― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link
As for "Killing an Arab," I have a strong suspicion there'll be some sort of double-disc singles comp at some point which will include that.
"Jumping" is on the 2nd disc, Geir...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Sunday, 28 November 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Sunday, 28 November 2004 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― spiderman girl, Monday, 29 November 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Disc: The Cure - Greatest HitsFeature: Three hidden videos
How To Get It:In addition to the songs listed, there are three additional tracks on this disc. To access them enter the 'song select' menu from the main screen.
To view the following "hidden" videos:
* The Caterpillar: Highlight "The Walk", press down - right - right* Close to me (remix): Highlight "Close to me", press up - up - up* Pictures of you: Highlight "Friday I'm in love", press down - down - down
Alternatively, if you're not into the Easter Egg spirit, you can just select Title 4 - Track 1, Title 6 - Track 1 and Title 5 - Track 1 respectively.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 29 November 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 29 November 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― don weiner, Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 2 December 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, judging from the absence of "Killing An Arab", "Plastic Passion", "Pillbox Tales", "Do The Hansa" and (the studio / B-side of "Jumping Someone Else's Train" version of) "I'm Cold" (let alone, heaven forbid "I'm A Cult Hero" or "I Dig You"), it seems that Fat Bob / Fiction ae still happily playing the same games with fans of the band as they were 25 years ago; and what's sauce for the goose....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Oh yea, I'd forgotten just how B-L-A-N-K and late seventies the artwork is, like Barney Bubbles or the punk end of Hipgnosis.
Now roll on 17 Seconds, Faith & Pornography, I can't wait to hear the rare tracks from those feckers.
― mzui (mzui), Thursday, 2 December 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link
What's the story with that anyway, I have Boys Don't Cry on cassette which I bought when I was about 14 which has that song on it, later I bought the CD when Wish came out and they reduced the whole back catalogue to about £5.99 a CD and it had a different track listing, omitting World War.
Why did they do that?
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Uh, Stewart, these are all on the Join the Dots box.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Aaah but that's my point in a nutshell you see Nedworth: just as with 3IB / Boys Don't Cry and "World War", you can't quite get absolutely everything without having to buy both!
Fwiw, since I still have all my original singles etc. (including a 12" promo of "Grinding Halt" / "Meat Hook", the Cult Hero single and a signed copy of "Jumping Someone Else's Train"!) the only things on Join The Dots that really interest me are "Pillbox Tales" and "Do The Hansa"!
Why couldn't they have included those on 3IB?
I would happily have bought that then - and probably not bothered with either the boxset or the deluxe versions of any of their other albums.
Bastards.
Otoh I see they're evidently not bothered about duplicating any of the rare-ish stuff I have already got on Curiosity (the second side of the initial cassette version of Concert) 'though!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link
I put it in my letter to Santa and I'm making do in the meantime with that RAM stream I mentioned on another Cure thread ( http://www.rhino.com/fun/listeningparties/78895_album.ram )
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link
touché!
― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link
To just miss a couple of key tracks out of one of the reissues, when that reissue contains any number of duplications and must still have room to include those missing tracks, just strikes me as cynical and exploitative.
More than anything however, I think I'm just enjoying throwing my rattle out of my pram really.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
No, just to include the relevant period's tracks from Join The Dots on each of the the relevant reissues.
It's really very simple.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link
xpost
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link
But as has been noted, THEN you annoy the people who bought Join the Dots. Like me. ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link
But as has been noted, you'd buy both anyway.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
While I admire the Cure for being more thoughtful towards their fans (i.e that Greatest Hits album that came with a second CD of all the songs played acoustically), I hope 3IB has been remastered. In fact, SACD would be a huge gesture (even though I don't have an SACD player). In the case of remastering, it's a legit re-release since only, assumedly, the hard-core fans ("completists") are going to be interested in both remastering and demos or other extras.
As I've noted on other threads, it continues to astound me that, with the enormity of the bootleg market (as perpetuated by the Beatles' bootleggers), major labels continue to ignore the opportunity to fully exploit catalogs before they get thoroughly distributed by the likes of Bit Torrent and other P2P mechanisms. The Cure B-sides had been circulating in amateur format for at least 3 years before JTD came out, and trading B-sides by completists was one of the first things to be truly exploited by the advent of the home CDR. I assume, and hope, that the increase of electronic distribution will influence labels to get off their asses and get the filthy lucre while they can still charge for it.
― don weiner, Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
If they had not been so clear about how the set wouldn't be duplicated on the reissues, I don't know about that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link
But it's OK for them to have made you fork-out for a box-set as well as all the reissues, when there was more than enough empty space left on those reissues to have included all the tracks on the box-set?
We clearly see things differently!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxx le Jeune (Fabfunk), Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link
But your greater point--why not just have one huge box set for the completists that has ALL unreleased/rarities and then just reissue the originals straight up (and remastered)--seems valid. Personally, I like revisiting the original with relevant demos in one package a la 3IB or the way they are doing the Pavement reissues. Hell, I'd be grateful if the f*ckers who've re-released 18 versions of the Who's "Tommy" had done as such.
― don weiner, Thursday, 2 December 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link
Indeed. Or better still, a box set which is also available as a series of individual albums; maybe arranged so that each one can be seen as a companion disc to each of the original albums.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 2 December 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 December 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Someone on YouTube was nice enough to break it all down:
Tracklisting and time codes:
T&C II Club London - 17th January 1991Behind The Scenes 0:14Wendy Time 1:25The Big Hand 7:13Away (Cut) 11:58Let's Go To Bed 16:51A Strange Day 20:1510.15 Saturday Night 24:17Killing An Arab 28:28
Wembley Arena - London - The Great British Music Weekend - 19th January 1991Behind The Scenes 32:09Pictures Of You 39:41Fascination Street 47:19Lullaby 52:24A Forest 56:40Backstage At The Wembley Arena 1:06:49
Jonathan Ross Show - 23rd January 1991Rehearsals ("Hello I Love You", "Just Like Heaven", "The Walk", "Bland with an Edge") 1:10:17Harold And Joe 1:13:28
E - Zee Hire Rehearsal Studio - London - 22nd January 1991The Blood 1:17:35The Walk 1:22:50
MTV - "Unplugged" - 24th January 1991Backstage At The MTV Studios 1:26:27Just Like Heaven 1:39:12A Letter To Elise 1:43:40If Only Tonight We Could Sleep 1:48:23Boys Don't Cry 1:51:56
Dominion Theatre - London - 9th February 1991 Rehearsals For "The Brit Awards" 1:55:07
London - 10th February 1991 At The Fiction Office 2:00:13Backstage At The Dominion Theatre 2:03:57Never Enough 2:06:18"The Brit Awards" Presentation By Roger Daltrey 2:10:40
― Bee OK, Thursday, 1 December 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link
Ah, so great. Will be downloading that for sure.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2022 01:24 (one year ago) link
feels great to be a cure fan rn
put out the new record before i die robert!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 01:39 (one year ago) link
it's raining cure videos this week
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link
Oh man I watched that soooo many times back in 91-92. It aired on ppv in the States under a different name and somehow my parents let me buy it.
― KPH, Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:23 (one year ago) link
Great to see Play Out again, I was at that ‘91 Wembley show that’s featured, having travelled down by coach from the North. Johnathan King arranged the shows which were to be filmed and shown as part of that years’ Brits awards TV programme. Billy Bragg was one of the support acts and did a furious speech in between songs about the Iraq War. King had told him he could say anything he liked, so long as he played Levi Stubbs’ Tears. He did! Ride and The Wedding Present also played and they showed videos in between the bands on a big screen. I recall The Cult’s Eddie (Ciao Baby) going down a storm.
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:42 (one year ago) link
*Edie!
awesome to see the cure play out available again! that's -easily- the best video release they've done.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Thursday, 1 December 2022 03:07 (one year ago) link
ok finally getting around to the wish remaster and wow it sounds so good it made me like the album more
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link
It's fun to dump on the Hoffman board but all of these Cure remasters really do sound like toilet compared to previous versions, unless you love compression of course. You only need to A/B the first 20 seconds of Pornography to get the gist. Bonus stuff is always a goldmine, of course
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link
i think disintegration is the only remaster that sounds obnoxiously brickwalled
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link
and if i’m not looking at a waveform in audacity or whatever, i’d say the wish remaster goes in the opposite direction…. there’s a lot of clarity and dimension to the instrumentals that i didn’t get with the previous cd
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link
I'd like some Cure downmixes
https://www.reddit.com/r/talkingheads/comments/38u89x/talking_heads_discography_51_downmix/
― | (Latham Green), Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link
I thought the first four deluxe Cure reissues sounded pretty good and they amped up the compression after that, but I never A/B'd any of them. Pornography always sounded kind of "close," though, didn't it?
The only bonus disc I found thoroughly worthwhile was for the debut -- the Curiosity compilation had made it seem like there must be loads of really interesting unreleased stuff, but that really seemed to be the cream of the cassette collection. So many of these demos just sound so staid; I'm not sure what enthusiasts hear in them.
― eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 1 December 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link
Anyway, re:Wish, can I just say the Higher Mix of "High" is maybe a top 10 Cure track for me. Outdoes the album/single version completely, which to make room for the jangle has the keyboard arpeggios mixed far too low :(
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, July 30, 2022 9:43 AM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink
just got to the higher mix on the third disc and holy shit otm
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 December 2022 21:32 (one year ago) link
Those of us who bought the CD single have been enjoying that mix for the past 30 years ^_^
― castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 1 December 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link
Indeed! :-D
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link
"High" is easily my favorite Cure single and the Higher mix is sunlight glinting on an icicle.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
mis-use of compression is such a waste of technology
― | (Latham Green), Friday, 2 December 2022 02:41 (one year ago) link
Those of us who bought the CD single have been enjoying that mix for the past 30 years ^_^― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 2 December 2022 8:35 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 2 December 2022 8:35 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yup!
― raven, Friday, 2 December 2022 04:25 (one year ago) link
Yep. High single with those B sides was crazy value for money
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 2 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
I was listening to it this morning and thought the same thing! I hadn't heard it probably for 25 years. Can't say that about the remixes for "FTEOTDGS", "Doing The Unstuck" and "A Letter To Elise" though. They kind of suck the life out of the originals. The remix for "Friday" is ok.
― LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:31 (one year ago) link
Drums/perc and the bassline on Higher Mix are straight "A Japanese Dream".
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 2 December 2022 19:32 (one year ago) link
I still think it's a crime that "Doing The Unstuck" wasn't released as a single after "Friday I'm in Love". I"m sure it would've gotten more airplay than "Elise" and it would've sounded so good on the radio! They were at their commercial peak and the record company only released 3 singles. Both albums before that had four. Makes no sense to me.
― LeRooLeRoo, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:33 (one year ago) link
I find "A Letter to Elise" rote, so otm
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 December 2022 19:36 (one year ago) link
"A Letter to Elise" is single quality, one of the best songs on this album and I think it was the right move. A fourth single should have been released like others have said.
― Bee OK, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link
The reissue cemented my back-in-the-day opinion that “Apart” is a beast of a song and it made me happy to read Robert rediscovering it during the remastering process
― castanuts (DJP), Friday, 2 December 2022 20:51 (one year ago) link
Love the instrumental demo from of To Wish Impossible Things - never really one of my faves. Has all these extra guitar parts which they would ultimately replace with vocals and that somewhat cheesy viola
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link
I still think it's a crime that "Doing The Unstuck" wasn't released as a single
Robert is still mad (per the tweetalong the other day) that the record company went for Elise when he wanted Unstuck
― more crankable (sic), Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:42 (one year ago) link
I WANTED ‘DOING THE UNSTUCK’ AS THE THIRD SINGLE FROM THE ALBUM, BUT WAS IGNORED BY THE GREAT POWERS… BAH! #TIMSTWITTERLISTENINGPARTY #WISHLISTENINGPARTY— The Cure (@thecure) November 25, 2022
― more crankable (sic), Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:54 (one year ago) link
it's def the more crankable jam
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
He’s right to be mad!
― more crankable (sic), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:05 (one year ago) link
DOO DOO DOO DOODOOOOO— The Cure (@thecure) November 26, 2022
― more crankable (sic), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:06 (one year ago) link
Wow didn't even know that! Sucks Robert couldn't put his foot down, when he was making them so much money. "Elise" could've been a great fourth final single, à la "Pictures Of You".
― LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 3 December 2022 14:53 (one year ago) link
Elise *was* the single
― Mark G, Saturday, 3 December 2022 18:03 (one year ago) link
Elise was not the fourth final single
― more crankable (sic), Saturday, 3 December 2022 18:52 (one year ago) link
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 3 December 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link
I completely agree. I've been rediscovering it myself these past few days and I like it better than back in the day. Very moving.
― LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 3 December 2022 20:14 (one year ago) link
Ha x-post
― LeRooLeRoo, Saturday, 3 December 2022 20:15 (one year ago) link
I just got this bad boy in the mail.
Happy Happy Joy Joy
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
Still haven't received the vinyl or the cassette / cd bundle I had to order from two separate vendors. Hope they show up soon.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:32 (one year ago) link
Wish 3CD set is currently $4 on Amazon at the moment. Mistake?
― Bee OK, Friday, 23 December 2022 05:27 (one year ago) link
Don't see it. Gone?
― Mark G, Friday, 23 December 2022 10:34 (one year ago) link
Yeah, it's gone, now back up to $21. I knew it was a mistake.
― Bee OK, Friday, 23 December 2022 18:23 (one year ago) link
Mystified why AMG has never bumped Wish from a 2.5 to something even slightly higher. The next three are all 3s.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 4 August 2022 22:32 (ten months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Aha, only just now realised they changed it to 4 in November (with new review).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 9 June 2023 03:41 (eleven months ago) link
Forgot to bump this thread instead -- following Show last year, Paris is coming back:
https://store.rhino.com/en/rhino-store/artists/the-cure/paris-cd/603497825103.html
(Presumably WMS next up, so the question is whether that or the new album actually comes out first.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:44 (three months ago) link