fat possum - C or D?

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are their blues artists genuinely good? or are they just thought to be good cos theyre old, black, living in the south, and playing acoustic blues guitar?

fatcat, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

lots of 'em play electric blues guitar too

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Having played with some of them, I can tell you that, while their range is not the widest, their understanding and mastery of what they do is the deepest there is. I haven't bought any of the newest stuff, but anything from late 90s to '02 is stellar.

T-Model Ford is a BAD man. BAAAAAD.

Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

they also have entrance. who is white. electric. freaked out. and just plain excellent.

b b, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw Nathaniel Mayer this weekend. He's not living in the South nor playing acoustic guitar, but his raw soul revue (backed by Detroit garage rockers The Fabulous Shanks) had me smiling. I also saw a totally amazing Junior Kimbrough drone-fest before he passed away. I'm not as familiar with the recorded product, but those were two great shows.

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic!

I'm big fan, considering I own over 90% of Fat Possum releases. Virtually nything by Junior Kimbrough ranks amongst the best post-war electric blues albums.

R.L. Burnside's "Too Bad Jim" is another classic. I'm not overly fond of the majority of his albums since that one.

I'm partial to Cedell Davis' atonal, wonky slide playing (using a knife!) and the Elmo Williams with Hezekiah Early is some of the best jukejoint skronk you'll ever hear.

Paul "Wine" Jones is pretty damn good too. Rocks the Wah-Wah and creates quite the squall.

The Dave Thompson record is pretty good, too, if you like nasty, stinging Chicago-style blues.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Nathaniel Mayer! Love that man's voice!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Ass Pocket of Whiskey is great...

I think Judah Baur's band 20 Miles is really underrated....also, what was that Drum n Fife group Fat Possum put out???

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Birdman put out an Othar Turner record called "Everybody Hollerin' Goat".

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

SHIMMY SHE WOBBLE

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

In reference to Othar Turner, I don't think Fat Possum has ever released a Fife and Drum record. That may be the one you're thinking of?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

some f.p. stuff is better than others, but ultra-classic overall thanks to their consistently recording jr kimbrough in his last years.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the Junior Kimbrough stuff can't be touched. All that MOANIN.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

which Kimbrough album is the recommended first purchase?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I would recommend getting "All Night Long" first. If you like that, pick up "Sad Days and Lonely Nights" too.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

All Night Long is fucking excellent. there is some GREAT stuff on fat Possum (though a handful of dubious or just plain dull releases).

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link

FP is the ultimate in rockism no?

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm partial to Junior's "Most Things Haven't Worked Out" meself. the title alone is fantastic.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

well, most things don't work out!

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Fact of the matter is, all Kimbrough releases are excellent. I'm just really partial to the first two because they sounded like they came from Pluto when I first heard them.

Space blues!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

not rockism, bluesism. i guess. i'm getting sick of that word, "rockism." can we have a moratorium?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

and yeah, i'd go with "all night long" as a first purchase.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

bluesism = rockism since 1969, theyre virtually inseperable, blues has been viewed through rock coloured lenses for about 40 years

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not sure i follow you exactly... can you go into a bit more detail?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link

rock critics have been the main curators of blues for at least 30 years, blues has effectively been reevaluated over the past few decades by rock critics and fans and artists, not blues critics, fans or artists, mainly because the two are so entertwined now, despite rock and blues belonging to different worlds, people, eras, and despite having some commonalities, having different priorities.

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I do not understand nor approve of your restrictive categories of genres and their respective of critics, fans, artists.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(strike the "of" in that last phrase there)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i think there are still lots of blues critics/scholars outside of the rock world. if anything i think some of the folklorist concern for "authenticity" and such seeped into the rock arena in the 60s and 70s (where it is mostly misplaced).... the founding moments of rockism maybe?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet most people that consider themselves big fans of "blues" in 2005 would fucking hate most Fat Possum records.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect that what bluey is really implying but it is too polite to say outright is that all of us Fat Possum lovers are really only listening to this stuff because of its perceived "authenticity" (as in "my blues are REALER than your blues, Mr. Clapton") and not because we actually, you know, enjoy listening to dirty, droney guitars and lots of moanin and hollerin.

For me the closest reference points for this music is not rock at all, it's African music - specifically stuff from Mali (Ali Farka Toure, etc.) and Ethiopia. Oddly, counter to Matt's point (which I nonetheless think is largely accurate), fat Possum has been a bit of a bonding point between me and one of my in-laws who is a TOTAL hardcore, relatively "purist" blues/folk afficionado (he likes Ali Farka Toure too).

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"I bet most people that consider themselves big fans of "blues" in 2005 would fucking hate most Fat Possum records."

you mean, they would probably like blues rock like the white stripes et al, but hate actual blues?

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm saying that most people - and this is based on my experience as a Midwesterner - who are into the "blues scene" are largely lapsed classic rock fans into the Clapton-derived stuff...Stevie Ray Vaughan and Robert Cray being the other two of the holy trinity....Go to a Ribfest or some outdoor street dance....They'd think that the Fat Possum stuff was a bunch of shittily played noise and the White Stripes were some kinda new wave fags....They'd probably tell you to check out Los Lonely Boys or something.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I know the type - I'm lucky in that my in-law was raised by beatniks, so he's coming more from the boho-coffeehouse end of things (and as such is also big into folk, bluegrass, old-timey country, etc.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

this is snobby, but in my mind those sort of people just don't exist. i mean people who buy the shit blues releases on rounder and adore clapton and stevie ray as "blues guitarists" etc.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

M@tt He1geson is OTM.

The average blues fan in 2005 maybe dabbles in some modern West-Side purveyors (Magic Slim, Eddy Clearwater), but more than likely gets down to Ronnie Earl and Duke Robillard.

Not that there's anything wrong with any of those artists per se, but the average Fat Possum artist is a great deal more rural and tonally "rough".

From my experiences, a lot of blues fans are elitist pricks. The 40-somethings who buy Black Top releases and look down their nose at you when you attempt to chat them up about the genre. This is from years of working in record stores, playing in blues clubs and jams, etc.

The above don't listen to Fat Possum records.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

And of course the types described by Matt above. The classic rock guys who get woodies over Jimmy Thackery guitar solos.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

GO see Nathaniel Meyer if you ever get the chance. Amazing.

Two ex-Compulsive Gamblers in the backing band, as well.

JAS, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

"I suspect that what bluey is really implying but it is too polite to say outright is that all of us Fat Possum lovers are really only listening to this stuff because of its perceived "authenticity" (as in "my blues are REALER than your blues, Mr. Clapton") and not because we actually, you know, enjoy listening to dirty, droney guitars and lots of moanin and hollerin.
For me the closest reference points for this music is not rock at all, it's African music - specifically stuff from Mali (Ali Farka Toure, etc.) and Ethiopia. Oddly, counter to Matt's point (which I nonetheless think is largely accurate), fat Possum has been a bit of a bonding point between me and one of my in-laws who is a TOTAL hardcore, relatively "purist" blues/folk afficionado (he likes Ali Farka Toure too)."

well, i feel a bit guilty for admiting it but yes, that is exactly what i meant shakey. im not trying to be contentious or agitate, but a lot of people do seem to hold that view of authenticity over anything else. they seem to like the idea of what it represents more than how it actually sounds. and you are OTM about mali music being a close ref point. thats always been evident to me.

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

well a few of the f.p. lps do suck. but some are pretty good. the kimbrough ones are in a class by themselves. but then, he didn't need to be "discovered," he had just sort of been hangin' around, lazily trying to get the attention of various labels for about 30 years before robert palmer but together the sessions for "all night long."

i think most f.p. fans (if any "f.p. fans" truly exist outside of matthew whathisname who runs the show) will have encountered the "you only like it cos it's REAL man" complaint so many times as to be pretty self-conscious about it. in others bluey i think you might be conjuring up a bit of a straw man.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Honestly, I liked the Fat Possum stuff cuz it reminded me of noisy mid-90s stuff I was listening to, not cuz I really even like or know anything about the blues...it made sense more in context with like Gaunt or Jon Spencer or US Maple or whatever rather than, like, a Jeff Healey song.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

there's definitely some less than stellar material in the Fat Possum catalog, but Junior is rightly revered. But I'd put all the T-Model stuff and most of RLs close behind (tho RL has had some lapses in quality too, for sure). The Elmo Williams/Hezekiah Early LP is great, one of my favorites from start to finish. Cedell is cool, but the one I listen to the least. Usually its T-Model I listen to the most, he's got a feel that's more fiery and less plaintive than Junior.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Fat Possum simply because I was astounded to find a bunch of artists making records unaffected by "Alligator" syndrome. In the early 90s, Alligator had turned into a plastic factory, churning out over-produced gobs of cruddy blues.

To me, Fat Possum was just a giant fuck you to slap bass and glossy, reverbed production. It was exciting, in the same way Sun/Chess/Trumpet/Jewel records from the 50s and 60s were exciting.
Dirty, ominous, and dangerous.

I see where Bluey is coming from. I just think that from the vantage point of someone who grew up in a household where virtually all you heard was blues, Fat Possum was a giant breath of fresh air.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember going to see RL Burnside, and this was before I had finally realized that stated start times for sets on the First Ave schedule are always like 2 hours before the show actually starts....So, I was hanging around by myself drinking by the front door, and saw this old black dude, middle aged 70s rock dude, and a young black guy in big shorts and an Ice Cube "Predator" shirt come to the door....two of them had guitar gig backs over their shoulders and the kid had a stick bag....Of course, after much heated discussion and confusion with the door guy, it was, in fact, RL and co. coming right off the street to play the show...I think they just plugged into rented amps and went at it....

during the show RL kept saying the joke, "Waitress, get me another beer, this one has a hole in it!" to much applause....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the guy in the Ice Cube shirt was RL's kid (or grandson even maybe)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

you mean, they would probably like blues rock like the white stripes et al, but hate actual blues?

BLUES HAMMER

xpost: nephew

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I heard tons and tons of blues in the '90s, went to Chicago Bluesfest a few times, and after awhile I stopped caring because everything I was hearing was this clean, crisp, by-the-numbers blues music. And while occasionally an artist would rise above the mediocrity and release a solid album despite the label affiliations (Alligator and Telarc especially, argh), for the most part it was just a bunch of competent, watered-down west side blues, with slick production removing some of the elements that made the music interesting in the first place. People would talk on and on about Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters, but really Buddy Guy was the musician who most influenced Chicago blues, perhaps because he outlived everyone else! It wasn't even by the '90s, really; by the '70s it was all westside blues style, long on tasteful guitar solos and short on rougher edges. Some of the guys were great, like Son Seals and Fenton Robinson and Luther Allison, but even their work got less inspired over time.

so hearing Fat Possum (and some other underground blues labels) was definitely an eye-opener. yeah, most of my friends from high school who were big into the blues are probably still into Stevie Ray Vaughn and Duke Robillaird and Keb Mo, and I totally understand the distaste for that style. And I agree with it!

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, you see me laughin - the DVD - C or d? im wondering whether to buy it. ive heard mixed reviews of it.

bluey, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

a ass pocket of whiskey is the best thing the JSBX have been involved with. so scuzzy!

there are twelve people in the world the rest are haitch (haitch), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Gear

Those 70s Son Seals and Fenton Robinson LPs are so raw! Live and Burning is probably my favorite live album of all time.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Somebody Loan Me A Dine and the Son Seals live album are NUTS, I love them! bad examples to cite, I should have made them sound better.

Luther Allison went through this weird "soul" period in the mid-70s that was pretty weak, which springs immediately to mind. He found the plot again a little bit in the mid-'90s, it's a shame he passed away too early. I saw a show of his a few months before and it was definitely RAW

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Just saw the You See Me Laughing documentary and am inspired to drop a C note on some Fat Possum stuff. I already have a lot - almost every Junior Kimbrough album, RL's Too Bad Jim and Ass Pocket of Whiskey, the Elmo and Hezikiah album, Robert Belfour, etc. I don't own any T Model Ford, Cedell Davis, Asie Peyton, etc. I was gonna start a S&D thread but I know starting new threads when you can just revive an old one is frowned upon, so...help me out! What's essential?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:20 (sixteen years ago) link

S: To Model Ford's "I'm Insane"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:40 (sixteen years ago) link

also Pee Wee Get My Gun and She Ain't None of Your'N

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 January 2008 23:41 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Junior K sill fucking epic

admrl, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link

well, most things don't work out!
-- I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla)

admrl, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 05:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I remember having some conversation where a dude was like, "Fat Possum is some intentionally gritty, tryin to force-fit the rawness of whatever those white dudes runnin shit think the blues is/should be" (or something) and I'm all "no way, most of those guys are just some old poor folks w/ cheap guitars and amps cuz that's what they can afford, and for a long time Fat Possum barely had enough money to record that shit and usually had to wait to put it out cuz they couldn't actually finance it--of course it sounds raw and gritty", and he was all "my bad". I forget where, on the internet someplace most likely...

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think we got into the RL Burnside albums with house beats and whatever.

RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

six years pass...
eight years pass...

Saw a FP t-shirt in the wild today
“Born to Party /
Forced to Work”
I like to switch the nouns around

calstars, Sunday, 10 September 2023 19:11 (seven months ago) link


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