where is the love for JOHNNY WINTER AND?

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i went to high school in the late seventies with malibu kids who listened to johnny winter, ten years after, zeppelin, and robin trower more or less exclusively.

dan (dan), Saturday, 26 February 2005 01:54 (nineteen years ago) link

is robin trower one of the erzatz mid-70s hendrixes?

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

like mahogany rush!! (i'm NOT doing to do a thread for them, that wd be silly)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, robin trower is one of them. a mahogany rush thread would be too silly.

dan (dan), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

'doing to do a thread for them'!

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i already did that shit

Frank Marino - Mahogany Rush - C/D - S/D

LaToya JaXoN (JasonD), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:38 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "betty boo just doin the du" wz played at the final club freaky trigger geeta!! it is still bouncin round my head

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 26 February 2005 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Earlier this week, guit-steel virtuoso Junior Brown told me that he thinks Johnny Winter was in the same league as Jimi Hendrix:

"There´s not a lot of Jimi Hendrix songs that I particularly like as music. I kind of think of them mostly as a jam. I don´t think he ever got where he wanted to go. He was short-circuited along the way by various things. For instance, "Wind Cries Mary," that´s a good song. But I don´t think it´s a masterpiece. "Little Wing," I think, is a little better. These are none of the songs that I´d be interested in doing.

"Foxy Lady" is the only one I´ve ever covered, and that sort of takes me back to another band that used to play that song that I used to enjoy called the Frantics. And it was good. They´d open their show with it. So I´m remembering the way they did it. But like I say, I´m not knocking Hendrix, I´m just not saying that he´s the guy. As far as I´m concerned, I got more from other guitar players here and there.

I did get a lot of influence from him as far as the approach to guitar. And what you can do with the guitar. And early on, let´s face it: None of those English cats could touch him. Jimi Page or (Eric) Clapton or (Jeff) Beck. None of them. Those guys, he had them all in his rear view mirror.

There was only one guy that I even thought came close to him, and that was Johnny Winter. In his prime. That´s the only cat that I´d put in the same league."

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7pkP-UjJI

lol at "Junior Weels"

Incident At Spanish Harlem (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 17 July 2014 06:58 (nine years ago) link

RIP Johnny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EsPjMFZixk

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 July 2014 11:12 (nine years ago) link

TRACE PAPER FLYING WORD
TRACE PAPER FLYING WORD BREAK
CITY SKOOT HI
CITY SKOOT HI ALERT
KILL US YR SKUM FIGHT BLOOZE
KILL US YR SKUM FIGHT BLOOZE BLUES
JOHNNY WINTER
JOHNNY WINTER NO SHOW

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 17 July 2014 12:32 (nine years ago) link

saw this dude about 9 years ago, honestly impressed he made it another 9 years. his early records are great, rip.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 July 2014 12:37 (nine years ago) link

Heard this first, made hearing Dylan's version a let down for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yclRjptWlW8

juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link

I never did see him play. He just did a blues fest near me in late June (at least I THINK he played, I didn't go) and had a full slate of world touring slated this summer/fall. Yeah, reaching 70 is kinda surprising, all things considered. RIP.

Both jaunty and authentic (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:16 (nine years ago) link

Weird I have never heard one of his records (heard some of his stuff w/ muddy waters). Where to begin with him?

tylerw, Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link

progressive blues experiment

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

I've never heard one of his records either but that OGWT version of 'Jumping Jack Flash' blew me away with its verve, energy and (somehow) absurdity.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 July 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link

"(somehow)" -- that would be his shirt.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link

No one made the Firebird cooler, RIP

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link

Johnny Winter was cool. All his 70s records are worth hearing if you like blues rock. Only knock you could really say is that he was not as good at songwriting as he was at playing guitar and singing, but the guy was a really great at interpreting other people's material. Really his later records are still pretty good too, it's just they are more blues than rock and just don't have the manic intensity of the earlier bands. Those late period Muddy Waters records he produced are great and a couple of those tracks are probably among the most known by Muddy, as they have been used on TV and in movies so much (especially Mannish Boy).

The guy had a hard life. From what I have read, he lived through more than a few harrowing times. It's good he got out of his last daze with his old manager, got a bit more healthy and got to go play out quite a bit in his last few years. Johnny Winter lived to write the song "Still Alive and Well" in the early 70s after surviving Heroin, so getting to age 70 considering all of his other health problems is notable. I'm sure now there is a pale guitar slinger out on Highway 61. RIP Johnny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdB3msFJWyM

earlnash, Thursday, 17 July 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link

RIP Johnny winter. Any Allmans fans out there have to listen to the Mountain Jam from the Atlanta Pop Featival 1970 (disc 2) where Winter sits in with the Brothers. It absolutely slays. This guy could really bring it.

Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Friday, 18 July 2014 03:57 (nine years ago) link

RIP, whitest of the white bluesman

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 18 July 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

I kind of wish Johnny Winter had done some more of this total Dylan pastiche type pop songs. In a weird way it reminds me a bit of Malkmus in the way it's sung too on the title lyric line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue-4XF8NQ9I

earlnash, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link

There's a wild, 'throw everything at the wall' quality to those mid-'60s Winter recordings: Swamp Pop balladeering; Rascals/Mitch Ryder-style white boy R&B bangers; straight-up Nuggets Garage; and Folk Rock Dylan pastiches like that song. Unfortunately, there isn't many of any of those, as they were all cut as singles, the failure of each determining a new approach (or even stage name) for the next one.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link

was "avocado green" actually released at the time, or did it just appear later on compilations ?

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link

It looks like it was cut in '66, and first appeared on a cash-in comp in 1970.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

yeah seems like it. i thought maybe there was a chance it saw a release on 45, like as The Pink Walrus Certainty or something

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

"Avocado Green" by Brownie Pitts & the Guac Party

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

The Guacamole Conservatory

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link

Cicadelic put out a fairly exhaustive Winter '65-'68 anthology a few years ago: http://www.cicadelic.com/Byrds%20Can't%20Row%20Boats.htm

Here's a good piece from '94 on Winter's producer during that mid-'60s period, the notorious dirtbag & rip-off artist Roy C. Ames: https://www.houstonpress.com/news/a-hard-case-of-the-blues-6572947

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

cool, thanks for that

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

here's a roy ames joint with johnny on lead guitar. and dig the fuzz bass !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1KW4z9kVU&feature=emb_title
the great believers - comin' up fast pt. 1 (cascade 1970)

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1KW4z9kVU

budo jeru, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link

I've got the Winter Essentials '60-'67 2-disc on Fuel. I was even able to get it signed at in-store he did one of the last times he was in town (maybe <the> last time). He was in pretty rough shape, hunched over in a chair behind a table, a little wizened longhair albino in a big black hat, looked like he came straight from Lord of The Rings.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 August 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Glam-ass Johnny in '74.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxLTZMIJtmw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqhrIXj0wEI

Everything that is right and wrong about Classic Rock is in this footage

^new borad description

Holly Godarkbloom (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 20:48 (ten months ago) link

Everything that is right and wrong about Classic Rock

...would have required a guest sax or synth solo from brother Edgar.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 02:56 (ten months ago) link


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