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evan parker recorded an album of his playing with birdsong loops this year, and the new kate bush album i am sure you are all bored of hearing features her singing along with birds (how quirky - ) but i myself have never been able to hear birdsong as remotely musical. is this just me?

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i dunno what the question is other than "is this just me": possibly "at what point was it decided that what birds were doing was 'singing' as opposed to any other activity like 'birdtalk' or 'birdyell'"

also if someone can tell stories about messiaen that'd make me happy.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

theres that great photo of vaughn williams walking through a forest, score in hand and ear cocked upward ready to scrawl down the musical notation of the birdsong he hears. couldn't find it online but found this on the way.

zappi (joni), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

search: cindy

j b goddamnfucking r (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know how to explain to someone why bird songs sound musical, but they certainly sound musical to me.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

At least in part I s'pose because they use repetitive patterns of notes. Now I write that down it looks stupidly obvious, but it's true. "Songbirds" is a specific classification of birds, isn't it? i.e. Only some birds sing. The weirdy midnight crows I've heard cawing round here are more the Merzbows of the bird music world.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Noise birds.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Noize Byrds would be a good band name. Maybe.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

This is taken from a messiaen LP:

I heard the bird at Persepolis, in Iran, one evening, at sundown. It was singing along the bas reliefs of the twin stairway of the Apadana of Darius, the ruins of the columns, and the stones of the hill that close on one side of the landscape. It was a bird that belongs to the ruins and rocks but what bird? I noted its song as a blind man, standing between the advancing shadow and the red and gold glints of the dying sun. Having not seen the bird, and hearing its magnificent song for the first time, I called it "the bird of Persepolis"

its all i got...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link

This is taken from the sleevenotes of a messiaen LP:

I heard the bird at Persepolis, in Iran, one evening, at sundown. It was singing along the bas reliefs of the twin stairway of the Apadana of Darius, the ruins of the columns, and the stones of the hill that close on one side of the landscape. It was a bird that belongs to the ruins and rocks but what bird? I noted its song as a blind man, standing between the advancing shadow and the red and gold glints of the dying sun. Having not seen the bird, and hearing its magnificent song for the first time, I called it "the bird of Persepolis"

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

jim fassett's symphony of the birds works brilliantly as actual music, especially the conclusion of the first movement

http://www.spaceagepop.com/fassett.htm
http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/gallery_m/fassett2.html

I'm still looking for a copy of this one:
http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/gallery_m/fassett1.html

great overview link, mostly summarizing classical music influence, stopping with the first few concrete pieces: http://www.colander.org/gallimaufry/Birdsong.html

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 20 November 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

this whole gallery actually looks amazing

http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/galleries_m_page.html

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 20 November 2005 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't jeff beck record a duet with a bird?

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Monday, 21 November 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Rautavaara's haunting Cantus Arcticus uses birdsong - I absolutely love this piece of music:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00000I7RC/104-1929430-5411947?v=glance&n=5174&v=glance

jz, Monday, 21 November 2005 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Peel used to play a lot of Ronnie Ronalde, a whistler that always incorporated bird impressions into his songs:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/johnpeel/artists/r/ronnieronalde/

"Here he is, the world's greatest whistler... Yes, Ronnie Ronalde has made a career of whistling, plus being a hit singer and yodeller to boot. Starting his career in the 1930s, by 1945 Ronalde had his his own BBC Radio show and received so much fan mail, extra secretaries had to be employed to deal with it. Weekly TV and radio shows and a series of hits on the EMI label including 'Mocking Bird Hill', 'Beautiful Dreamer', 'In A Monastery Garden' and 'If I Were A Blackbird' made him a million seller in the pre-Beatles age. Such was his success in the US in the 1950s, he was even seen as serious competition to Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby. Ronalde has now retired to New Zealand and named his home Whistler's Lodge, but still makes the occasional personal appearances. If you need any more recommendation than that, well... go and whistle."

koogs (koogs), Monday, 21 November 2005 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

David Bagsby has done some interesting things with birdsong. Aviary is the one to look for.

loxmyth (echoinggrove), Monday, 21 November 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/nyregion/tiny-birds-big-drama-inside-the-world-of-the-birdmen-of-queens.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Mr. Harinarain, a heating and air-conditioner repairman from Brooklyn, joined a procession of middle-aged men in fedoras and flat caps, cradling wood poles and cages the size of large shoe boxes, streaming into a pocket-size park in Richmond Hill, Queens, on a recent Sunday morning. The cages were blanketed in white coverlets, some trimmed with lace. Inside each one was a delicate songbird: a chestnut-bellied seed finch native to the northern parts of South America and the Caribbean.

Sundays are race days, though the events are not really races but speed-singing contests. Two cages each containing a male finch, whose fierce calls are triggered by an instinctive desire to woo females and defend turf, are hung on a pole about an inch apart. The birds are judged on the number of songs they sing. The first to reach 50 wins.

Ostensibly, it’s a battle of the birds. But there is just as much grandstanding by their male handlers. Many hail from Guyana, with others from Trinidad, Suriname and Brazil, places where amateurs and professionals line grassy roadsides and town squares, vying for trophies, cash prizes and prestige at tournaments or impromptu matches. Owning a champion, which can be worth as much as a car, also has cachet. Even well-known soccer players have acquired them as status symbols.

But as the finches migrated with their human wards to North American cities, where it is more common to see someone walking a cat than a bird, the hobby has attracted unwanted attention from federal law enforcement. Although it is much gentler than cockfighting, the sport has a seedy side.

Customs agents at John F. Kennedy International Airport began uncovering birds zipped into suitcase linings, sometimes stuffed in toilet paper rolls, or tucked inside socks, pantyhose, or specially tailored pants. The discoveries prompted agents at the United StatesFish and Wildlife Service’s Office of Law Enforcement to start what would become an eight-year investigation, nicknamed Operation G-Bird, that focused on the illegal smuggling of these prized competitors.

j., Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

From the past year, Stella Chiweshe's "Bird Song", where she got everyone at the Funkhaus in Berlin to be a bird. Worth it just for the introduction...

- https://open.spotify.com/album/5RwXNolJAizrkKxhbQCPWE (posted in the Outernational thread)

And in New Zealand wildlife news, Rei's rap song "E Kī" has a TUI SOLO :-D

sbahnhof, Friday, 4 January 2019 06:58 (five years ago) link

I get the 'not musical' thing at the top of the thread, but it's close enough to feel musical to me - like a subset of music or something. I'm sure I read somewhere that the European blackbird comes closest to 'actual music' - close to a major C.

Anyway, it's the return of birdsong that makes this time of year bearable.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 4 January 2019 11:03 (five years ago) link


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