Heroin (The Band), Antioch Arrow, etc.

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..and you can include Antioch Arrow, Swing Kids, Angel Hair, and other somewhat gothed out hardcore bands from the late 80s and early 90s in discussion, too. Will the style still rule the roost in the next decade or so?

― Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

does it still rule the roost now?

search heroin's discography cd, containing the best hardcore (punk) record of the 90s. (followed closely by born against's patriotic hymns for children.

search -everything- on gravity records, but esp. the first antioch arrow 12", the angel hair discography CD, the mighty clikitat ikatowi's live CD, the VSS's nervous circuits,the born against/universal order of armageddon split 7", the uoa dub 12", the men's recovery project 7".

non-gravity: the universal order of armageddon and great unravelling 12"s on kill rock stars, i guess early unwound counts here, the monorchid, the first rye coalition album.

destroy: humorless/style-less political hardcore inna ebullition stylee, former spazz-core bands copping bowie moves (the rapture, get hustle, etc.), the locust and all who sail her stillborn waters.

― jess, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You can ignore Jess' suggestion to ignore stuff like The Locust & The Rapture. He's talking crazy. (If he's including Propoghandi in that humorless political sandbag, he's talking more crazy. If Mr. Darnielle is around, though, he should be the one to step up & defend, if such besmirchment is afoot.)

If you're going to include the Monorchid, you have to include Skull Control, yes? And, for a history lesson, the Screamers 2 CD retrospective (and Synthpunk.com) might be worth your while.

― David Raposa, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i really have nothing else to add here except my condolences I couldn't have chimed in early to agree with most of Jess' sentiment and David's rebuttal. Really, quite comprehensive in a few posts. And also, thank Brian for making this a top-level (did you see my post on the "heroin" (the song) thread?)

― http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Whoa, there. I know nothing about this stuff, and it sounds like it might be interesting. Any chance of a bit more of a detailed description?

― RickyT, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

heroin: the bridgehead between old skool hardcore and screamo? aided by a whipfast rhythm section and a guitar sound like a piece of sheet metal being rippled in a gust of wind. good screamer too.

antioch arrow: the birthday party on 78 rpm? really, really fast (but not speed metal fast) spastic hardcore. supposedly there's a keyboard buried in the mix somewhere as well. damned if i can hear it.

angel hair: bauhaus x die kruezen + celtic frost? again, spasmotron hardcore with the best screamer of the 90s. mutated into...

the vss: a hardcore version of p.i.l.? an even more unhinged/compacted jesus lizard? noo wave terror. amped up gothic-y keyboard bits meets pile drive rock. best of the lot in my opinion.

clikitat ikatowi: the BEST hardcore/punk drummer i've ever heard. when i was in college and looking to form a band, i played the opening track on the live album for a friend/drummer. he just sorta shook his head "there's no way i can play that fast and intricate dude." we're not talking prog here. it's got a lot more HEFT. the guitars have a trebly, skeletal wipers-thing going on. sounds like it was recorded in a wind tunnel and all the better for it. only hardcore record to feature harmonica?

monorchid: stop-start neo-post punk. twin guitarists in the best roland howard/mick harvey tradition. chris thomson sounds like mark e. smith after an eight hour pixie stick binge.

born against: occasionally brilliant, occasionally atrocious political hardcore romper room rumpus.

there were other bands to record in and around the gravity axis (evergreen = limp indie rock, physics = tangerine dream, three mile pilot = occasionally brilliant dark rock and roll, huggy bear = well, you know), but these represent the best of the dark, seedy grind they got going at their best.

― jess, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hey look they have a very minimal website.

― jess, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, The Locust rule. Mike Patton is after them for his Ipecac label, apparently.

― Andy, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the best...at their best.

i'm calling the writing police on myself for that one.

― jess, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

jess writes: clikitat ikatowi: the BEST hardcore/punk drummer i've ever heard. when i was in college and looking to form a band, i played the opening track on the live album for a friend/drummer. he just sorta shook his head "there's no way i can play that fast and intricate dude." we're not talking prog here. it's got a lot more HEFT.

not a bad skater either...

― http://gygax.pitas.com, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually, Joey Karam, the Locust's keyboardist, had a role in helping to popularize a lot of this type of music -- at least at a local level. He took over and booked at the all ages Huntington Beach Library in Orange County for a short while (1995 to 1997 I think), and basically put together these amazing shows featuring all of the above bands at one point or another, such that even the kids down in San Diego would drive up and see them. (I saw the very first Locust show with Joey, and also the first as "The Locust", which prompted a really bitter speech by J.P. about the legal threats from the UK Locust) Anyway, it was certainly an influence in my decision to help promote show a month at Koo's cafe in Santa Ana for the year of 2000.

Joey also used to do a well acclaimed radio show after mine on KUCI during his booking days. So, yeah, he's always been a mover and shaker, and it's nice to see The Locust getting some recognition.

― Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

...only hardcore record to feature harmonica?

If Young Pioneers count as "hardcore" (I'm not sure they do, I'm not sure Clikitat Ikatowi does either), then there's another band with records featuring harmonica.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

jess is right about this: born against's 9 patriotic hymns for children is a great album. most of the other stuff in the thread was always a bit too goth for me personally.

― g, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I thought the Hated were kinda cool.

― Colin Meeder, Friday, 11 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I became aware of this stuff in the mid-90s. I haven't really gone far enough into the earlier stuff. I wasn't a diehard fan, and I didn't really have much record-spending money at the time, but it was a big part of the backdrop for a year of my life. Ottawa was a somewhat happening place as this stuff goes. Okara and Shotmaker were the biggest bands in the scene. Okara's Months Like Years features post-Levene guitars over a nimble ridiculously mathy proggy rhythm section with prepubescent howls. Shotmaker were more of a straightforward rocking hardcore band. I don't play any of it a lot now. I do of course rate Native Nod's "Tangled" single but the Lapse sucked when I saw them. I thought Camera Obscura (featuring former members of Swing Kids and Shortwave Channel) and Black Cat 13 were excellent when I saw them in the summer of 2000, especially the former, who achieved a dense noise sometimes reminiscent of Swans. On record they were a bit of a disappointment but I did get some mileage out of To Change the Shape Of An Envelope for a while. Black Cat were a bit more in a Locust vein. I have a Locust CD, which I played a bit in the summer. Kid606 probably does the spazz-noise thing better to be honest. Swing Kids were pretty good IIRC and did the only worthwhile Joy Division cover I've heard. Anyone remember Policy of 3? (I'm not completely sure which bands should count in this category.) Do the 1.6 Band count? I'm sure at some point I'll get massively nostalgic for the atmosphere of 1995/6 and buy all the records I didn't hear the first time around.

― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 12 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Colin, were the Hated ever a "gothed out hardcore band"? Are there going to be Cure & Bauhaus covers on that oft-rumored retrospective? Is this going to CHANGE the face of "emo" forevah?

― David Raposa, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, almost all of our songs were secretly about elves. Does that count?

― Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But seriously: Listen carefully, and you hear the New Order and Joy Division rip-offs, especially in the earliest stuff.

― Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Now, see, you're assuming that I have heard the Hated, which I have not. (Except for that single on Troubleman, that is, which isn't really the Hated, is it?)

The only thing keeping me from buying most of the records mentioned on this thread is credit card fear.

― David Raposa, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Speaking of Ottawa, wasn't there a band called Ottawa? I remember Joey used to play this song by Ottawa all the time which had a hilarious sampled intro of this metal guy beckoning this sinister in- between-song live dialog.

As for sampling metal band live dialog, the clear winner is, of course, Charles Bronson's classic "Live in Fucking Belgium".

― Brian MacDonald, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Close runner up, of course -- Venom. "This next song is called...'CHANTING...OF THE PRIESTS!!!"

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I remember pple somewhenelse used to talk about Antioch Arrow! Where can I get their stuff from???

― jel, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gravity records in San Diego still has copies of the first twofer CD available. I don't know if Amalgamated still prints their third album (the more goth) "Gems of Masochism", though...

― Brian MacDonald, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Isn't there a Venom live album(s) where they do Ned's schtick for EVERY SINGLE SONG?

― David Raposa, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

They might, but the legendary bit I heard came courtesy of Celebrities At Their Worst, with nothing but the schtick on the cut. All the songs were edited out so only the briefest of introductions and conclusions were heard. This actually had the salutory advantage of making Venom sound they were putting first album Wire to shame in terms of brute brevity -- too bad they weren't really like that.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

In fact, I'm convinced that the Gerogerigegege's "Tokyo Anal Dynamite" is their/his interpretation of such a montage of live Venom minus song bodies.

― Brian MacDonald, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...

Hey, even though they are not really of the gothed out hardcore genre, what do you guys think of Crom Tech. In my opinion Mick is one of the most innovative guitar players in "hardcore" and no one else has ever been so intricate. Another band that is pushing the limits is Vaz. It's ex-members of Hammerhead and they have some very interesting guitar and drum work.

― Matt Deapo, Monday, 8 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

five months pass...

hey look, i slagged off the rapture way back in january! keerazy!

REVIVE: because this came up in a google search for the hated (i'm downloading...colin your lawyers can reach me at this address), and also because it preps you for my upcoming epic treatise on 90s hardcore on freaky trigger!! (provided tom checks his email still.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

nice, i for one, can't wait for it jess.

― gygax!, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kudos for Jess for the revival (amen!), giving me more bootay to toss in my Insound cart. Window shopping on the web is sooooo nice.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Well - just got HEROIN discography cd..at last....and it has blown me away!!
Some thing to add on the my INK & DAGGER fixation.
Can some one tell me if "I HATE YOU" are something onto the sound of HEROINS spastic hardcore??Think they have now went on to form KNIVES OUT(Which i have`nt heard ether...)
Off to try and dig out more GravityRecs..

― Rimbaud, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, did your piece ever see the light of day?

― gygax!, Wednesday, 2 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

that is now in the hands of tom ewing, esq.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 October 2002 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...

i got an antioch arrow record, because i liked their name. i haven't played it yet though

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

i hope you didn't get the bad one.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

im assuming you mean the second one?

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

the goth one.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i think you mean the same one i think of as the "cabaret" one.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

west coast emo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> east coast (sorry Colin).

no mention of struggle yet either. neat guitar player ;)

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

but thinking of Gravity/San Diego bands, Clikitat were always my favorites.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

east coast had ASSFACTOR 4, perhaps the greatest band in this genre.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

the problem with clikitat ikatowa (and lots of the 2nd wavers) is that their records always sounded like shit compared to their live shows. i think jess always mentions their live record.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

sadly i never saw clikitat live. what do you mean by 2nd wave? is the first wave like Three Mile Pilot and John Reis, etc?

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yo, was where was Universal Order of Armageddon actually from? I just fired up the Born Against split again and this shit is pretty DOPE! The 12" on Gravity seems to remind me a lot more of The Convocation of... and The Great Unraveling.

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

baltimore, methinks.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

in san diego emo circles:
1st wave = 89-92
2nd wave = 93-95

"leave" is the best heroin song.

three mile pilot, rftc, drive like jehu were always "indie rock", never "emo" (ie, they didn't play the che cafe every thursday).

heavy vegetable did play the TGs though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

i guess i just got confused because i dont think of heroin or clickitat as emo -- but you must mean emo in the orignal sense of Rites Of Spring, etc.

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

no, gygax, 'with no name' is the best heroin song.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

emo in the "late 80s/early 90s post-hardcore metal/noise with screaming vox" sense.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

I played an Unbroken record at the wrong speed last night and I just thought they were doing sludge metal until like 2 minutes in.

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

i gotchya and the part in "" fits how i place the Gravity scene -- putting the art back into the threadbare beast called hardcore (or at least more than threadbare by then).

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

Universal Order = Severna Park/Baltimore, Maryland.

I forgive you, gygax, because I know you're wrong.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

Is T. Joy doing anything right now?

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link

Uh, is TCO active? Is Vermin Scum active?

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

colin, send me your tapes or whatever.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

Yea, when's the Hated CD discography coming out????????

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, while you're sending people hated stuff...

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah the studio recordings of those clikitat songs sound like a pick-up band playing them. (also, shitty recording.) that live album is nicely atmopheric (lots of space which is an underrated virtue with this sort of thing), and the drumming on, say, "8 hours of drama", doesn't sound like popcorn popping.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

as nice as colin is, i somehow doubt it will top the relevance of the first 2 dag nasty records. plus, i hate reserving judgement on these "the band that time forgot!" reissues that come out 15-20 years later. THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY WERE FORGOTTEN! <= j/k.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

three hundred and thirty seven "the hated" fans can't be wrong! ;-)

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

re: Antioch Arrow. "Gems Of Masochism" got a reissue through Three One G recently... I like that record. I don't think it's the "wrong" album, actually.. just different. Although I do think the "Lady Is A Cat/In Love With Jetts/Plus Extra" CD rocks a lot more.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago) link

haha yeah i've already seen the "gems of masochism" reissue in the used bins at a couple stores (it's not a bad record, really.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

THERE IS A REASON THAT THEY WERE FORGOTTEN!

Because all of their records are out of print?

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

As i just pointed out, Three One G just reissued "Gems of Masochism", and I think Gravity still presses the other Antioch Arrow records.. in fact, they recently repressed a good chunk of their catalog, me thinks.

Actually, my favorite Antioch Arrow song is "Paper Moshay" off "Gems"... they're still the only band to properly fuse the Rozz Williams-over-Rock-Chaos thing very well on that record.. if only the rest of the album was like that, but still, yeah, great record. The earlier ones are powerhouses but get a bit grating and samey after a while, whereas i'm more likely to listen to "Gems" time after time.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

(sorry, Ian, thought you were talking about Antioch Arrow)

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

they're still the only band to properly fuse the Rozz Williams-over-Rock-Chaos thing very well on that record

well, heh, aside from Only Theatre Of Pain of course... minus the chaos.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't nearly all of Gravity's catalog out of print for years or something? Didn't that dude have a junk problem?

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

let's not forget that the dude from portraits of past is/was into meth & wanted by the cops!

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

Don't know what Tonie's up to and don't care, really. I don't think Vermin Scum is active -- doesn't matter, it's not like Tonie ever paid anybody or kept anything in print or even checked to make sure things were mastered at the right speed; he just stole the name and the checks while one of us was having substance problems. There are some differences (as to format, song selection, which takes to use) on the anthology, but everything is mixed and ready for the decisions to be (FINALLY) made. We've been stung by giving out tapes before, but truly devoted people should e-mail me.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

And I do humbly believe that the Hated really were all that.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:35 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't the dude from portraits of past have his kid eat lye or something?

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

STARTIN SHIT WITH THE EBULLITION CROO GONNA GET US SCHOOLED, JON.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

MAYBE THEY'LL ENCASE OUR BODIES IN ENORMOUS BACK PATCHES FOREVER!!!!!!!!

― BICICLETA EMOCIONAL!!! (Jon Williams) (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:54 (twenty years ago) link

What are EARLY HUMANS like?

― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

I LIKE HOW THIS THREAD IS ALL TOTALLY SCREAMO JUST LIKE THE MUSIC! WE JUST GOT TO USE WORDS LIKE "BABY" AND "DESOLATION" AND "SOUL" A LOT MORE!!!!

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

MY SOUL IS BLACK BLACK BLACCK LIK DESSSSOLLEJFLJDLASY (falling over, puking blood.)

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/123103/i-am-going-to-form.gif

― LITTLE LAMB [Jon Williams] (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

is your band called Vincebus Eruptum?

― Ian Johnson (orion), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...

donut bitch is otm about "paper moshay." antioch arrow put on one of the best shows i saw in my high school years, playing at an elks lodge, no stage, no more than 30 people attending 5 feet away from the band (10 years before Lightning Bolt was doing it). the singer was this tiny skinny guy who somehow ended up reminding me of David Lee Roth with his histrionics. great show.

― sherm, Friday, 25 June 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...

10 years before Lightning Bolt did it? I think the first LB show was 1994!

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 12 August 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I forgot how awesome this thread became with the ALL CAPS

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Monday, 25 September 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

OH IRONEE

I'm now ripping through the Antioch Arrow stuff.

I'm trying to I.D. those four bonus live cuts on the In Love With Jetts Plus WAU CD... The first is "Antioch Gold (For You)" and the fourth one is "Chaos vs. Cosmos". I can't figure out the two in between. Also still trying to figure out if those live recordings are at a wrong slower speed, or the singer had gotten a Nick Cave larynx operation. Anyone know what those last four live tracks are?

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I tried searching for this thread a few times with variations on "gothed-out hardcore".

Anyway, Angel Hair = <3

― Sundar, Monday, 2 March 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I need to listen to the Angelhair CD again... I'm glad I never sold off those VSS releases.. they sound a lot better on revisit than I expected.

anyway, I think those four live AA cuts are
Antioch Gold (For You)
The Puppy Love
Space Age
Chaos vs. Cosmos

and I found this live Antioch Arrow footage from 1992-1993 or so.

Elvis wish he had shakier legs

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 01:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Put on VSS' Nervous Circuits two days ago on a drive down the I-5 and it still sounded so, so good.

― bear, bear, bear, Monday, 2 March 2009 05:33 (fifteen years ago) link

so did that Hated discography CD ever come out? I saw them once before Colin, once after, great both times. Used to have the 1st 7" and the tape but stupidly sold them years ago. I'd love to have that stuff on CD especially if as noted above things were mastered at the wrong speed.

― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link

also, search the 1st two UOA 7" singles.

is it even still possible to track down later UOA stuff or Clikitat without paying big bucks on eBay?

― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Order-Armageddon/dp/B00000372U

If you don't mind CD, as far as UOA is concerned. Not really big bucks.

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Unraveling/dp/B00000373Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1236012692&sr=1-1

This is the better CD, IMHO. And seems to be creeping up as collector's item.

I saw Great Unraveling once. They were amazing, although the singer tried really hard to convince self that nobody was there to see his band and seemed to look for an excuse to not play. Never saw UOA.

― System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

thanx Mackro. I saw UoA play for free once (1994?) in Eugene's downtown market square, they were really good and had these awesome low-volume tape loops running in between the songs.

― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/jam-session/2012/jun/07/picture-jeff-cancer-free-anitoch-arrow-guitarist-t/

― etc, Friday, 8 June 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

search heroin's discography cd, containing the best hardcore (punk) record of the 90s. (followed closely by born against's patriotic hymns for children.

search -everything- on gravity records, but esp. the first antioch arrow 12", the angel hair discography CD, the mighty clikitat ikatowi's live CD, the VSS's nervous circuits,the born against/universal order of armageddon split 7", the uoa dub 12", the men's recovery project 7".

non-gravity: the universal order of armageddon and great unravelling 12"s on kill rock stars, i guess early unwound counts here, the monorchid, the first rye coalition album.

destroy: humorless/style-less political hardcore inna ebullition stylee, former spazz-core bands copping bowie moves (the rapture, get hustle, etc.), the locust and all who sail her stillborn waters.

― jess, Monday, January 7, 2002 8:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is so otm, if it wasn't ten years ago (and pre-ILX for me), I'd have sworn I wrote this under a different name.

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 10 June 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/32958255/Discography.jpg

picked this up for $5 tonight ... so fucking good, feel like i'm 17 again

― the late great, Thursday, 26 March 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81pHfBGI90A

― the late great, Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:32 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

https://www.thewire.co.uk/audio/tracks/wire-playlist-san-diego-hardcore

― fpsa, Monday, 17 April 2023 15:33 (one year ago) link

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