There’s nothing stiff (the presence of Watts and Dzidzornu makes stiffness impossible) nor noodly (ditto Taylor and Keys) about “Knocking.” It’s focused, there’s nothing the least bit tentative about it, and of all the Stones songs Scorsese has used, “Knocking” is the only one (I think?) that he lets play through to its completion.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:21 (one year ago) link
I love the first few minutes of “Knocking,” but not so much when it turns into a stiff, noodly jam… :/― Vexatious litigant (morrisp)
Have been saying this for years. Scorsese wisely used the first part in the trailer for Casino, and it was great; he used both parts for the film, and it dragged.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:27 (one year ago) link
xp I dunno, it sounds pretty stiff to me… the guitar & sax lines not particular good… like it’s not up to the standards of even the weakest Dead jam. Maybe I’m just not coming at it from the right standpoint.
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
(xpost) Think he maybe used the entirety of "Then He Kissed Me" for Goodfellas' Copa shot, but not 100% sure.
― clemenza, Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link
I'm not a fan.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
I dunno, it sounds pretty stiff to me… the guitar & sax lines not particular good… like it’s not up to the standards of even the weakest Dead jam. Maybe I’m just not coming at it from the right standpoint.
Yeah, not a patch on Garcia/Marsalis, right?
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link
This album is so boring
― calstars, Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:45 (one year ago) link
The idea of comparing any music on earth to the Grateful Dead and having the Dead come out on top...
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link
ban calstars
― mookieproof, Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:51 (one year ago) link
Yeah, not a patch on Garcia/Marsalis, right?Don’t know if you’re joking, but “EOTW” on Without a Net is awesome!
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link
(It’s OK for the Stones not to be good at everything they tried…? Fwiw, I also wouldn’t endorse the dead playing Johnny B. Goode or whatever.)
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, 22 January 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
Stop worshipping these guys
― calstars, Sunday, 22 January 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 22 January 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link
god I knew it was a bad idea to click on this thread
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Sunday, 22 January 2023 23:13 (one year ago) link
great, now i bought all this shrine equipment and got the incense going and i can't even use it to worship. built this whole rock n roll wing for nothing
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 January 2023 23:15 (one year ago) link
does anyone agree that mick taylor blows a note in his solo? then repeats the phrase to get it right? the blown note i'm hearing is at 5:32. don't get me wrong -- i love the whole thing; the jam is slinky and cool as could be. it's even cool that they left in the blown note.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5mI6tqm_Q
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link
mick Taylor blows
― calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link
Really! Why is he so canon? He’s a player who gets wax and knows what a 9th is Ohh
― calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 00:55 (one year ago) link
i'd take brian jones or ronnie wood over him but his tenure happened to coincide with their songwriting peak and he filled the spot admirably.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 01:20 (one year ago) link
To balance out my negativity, I will say that “Sway” is some fierceness (my keeper from this album)
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 04:31 (one year ago) link
sway is ilm's very favourite stones track (and also mine)
― mookieproof, Monday, 23 January 2023 04:36 (one year ago) link
Every song on this album is good to great.
― o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, January 22, 2023 4:29 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
could we just not talk about this band for one minute?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
every time those dorks staggered their way through a few chord changes people act like it's "the creator has a master plan" times a billion
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 15:10 (one year ago) link
I hate "You Gotta Move", it's the worst song they released between 1968 and 1972.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 January 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
xp Who, the Dead(?)
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link
does anyone agree that mick taylor blows a note in his solo? then repeats the phrase to get it right? the blown note i'm hearing is at 5:32. don't get me wrong -- i love the whole thing; the jam is slinky and cool as could be. it's even cool that they left in the blown note.
― Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, January 22, 2023 7:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― calstars, Sunday, January 22, 2023 7:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Clifford Brown takes no fewer than FIVE stabs at a phrase during his solo in "What Is This Thing Called Love," and it's beautiful (at 1:59)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_uG7dSGcs
So the question now is, why does calstars hate Clifford Brown so much?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 23 January 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link
I always think I don't like this stuff at all when I'm not listening to it for some reason
My rankings
Pretty great to pretty listenable:1. Can't You Hear Me Knocking2. Wild Horses3. Bitch4. Moonlight Mile5. Sway 6. Dead Flowers7. Sister Morphine8. I Got the Blues
Absolutely fuck off with that delivery:9. You Gotta Move
Possibly the worst song ever recorded: 10. fuck this fucking piece of shit
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 23 January 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link
yeah, it is fucking terrible, that song. i'm not a lyrics guy, or at least barely paid attention to them in the past, but once you recognize what he's singing, on purpose, and that it's a huge hit and they played it for 40 years* it's really, really hard to overlook
*we were talking about this song a while back, i think, and i think i remember it mentioned that they don't play it anymore? (now that they're 150 years old)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
Just relistened this morning. There's not a song I would remove. If I was forced to rank the tracks and put something last, I guess it would have to be "Moonlight Mile", which is probably the one I'd be least likely to listen to as a stand-alone track, but don't get me wrong, it's still a good song, and it's better than good in the context of the album, where it kind of feels like a glimpse of redemption as the first rays of sun peak through the curtains after a long night of doing things that are not great for one's health. Maybe the reason this is my favorite Stones album is because its the most swamp-rock. There's more than a bit of CCR and Fogerty in this album. Jagger even sings "boined" for "burned" in "I Got the Blues". "Brown Sugar" bears some similarity to "Proud Mary". "Dead Flowers" is a bit like "Lodi".
― o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link
yes it's too bad that artists 50 years ago had a different way of expressing their disgust with slavery and imperialism.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
Music's good.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link
Grateful Dead? OTM.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
Hey, I was the one who mentioned the Dead... don't take it out on calstars.
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:29 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
totally agree with this, people who don't like the Dead can deal with it. The Dead aren't for you and that's ok. Love Pharoah but he's doing something totally different
― a (waterface), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
I like the Dead
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
cool. . . so you agree ;)
― a (waterface), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link
i also agree they are dorks and talked about too much so i'll shut up. . .
I just think it might be cool if everyone could calm down not act like they invented improvising.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:38 (one year ago) link
FWIW, I don't think that (and didn't say that)! I'll cop to it perhaps being a lazy off-the-cuff comparison – though I don't think it's out of bounds for a jam on a 1971 rock album.
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:40 (one year ago) link
The Dead seem a lot easier to avoid than the Stones. Like no one is going to force you to listen to a bunch of bootlegs (unless you make poor dating choices)
― George Santos' If I Could Only Remember My Name - C or D? (President Keyes), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
2nd half of CYHMK sounds a lot more like they're trying to sound like Santana than the Dead.
― o. nate, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link
yeah i'd always felt like it was a santana thing. i like it, for what it is, though the first half is so good and tight i wish they'd made it 7-plus min of that.
― omar little, Monday, 23 January 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
It's funny, I looked up the song earlier and saw this Keith quote:
The jam at the end wasn't inspired by Carlos Santana. We didn't even know they were still taping. We thought we'd finished. We were just rambling and they kept the tape rolling. I figured we'd just fade it off. It was only when we heard the playback that we realised, Oh, they kept it going. Basically we realised we had two bits of music. There's the song and there's the jam.
Don't know why he goes out of his way to specify that it WASN'T inspired by Santana(?) Maybe the interviewer suggested that or something
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
I expect it wasn't the first time the comparison had been made.
― A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:48 (one year ago) link
Santana covered the song too
― George Santos' If I Could Only Remember My Name - C or D? (President Keyes), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
The source page for that quote also has Mick saying:
We did this at Olympic and the jam at the end was an afterthought. It comes in two pieces, this rock song with this added jam. It's slightly Carlos Santana-like, Mick Taylor plays a bit of that style, I think. I don't think we meant that, but somehow it added on and I think this was done really quickly, too.
― Vexatious litigant (morrisp), Monday, 23 January 2023 17:50 (one year ago) link
There's a bit of "East-West" in there too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvWvOwLCWGg
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link
I guess it would have to be "Moonlight Mile", which is probably the one I'd be least likely to listen to as a stand-alone track, but don't get me wrong, it's still a good song, and it's better than good in the context of the album, where it kind of feels like a glimpse of redemption as the first rays of sun peak through the curtains after a long night of doing things that are not great for one's health.
Moonlight Mile is my favorite song on the album, though I might like it a bit less now that I just found out the lyric isn't "I'm just living to be dying by your side" which I thought was a cool inversion and Mick/Keith's take on a VU-style drug ode like Heroin.
― Unfairport Convention (PBKR), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link
xps the song is expressing their disgust with slavery and imperialism much like stray cat blues is expressing their disgust with men molesting teenagers and under my thumb is expressing their disgust with patriarchal abuse and midnight rambler etc
I'm pretty sure all this was seen as fucked up at the time - that's what made it edgy - but BS is the kind of thing that would end a band in a just world and the half century of rock fans and critics defending and celebrating it is a repulsive spectacle
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Monday, 23 January 2023 18:56 (one year ago) link