im a rockist and proud, rock is my favourite type of music, and i cant help but think it superior to all other forms of music out there

Since when has rock'n'roll been about melody?

See, I can never get this. Whenever someone tries to explain how different rock and hip hop are, it doesn't make sense. They're both extensively sample heavy music, (rock guitarists are always taking riffs wholesale and it's no big deal), rock uses the same drum beat ALL the time (that 2/4 rock beat is in tons of songs. I mean, Neil Young used the exact same beat, no variation whatsoever, in 2 songs on Harvest and I don't recall anyone coping this stance), they both sing about the same things, and I swear I have heard TONS of rap songs with melodies.

no real songs, really...

Brian, you should meet this guy called Geir.

OMG TECHNO IS FUTURISTIC

Did none of them mention that it's full of samples of histrionic soul vox?!

Also, surely hip hop beats of today are more imaginative than rock's? And most rap songs have as much melodies as your basic three or four chord rock song, it's just that they aren't necessarily in the vocals.

Not by me.

i only lend my ears to Hip-Hop, Jazz and Funk, and am poorly versed in your area of expertise. that said, i fully accept its inherent excellence.

rawk on.

That's my bands new single

"house/techo/etc - again, very modern and futuristic at times, or at least it used to be"

I'm looking at the man in the mirror, I'm asking if he's...

(excuse these rampant generalisations but i feel they are necessary to make a point),

thanks for the clarification there

x-post

re: people "pretending" to like other stuff/not like rock as much as they really do, there probably are many that do. Pointing out this phenomenon isn't equivalent to saying EVERYONE does this.

You honestly believe he is going to listen to any suggestions?

hahahahahaha

It's like saying "Pasta is my fave food, and I can't help but think it's superior to all other foods", and then stating "the debate is whether or not pasta and only pasta is as satisfying to the palate as he claims".

Though I am not brian jones and I suspect this thread was meant as a joke, I'd like to posit the argument that hip-hop, being more involved with lyrical content and groove, has more straightforward and repetitive drumming and sparce instrumentation, especially during the "verses", which are a mouthful compared to a typical rock song. Compare the drumming styles of Sabbath and Zeppelin, Stones and Beatles. The most interesting drums I can ever remember on a hip-hop album were back in the sample days and taken from classic 70s rock and made much more simple and repetitive.

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MindInRewind, if you said "pasta has a characteristics x, y, and z, and all other foods do not do x, y, and z as well as pasta does", don't you think there's potential for debate there?

I regret my first post on this thread now.

I don't know wtf you're on about. Nobody said anything about anyone's taste being inferior. Sometimes my mind boggles at the extent to which one can miscontrue things.

Actually, all the responses to 00p and to what is an obvious, self-aware, joking opinion piece. Quote: "i could go on but i should probably stop from embarassing myself. but im happy this way, im sick of rock fans pretending that theyre into all types of music when they arent, be a rockist and proud!!! "

Personally, I did not take this as an attack on my "inferior" tastes/aesthetic/ethos at all, but I guess I'm not as sensitive as you... and I love blues, jazz, soul, house/techno/etc. and I like hip hop. Seems to me this guy was offering the understated suggestion (which was overwhelmed by his overstated opinions) that rock music offers the most variety/elements that make it work better as a musical experience in his opinion.

we get the point, miccio.
no wait, i don't, actually.

Oh boo freaking hoo. No, it's not a crime.

And it's not a crime to dismiss musical traditions that stretch back 30 (hip-hop) or 50 (soul) or 110 years (jazz) with one sentence, particularly one that reveals appalling ignorance and a willingness to believe in secondhand stereotypes. But it should be. And failing criminality, don't expect me to get into a "debate" with someone who doesn't know enough to even carry on a conversation, much less a debate. If you can't say anything more about jazz than "no thank you, its too all over the place. no structure or format," you have provided evidence that you don't really care about investigating other forms of music to see whether you'd like them as much as your favorite.

Perhaps someone could even suggest him some things to listen to from other genres that contain the elements and characteristics of rock that he likes.

Perhaps. Perhaps he could have phrased his initial question that way, rather than posting a bunch of one-sentence denunciations of entire musical forms. That would show that he's willing to listen, rather than an imperialistic "show me instances of your music living up to mine."

It was best said earlier on this thread: "People are moved by all kinds of music, and nobody has any business telling someone that the music they like has inherently inferior emotional qualities."

Yeah, Milton, I reckoned the whole thing was tongue-in-cheek. I only got revved up when 00ps got all "So what if it's a joke? He's right!"

I don't know wtf you're on about.

As I said, I was on about this:

yeah let's stifle all debate, dismiss anyone who has contrary opinions by calling them a troll.

I only got revved up when 00ps got all "So what if it's a joke? He's right!"

Then there was no need to get revved up, cause that's not what I said. I don't know why your panties are all atwist.

The thing about "memorable melodies that stick in your head" being the criteria for one genre being preferable to another would seem to lead straight to vocal jazz standards and Broadway showtunes and honky tonk country before it would lead to rock and roll. So I tend to think that "melody" is a red herring when rockists (troll rockists, straw man rockists, any old rockists really) bring it up.

(fwiw, i listen to very little rock)

sure. and why shouldnt they?

No way does either of these musical genres represent "melody" more than rock or stick in one's head longer than a rock song. "Troll" and "straw man" are two terms that need to be outlawed online, for they have gone way beyond "use other words, please."

No, the pattern being "I've seen this piece verbatim elsewhere, and besides he hasn't made a single post after his original one, so clearly he either doesn't really exist or he's posted not to have a discussion, but to get people riled up. So let's not give him what he wants."

I'm not belittling his intelligence because he doesn't toe the party line; I'm belittling his intelligence because he has little intelligence.

And once again, I'm treating him like he's a real person. So I'll stop now.

I only got revved up when 00ps got all "So what if it's a joke? He's right!"

Then there was no need to get revved up, cause that's not what I said. I don't know why your panties are all atwist.

I should've divided those two sentences up into two separate quotes. Because you have said both of those things.

As for us "smug mofos" "stifling debate," how many posts are on this thread? How many threads are on ILM? Looks like a debate, thousands of them, to me.

I'll say it again: If this person is real, which I don't think he is, he said "All your favorite music is inferior to mine." That's not an invitation to a genuine debate, and you shouldn't be surprised that he didn't get one.

This might be the stupidest post I've ever seen on ILX.

Thank you!

Which of these things is REALLY, TRULY, WITHOUT QUESTION, the best?

hey brain jones you is full of SHIT (but not as full of shit as the real brian jones must be by now haha)! what you call rock n roll is fag shit. kurt cabin nirvina is that youre idea of rock? screaming no tunes and the words are all fuck cunt kill myself hairspray. you know noting of REAL rockaroll in other words the one and only KING that is ELVIS and thats why hes number one top of the pop 27 years after he's gone because its REAL rock a roll REAL music who can SING not like your pop idle on parade shit you get now he is FOREVER THE ONE AND ONLY KING ELVIS

-- Aaron Garon (aaron.garo...), January 14th, 2005 8:39 AM. (link)

rockaroll!

Frisky colts, hands (paws?! hooves?!) down. Their cuteness is much more organic and exhibited with genuinely melodic emotion. Whereas adorable puppies, for example, seem to sample their cuteness from other creatures. And enchanting kittens and playful piglets don't even use real instruments.

Okeedokee.

Also it's good form to actually choose a login name so people can confirm when you're responding to threads you started under different names. Good luck!

http://www.vanhalen-irc.com/vanhalen/images/dlr.jpg

Yeah, like fuck Andre 3000 listens to James Brown. He only listens to Nirvana. He probably likes Funk ironically.

i don't necessarily agree with the idea that rock is inherently better, but i'm really pining for the days when rock music ruled the charts.

TMI

10 years pass

This week's top 10 albums include Fall Out Boy, Marilyn Manson and the Decembrists. Long Live Rock!

it's telling that all those bands have been around for a long while.

And also that the Decemberists are not rock.

more like book

more like a ponderous tome