Do any blacks like The Doors?

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I was getting the thrid degree from a record store sales buddy the other day over my indifference towards Steely Dan. "Black people can listen to that music," he said, before ribbing me for my tolerance of Jim Morrison, "No black people at all ever listen to The Doors... ever!"
Was he speaking the truth?

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Did this buddy of yours have a 'property of N. Hornby' stamped on his head?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/blog/images/jay-z.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"blacks"

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

TV On The Radio have that one song that implies a fondness.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Why does black people never want to rock?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, well a whole bunch of different people covered 'Light My Fire' if that helps.

Always wondered what Arthur Lee thought of Jim Morrison.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

They moved their shows to a more fashionable club, "Whiskey a Go Go", and it was there that "Love" band member Arthur Lee convinced Jac Holzman of Elektra Records to sign them up.

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

There's some truth to this. Steely Dan does cross the line far more often than The Doors ever have.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ahem....

http://www.bide-et-musique.com/images/pochettes/4751.jpg

― Amiii Stewart (Amiii Stewart), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Greg Tate and Vernon Reid have a dialogue piece in Everything But The Burden called "What Steely Dan Has To Say To The Black Man" or something.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Doors and so does my dad. And we're pretty brown last time I checked.

― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Candicissima, you've been overruled by...

THE RECORD STORE SALES GUY!

(A fiendish villian.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

THE RECORD STORE SALES GUY!

He lives in an intellectual mansion, and you do not.

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

do any whites like the doors? that's what i want to know.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He lives in an intellectual mansion, and you do not.

That rat bastard.

do any whites like the doors? that's what i want to know.

I know some Greens who do.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

er, kanye west's 5 to 1-sampling beat for the takeover by jay-z to this possibly stupid thread.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha. Dammit. Curses! Foiled by the Record Store Sales Guy. He took away my race card!

― Candicissima (candicissima), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Roll a saving throw against psionic goofball attacks from him. (Use magic missile spells as appropriate, though actual physical missiles might be more satisfying.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Black people can listen to that music," he said, before ribbing me for my tolerance of Jim Morrison, "No black people at all ever listen to The Doors... ever!"
Was he speaking the truth?

What point was he trying to make?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

...point?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

what point were you trying to make with cover connections?

*ducks*
*runs*
*hides*
*holes up with nirvana and black flag records*

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

who gives a shit if black people do or dont like the doors? jim morrison probably didnt like black people.

― blahbariantheoriginal, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

what point were you trying to make with cover connections?

My answer would be that originality is in short supply. And I didn't start the first ever Cover Connections thread, so whomever did might have a different answer for you.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

it's possible he was trying to compliment their distate for honky bullshit

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

With the arguable exception of "Peace Frog", it's pretty true that the Doors were greatly lacking in the funk department, if that lends the concept any creedence.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

...begging the question....Do any blacks like Creedence?

::bad joke::

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)
alex, i was joking.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

distaste, I mean. gah, I thinking about the fact that Greg Tate probably loves the Doors and there you go.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I know. I ain't mad at'cha.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I got in trouble for asking this very same question on another thread, but here I go again. Regarding whether or not Africa-American music fans appreciate the music of The Doors.....

Does it matter?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

No one should like the Doors.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Why not?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They are, quite possibly, the worst band ever.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Brainwasher's point is a valid one.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the doors were samoan...

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Loved the Doors as a kid. Now find ~~them~~ Jim Morrison cringe-makingly embarassing.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

greg tate is one guy! just one! of course he prob likes the doors, he likes rock music! but thats one guy!

― blahbariantheoriginal, Friday, 20 May 2005 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually read this yesterday:

2004 Associated Newspapers Ltd.
DAILY MAIL (London)

June 19, 2004

It was on his film course that Morrison met fellow student Ray Manzarek, a pianist who wanted to form a rock band. Morrison, with his dangerous charisma, now fuelled by daily doses of LSD, seemed like the ideal front man.

Manzarek introduced him to the drummer he'd recruited, John Densmore. The serious, sensitive Densmore was so scared of the new arrival that he developed a skin rash on his legs that went only when Morrison died.

On one early outing, he dropped the singer at the apartment of an attractive female student and went off to fetch some apple juice.

When he returned, he found Morrison twisting the girl's arm behind her back, whispering violent threats in her ear while popping open the buttons of her blouse with a carving knife.

'Just having a little fun,' Morrison smirked, releasing the girl's arm.

Densmore was left in shock, gripped by the thought: 'I'm in a band with a psychotic.' He asked the group's fourth recruit, guitarist Robbie Kreiger, if he thought Morrison was crazy.

'Yeah,' Krieger answered. 'He could also be a star. A big star. Don't the two go together sometimes?'

― PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The Doors had enough decent tracks that they could make a good "best of" comp, even though the albums sucked for the most part. They aren't even anywhere near the bottom.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

speaking as a white, i dislike the doors.

― lauren (laurenp), Friday, 20 May 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

C'MAWWWN!

― MORRISON WAS A SHAMAN (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a singles collection of The Doors on vinyl somewhere that is awesome. "People Are Strange", "American Woman" and "Riders On The Storm" are good enough for me.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"american woman"?

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"american woman" covered by lenny kravitz a black person who obviously liked the doors? THAT "american woman"?

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

They are, quite possibly, the worst band ever.
-- The Brainwasher (bornliveddie...), May 20th, 2005 5:30 PM. (Twilight) (later)
Brainwasher's point is a valid one.

-- Johnny Fever (--...), May 20th, 2005 5:31 PM. (johnny fever) (later)

Wow that brainwashing shit's fast.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that "American Woman".

Also, haha Omino!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

that story about Jim Morrison will never convince me he was dangerous. a shaman in black leather? more like tofu dipped in black licorice.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Would the taste improve if he was stir-fried in teriyaki sauce?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Do any "blacks" like Skynyrd?

― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 May 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 27 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

It's PERFECT for strangling the color-blind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Ned, I missed the part in the thread where Skynyrd was first referenced and didn't realize your Kandia comment was related to that. I thought you just popped in and were speaking generally. Apologies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

All is well. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

x post

hehehehehehehehe

― TV's Mr Noodle Vague (noodle vague), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The question is, do any white people like the Doors?

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 20 May 2005 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"His three sidemen rocked almost as good as the Stones. Without him they were nothing." - Robert Christgau

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck Ray "Baby Elephant Walk" Manzarek

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"An American Prayer, the best recitative sluice of American literature on LP since Call Me Burroughs" - Lester Bangs

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

LESTER BANGS WUZ BLACK???

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

(See Alfred's question.)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

STAY ON TARGET

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"A landmark worthy of dancing in the streets" - R. Meltzer on L.A. Woman album

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The Doors POX! 'Cause You Know You Can!

― dan. (dan.), Friday, 20 May 2005 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Saint Etienne dont' like The Doors--does that count?

[About "People Get Real"]

This song is about Kenny Thomas, "a fake soul singer who used to be a boxer", apparently.
Trivia
The song was originally titled Kenny Get Real. It was going to be an a-side in itself, but Creation decided it wasn't commercial enough, so Join Our Club was recorded as well.
Here's the band talking about the track, shamelessly pinched from Melody Maker:

Bob:
It's about the way that when people stick to a certain kind of music, like acid jazz, or soul, they're considered "authentic" and real. People being really po-faced about stuff getting taken seriously, whereas, if you don't take yourselves too seriously, everyone takes that at face value and thinks you're superficial.

Like The Doors, who everyone thinks are great, but they're absolutely preposterous, total shit - and then you think of The Lovin' Spoonful, who were far more imaginative and wrote way more inventive songs, and they're regarded as some kind of comedy group! If you go for this ridiculous "authenticity" thing, you're allowed to get away with anything.

Pete:
That Jamiroquai song where he goes "sex-ee / lay-dee" - if we'd written that, we'd have been chased down the street!

Bob:
By sexy ladies. People would've come up to us and said, "I think I'm gonna squeeze ya."

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

c'mon, the Lovin Spoonful ARE a comedy group

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

this reminds me that I have about five Doors LPs that need sellin'

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but so are the doors! 'father, i want to kill you .... mother, i want to .... AGHGHGHGGHGHGHGHGHGHHGHGHGHGH' is their best and most hilarious moment.

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a friend in high school who thought that part of the song was "intense"

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

no one gets deadpan anymore, *sniff*

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is just stereotyping black people as not liking crap.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

hurting wins. tell that to the music clerk guy

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

INDIANS SCATTERED ON DAWN'S HIGHWAY BLEEDING
GHOSTS CROWD THE YOUNG CHILD'S FRAGILE MIND

TRUTH!

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i mean I knew a black Rusted Root fan in college.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

xypost: b-b-but the record sales guy IS black!

― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I met a black guy who loved the Eagles once. Actually, I met him on a PATH train late at night, and he had his discman, with an Eagles CD in it, and out of nowhere he handed me his headphones and asked me whether I thought the song playing was Glen Frey or Don Henley.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That story isn't really relevant at all, and it doesn't even really matter that the guy was black -- I just think it's a funny story.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

there should be an 'everybody secretly likes the eagles' thread

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

For serious. It wasn't until recently that I realized it.

― Sundar (sundar), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no such secret.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no shame re: my Eagles obsession (I'm like the cab driver in "Big Lebowski" up in this bitch). I am, however, super over some aspects of this and other threads

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

do any irish like Blur

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.acurrentaffair.com/images/57/today_show_sized.jpg

Friday, May 20, 2005

Acid rocker Jim Morrison died in Paris on July 3, 1971. Or did he? Tonight, A CURRENT AFFAIR investigates rumors that the Doors’ legend is still alive. In this exclusive story, we’ll travel from L.A. to San Francisco to the Pacific Northwest where Morrison allegedly lives today. We’ll talk with Doors’ insiders, including keyboardist Ray Manzarek, who shares his memories of the singer, who may – or may not – have died at the age of 27.

http://www.acurrentaffair.com/showdetail.php?eid=57

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Do any necrophiliacs do Jim?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.ioffer.com/img/1113634800/_i/6459390/1.jpg

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Will this david chappelle misquote help?

"all this time i thought i liked fried chicken because it TASTED good...and it turns out i'm genetically predisposed to liking fried chicken."

― deej., Friday, 20 May 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

a good article
http://www.granatino.com/sdresource/burrough.htm

― noizem duke (noize duke), Friday, 20 May 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Lots of people like The Doors, some (but extremely far from most) of which are black.

Lots of people (black and white) are rather indifferent towards The Doors, one of which is me.

More interestingly, how many blacks like The Beatles? (and I am not speaking of their more stereotypically soulful numbers such as "Got To Get You Into My Life" here)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"how many blacks like The Beatles?"

2,564,908. Give or take a hundred.

― Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 21 May 2005 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

black people love "light my fire." nothing else needs to be said on this subject.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Crystal Ship"

― jack cole (jackcole), Saturday, 21 May 2005 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

From duke's link: 'After hearing their music, Burroughs decides that Steely Dan will never make it to the top of the rock pile. "These people are too fancy," he says. "They're too sophisticated, they're doing too many things at once in a song." He refers to the literary racket. "To write a bestseller, you can't have too much going on," he says. "You take The Godfather, the horse's head. That's great. But you can't have a horse's head on every page. These people tend to have too many horses' heads."'

Doors = 1/3 horses head

― J.Grauerholz, Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Why the Doors? Aren't there groups that have a lot fewer black fans? I don't think they're that exclusive.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Saturday, 21 May 2005 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Do any blacks like ELP?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet Jethro Tull have fewer black fans. Just a hunch.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 May 2005 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently Babyface likes the Doors, as he was wearing a Doors shirt on American Idol. That's two strikes against him.

― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 26 May 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Just because several black artists covered "Light My Fire" doesn't mean that the Doors were big with African-Americans...hey, it was a popular song and everybody just rushed to get their version out on the market.

― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Thursday, 26 May 2005 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

jackie wilson's 'light my fire' is phenomenal

also - nobody has mentioned the jimi hendrix / jim morrison bond

― chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 26 May 2005 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

With the arguable exception of "Peace Frog", it's pretty true that the Doors were greatly lacking in the funk department, if that lends the concept any creedence.
They make up for it with their light understanding of jazz and their penchant for blues. Also, if Jim Morrison was still alive, he'd be some kind of weird rap-rocker by now.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 26 May 2005 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 May 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

and as for the silly question that started this thread...
Yes. There always is.
Any question that is parsed "Does any $RANDOMETHNICGROUP like $RANDOMMUSICALACT ?" the answer is always Yes.
If you look hard enough, you can find a Rabbi who digs Guns and Roses, a Black Guy who likes Skrewdriver and a devout Catholic who digs Sinéad O'Connor.
Alright!?

I dunno. I always wondered if Axl Rose was actually living out the life that Jim Morrison would have lived had he, you know, lived. (ie rises to the peaks of success, spends rest of life being slowly eaten alive by own ego etc). But then I think about a lot of strange things..
I know that the cliché is that Jim Morrison would be a Fat-Elvis flavoured lounge singer if he were alive today, but I like being an optimist and assume he'd be more interesting. Even if it made for suckier music. Y'know, MC Snakerider on track and comin' at ya.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 26 May 2005 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

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