 18 CD's and retailed for $700. Seemed ridiculously expensive at the time, but in the six years it's been out-of-print, near mint copies regularly fetch at least $1400. I just downloaded a copy, but I certainly covet the real thing. In retrospect, I would have bought two copies had I known I could sell one to cover the cost of both. (It took a while for the set to sell out - IIRC they still had a lot for sale after they began shipping, so I didn't think it would become that valuable.)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link

I only spent $500 on a boxed set twice ever in my life (a few years ago, when my savings were triple what they are now, lolz). one of them was the Judas Priest box, the high sticker price wasn't really due to the amount of music as much as the extras, like autographed photos of Rob Halford (not robo-signed, the real deal). the other was an Anthrax box which netted me a gold record with my name on it so now I can lie and tell people I played on Among the Living.

I fucking love The Four Seasons, literally everything about their music brings me joy, idk if I could EVER listen to this much of them though, unless the price tag came with Frankie showing up at my house and singing five songs.

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 April 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link

honestly though if there were thirteen cds of them rehearsing the songs I would listen to the shit out of that. hearing vocal groups rehearse is sometimes more fun than hearing the finished product

Will.I.Am's fetid urine (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 April 2023 02:53 (one year ago) link

Would it be "cheating" to skip straight to Genuine Imitation Life Gazette when I've only familiar with (and not especially fond of) a handful of their hits?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 13 April 2023 12:30 (one year ago) link

The group themselves probably thought of those early LPs as filler/something to get through while the singles were the real thing, I can't see any level of reverence for the group that would make someone insist you listen to them first.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 April 2023 12:46 (one year ago) link

OK, but would I be losing a lot of context without listening to a greatest hits first?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 13 April 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

Hmmm, I think if you've heard a handful and didn't like them I dunno if there's anything on a greatest hits that would give you anything more, though I may be forgetting something. Can always go back to it after you've exhausted the Genuine Imitation album anyway.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 13 April 2023 13:02 (one year ago) link


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