The Thread Where We List The People Who Put Kanye As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2004 list

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(p.s. my token rap album is Bumblebeez 81)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Tyson Lex Wheatley, CNN

The Arcade Fire -- Funeral -- Merge
Interpol -- Antics -- Matador
TV on the Radio -- Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes -- Touch & Go
Air -- Talkie Walkie - Astralwerks
Sonic Youth -- Sonic Nurse -- Geffen
Brian Wilson -- Smile - Nonesuch
Ron Sexsmith -- Retriever - Nettwerk
Animal Collective -- Sung Tongs -- Fat Cat
Modest Mouse -- Good News For People Who Love Bad News -- Epic
Kanye West -- The College Dropout -- Rocafella

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I put it as my token pop album.

Huk-L, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

you killed two birds with one stone! sweet!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Tyson Lex has the 2004 lazy list

chaki in charge (chaki), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Not exactly, but this is from the free weekly here in Madison:

As far as selling units goes, no one spent more time at the cash registers than Usher, who jumped from the crunk-addled “Yeah!” (formulated with omnipresent party machine Lil Jon) to his considerably creamier duet with Alicia Keys, “My Boo,” with the greatest of ease. He was the toast of R&B in 2004. Naw, make that the toast of all commercial music. His bazillion-selling Confessions even threatened to diminish the impact of Kanye West’s laudably gangsta-free instant hip-hop classic College Dropout. And it did succeed in making the much ballyhooed return of Destiny’s Child seem parochial and unnecessary.

...

Frankly, I have no idea where rock is going, and judging from what happened in 2004, no one else does either. In a perfect world, gifted prog-metal practitioners Coheed and Cambria, genteel strutters the Walkmen and sui generis indie/electronic explorers TV on the Radio would carry the day, while veteran practitioners of melodic weirdness like Modest Mouse and the reconfigured Wilco would keep attracting more and more believers to their sonic cults. What’s really happening, however, is that Dorian Gray wannabes U2 are poised to dominate the rock ’n’ roll conversation once again with their latest glossy-but-well-meaning studio production, How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb, while Green Day mesmerizes legions of kinda-sorta punky suburban youth with American Idiot (a surprisingly vigorous anti-Bushie screed) and guileless Jay-Z buddies Linkin Park pound whatever rock fans are left into beat-heavy submission.

As for the distressingly influential tween demographic, those kiddies who aren’t lapped up by tattooed pop goths Good Charlotte have either renewed their love affair with oh-so-professional grrrl rocker Avril Lavigne or have been duped by tone-deaf lip-syncher Ashlee Simpson.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

it was neither the only, nor the highest ranking hip hop album on my list, but I said it was the "best hip pop record since Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em"

xxpst

Huk-L, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

And while I'm on the topic: In the glory days of Pac-Man, videogame soundtracks consisted of a simple synthesizer-generated theme that was repeated ad nauseam. Now the ability to place tracks in the hottest new videogames is becoming key to connecting artists with young audiences. Those are big changes.

I can't believe he missed the chance to mention how pop-music now consists of a simple synthesizer-generated theme repeated ad naseum!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

in a perfect world a whinier Rush, the slack-ass remnants of Jonathan Fire*Eater, Living Colour with no skills or rhythm section and old alt-rock bands I've been listening to for years would be at the top of the pop charts.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

my god, Jordan, that piece is just...I think I'm gonna vomit or die laughing

laudibly gangsta-free

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

In a perfect world, gifted prog-metal practitioners Coheed and Cambria

Where's my gun?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

glossy-but-well-meaning

Huk-L, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

haha miccio, otm xpost

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Jordan, who IS this freak? And can I beat him/her/it with sticks?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

MICCIO U R CALLIN PEOPLE AN RACIST AND I DEMAND U STPO

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, in what world is Coheed and Cambria preferable to Green Day and Linkin Park?

In what world is Coheed and Cambria preferable to FUCKING ANYTHING, for that metter?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Me! Me!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Josh Modell, Onion A.V. Club

1. The Walkmen, Bows + Arrows
2. Interpol, Antics
3. Modest Mouse, Good News For People Who Love Bad News
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout
5. The Arcade Fire, Funeral
6. Trashcan Sinatras, Weightlifting
7. Elliott Smith, From A Basement On The Hill
8. Julie Doiron, Goodnight Nobody
9. Snow Patrol, Final Straw
10. Sufjan Stevens, Seven Swans

(Josh also gives love to Jadakiss's laudibly gangsta-free "Why" in his singles list)

Keith Phipps, Onion A.V. Club
1. The Streets, A Grand Don't Come For Free
2. Modest Mouse, Good News For People Who Love Bad News
3. Loretta Lynn, Van Lear Rose
4. Kanye West, The College Dropout
5. U2, How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb
6. Brian Wilson, Smile
7. Nellie McKay, Get Away From Me
8. The Hives, Tyrannosaurus Hives
9. Devendra Banhart, Niño Rojo
10. Wilco, A Ghost Is Born

(Phipps give honorable mentions to the laudibly gangsta-free Madvilliany and Roots releases)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It really sort of amazes me that there are still critics out there that single out Linkin Park as an example of everything that's wrong with rock today. How long does it take to evolve past that kind of thinking?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Not DeRo, though: He lists Kanye AND the Roots!!

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

Huk-L, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

MICCIO U R CALLIN PEOPLE AN RACIST AND I DEMAND U STPO

let's see if we can make this an annual ILX tradition!

Not DeRo, though: He lists Kanye AND the Roots!!

he's a drummer! ?uestlove gets love!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

that's grime!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

It really sort of amazes me that there are still critics out there that single out Linkin Park as an example of everything that's wrong with rock today. How long does it take to evolve past that kind of thinking?

Maybe it's reflexive hate against both Depeche and hip-hop. (Stranger has occurred.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean does Blur's "Parklife" count as rap?

(X-post)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeez, and all this before P&J, too!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

People still hate Depeche Mode?

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The Thread Where We List The People Who Put KanyeOUTKAST As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2003 list

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course, there is the nagging detail of College Dropout actually sounding like 100% hip-hop and not 50% hip-hop/50% bad Prince imitations/artwank/one great rock song

(xp stevie: I really dreaded this, y'know)

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned stole his Linkin Park/Depeche Mode connection from me (I hope, cuz I'd be all proud)!


STEPHEN DEUSNER, Pitchfork

1. Arcade Fire: Funeral
2. Nellie McKay: Get Away from Me
3. Loretta Lynn: Van Lear Rose
4. Scissor Sisters: Scissor Sisters
5. Ted Leo and the Pharmacists: Shake the Sheet
6. Annie: Anniemal
7. Wilson: Brian: SMiLE!
8. Kanye West: The College Dropout
9. Iron & Wine: Our Endless: Numbered Days
10. AC Newman: The Slow Wonder


Ryan Schrieber put Madvillainy on his list WITH Kanye...bastard.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The writer is Tom Laskin, local music-critic-at-large. The other guy (Al Ritchie) who writes for the weekly is much better, but he seems to get nowhere near the number of articles in as this guy.

Here's the full article, but I can't resist posting the coup-de-grace final paragraph:

Think of it this way: Kurt Cobain’s been in the grave for little more than 10 years, and the early-’90s version of the music industry that helped transform him into a global figure now looks like a dusty relic. Don’t know about you, but I find that astonishing. And, to be honest, a little disturbing.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

What, the Streets don't count as rap?

that's grime!

Dude, Mike Skinner is a minstrel. ;-)

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Joe Panzner, Stylus

01. Junior Boys – Last Exit
02. Sachiko M/Toshimaru Nakamura/Otomo Yoshihide – Good Morning Good Night
03. Joanna Newsom – The Milk-Eyed Mender
04. Keith Rowe/Burkhard Beins – Erstlive001
05. Kanye West – The College Dropout
06. Radian – Juxtaposition
07. The Blood Brothers – Crimes
08. Wolf Eyes – Burned Mind
09. Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip – Building Excess
10. Dion Workman/Mattin – Via Vespucci

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

At least he put Kanye above Radian. They're BORING.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

The name Radian reminds me of a lost Gastr Del Sol off-shoot band or something.

I hate *perfect* top tens. I hate all of the above lists because they don't contain any *quirky* choices. Gimme a list that has Junior boys *and* Celine Dion in it!

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan Carter, Prefixmag
1. The Futureheads, S/T
2. Animal Collective, Sung Tongs
3. Nirvana, With The Lights Out
4. Tomorrow's Friend, Area 41
5. Night Rally, The Elegant Look Of New
6. Kanye West, The College Dropout
7. Arthur Russell, The World Of Arthur Russell
8. Arthur Russell, Calling Out Of Context
9. 808 State, Prebuilt

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

But Kanye's a well-chosen token, like Sidney Poitier or Lester Bangs (Meltzer tagged him as The Biz's token wild man). xpost "that's grime!" Dizzee grime is grimey rap; GRIME(Rephlex comp) is something else, and no doubt ditto lots of stuff on approx infinite Grime 2004 thread. Linkin Park is not everything wrong with rock; their wrongness is their own (walking on the rap-rock dinosaurette tarpit, but still.

don, Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned stole his Linkin Park/Depeche Mode connection from me (I hope, cuz I'd be all proud)!

Sorry, dude. ;-) Simon Reynolds was the one I first read making the connection, and I think Dan and I were saying the same thing on here a couple of years back.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread should be expanded to include people like me who enlarged their tokenism to include the Ghostface and Madvillain albums.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! and he is kanye. Ask Byron Crawford.

http://ubl.artistdirect.com/Images/artd/amg/music/bio/721308_kanyewest3_200x200.jpg

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

People still hate Depeche Mode?

You'd be surprised. I think, however, their numbers are in some cases quite literally dying off.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Arcade Fire, Funeral

If the Arcade Fire got one US dollar for every 500 words written about them in newspapers and blogs in 2004, instead of their royalty check, they'd have more than enough money to buy a new accordion and party dress for Regine.

George Smith, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

is that Joe Panzner list really 'indiecentric'?

a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dean Roberts/Radu Malfatti/Mattin/Klaus Filip/Usher/Ludacris

oops. missed this one. sorry.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

this will be revived after p&j...for the kicks.

Kicks delivered to the body of a dead horse, maybe.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I stole your bit!

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

err so improv = indie? ok

a, Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if it sells even less than indie, its indie.

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Me! Me!
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 30th, 2004.

RIGHT HERE IN RIVER CITY!

1. Junior Boys - Last Exit - Kin (16 points)
2. Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse - Geffen (13 points)
3. Phoenix - Alphabetical - Source/Astralwerks (13 points)
4. Bark Psychosis - Codename: Dustsucker - Fire (13 points)
5. Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender - Drag City (10 points)
6. Luomo - The Present Lover - Kinetic (10 points)
7. Erlend Oye - DJ Kicks - !K7 (8 points)
8. Kanye West - The College Dropout - Roc-A-Fella (7 points)
9. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs - Fat Cat (5 points)
10. United State of Electronica - United State of Electronica - Sonic Boom (5 points)

miccio (miccio), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Measure Of A Man went double platinum. The new one is platinum. Hybrid Theory did 8. Meteora's done 5.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I admit they're not as big as Shania.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm sorry, what was linkin park's number one hit again?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hybrid Theory was the best selling album of 2002.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

and what was that linkin park song that you just heard EVERYWHERE, what was the name of that one again?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"In The End."

I like how you got on this kick just cuz I said Jet had more hits than Blur.

you're like the guy who wants to win the chicken race so bad you fly off the cliff

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

are you gonna ask me when Linkin Park was played at a wedding now?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never argued that modern rock was the most popular genre in the country, but people are clearly still listening to it.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

De La only token rap alb that matters 2004 holla.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if ten million bought it, eleven million heard it and dude i'm pretty sure more than eleven million people have heard "song 2" (nevermind "groovy train"). rockophiles a slightly larger cult than anglophiles: big deal. noone else cares. what was the last modern rock radio hit to go top ten without adult contemporary help? (feel free to include british balladeers here too)(though turns out they get more ears than american balladeers)("toppins, toppins").

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and actually, in the case of Linkin and Jet (the two bands I've mentioned), we're talking about modern/mainstream/crossover

(x-post)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and "song 2" wasn't even their biggest hit, right?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno about latest, but Linkin's "In The End" went to No. 2 on the Top 40 (no. 1 Top 40 mainstream). And adult contemporary is way more friendly to modern rock crossover than rap (I mean they played "Bring Me To Life")

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

stop it you two you're TEARING ME APART

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

right! but a fairly big modern rock radio hit in 1997 is a HUGER hit than your biggest modern rock (non-ac) hit in 2005 (note: NOT 2001)(ask skid row the difference between 1995 and 1991). cf. the most famous active heavyweight in 2005 isn't nearly as famous as the third most famous heavyweight in 1975.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

jet is bigger than blur ever was

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

sales, top 40 crossover, fact

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

except more people have actually heard a song by blur. in america. fact.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

say what you will about market size for the genre in its entirety. who cares? I just said Jet was bigger than blur.

(x-post. thank ESPN)

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "cassandra wilson is bigger than duke ellington ever was. sales, top 40 crossover, fact."

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i am thinking espn, i'm not the dude who had to turn to the blogosphere to find out about ashlee simpson getting booed.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you really over-estimate the size of Blur on the US alt-rock marketplace in the 90s

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

and there ain't no shame in not watching the Orange Bowl half-time special

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Jet may be the Cassandra Wilson of modern rock but Damon sure wasn't the Duke.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc99/12_11_99/mathland3.gif

FACT!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.35degrees.com/PhotoPages/sumo/smooth_moves.JPG

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'VE GOT MY HASH PIPE!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

HUUH!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

2001 is not 2005, blount. Ask Sebastian Bach.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the first time i ate pussy it was to a skid row song

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm maybe delete that mods

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

"sweet little sister"?

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"makin a mess" - PSYCHE! no seriously "i remember you"

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Midnight/Tornado"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Slow Jamz"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "quicksand jesus"

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"1000 Umbrellas"

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"wasted time"

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

best hijack ever

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

mention of cunnilingus = immediate hijack

mention of analingus = immediate lojack

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago) link

people ask me why it's hot when Miccio and Blount fight, and I say because there's always the chance that they might kiss

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 05:43 (nineteen years ago) link

PLATFORM CHUCK TAYLORS!

DEAR LORD.

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Just out of curiosity, how many of you like the same music as your wife/girlfriend? (Or, if you don't have a girlfriend, for "girlfriend" substitute "fuckbuddy" or "the woman you stalk.")

MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link


"Dom Passantino once discussed Jackass with Douglas Coupland ('that little guy on the skateboard? Oh, I love him'), and had to repeat everything twice to Jamelia during an interview because she didn’t understand his accent. His interests include gambling, swearing, and stalking."

Pardon?


MV, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Seven.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

...

Come Again?, Thursday, 13 January 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

lol

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 November 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link


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