15-60-75 - The Numbers Band - time for its own thread

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I've been going on for years here about how their first record has been along side of me for about 20 years... And you can get just about everything on CD these days.. But I have the feeling this thread won't go very far, since you really can't "get" the numbers without seeing them live, which you can do just about any Friday night of the year if you want to take a trip to Ohio - a place where a lot of experimental punk started, but now whose legacy of that era is almost a cartoon - well, 15-60-75 started all that 35 years ago. Yet they don't sound anything like that. That's why you have to see them to "get" them. On the surface, they're just a blues band that plays the bar scene on weekends for beer money. Well, two things: 1-They're in good company, and 2-Listen again. Again. Again. All of it. Now go listen to your Devo and Pere Ubu records again. You think Peter Laughner was a genious?

At the risk of soiling this thread, I was looking for a place to post the comment that I put on Joni Mitchell's Travelogue this morning and it struck me that "Sex Kills" could have been a Bob Kidney song - and I had to check to see that it wasn't. And tonight I'm going to dig out some old bootlegs to make sure that the numbers didn't do that song last time I saw them. So, maybe that means something to you. I just started this thread so I had a place to write things down occasionally.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

No argument here! I love 'em and rate 'em alongside the best stuff from the period. Two questions: Where do they play? Why do you say cartoon, I'm curious?

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

wicked good...no question.

bobby.lasers (bobby.lasers), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew that if someone agreed with me it would be you, sir!

They play in a few locations around Akron most of the time:
http://www.numbersband.com/schedule.html

By cartoon - I mean the scene is most remembered* for Devo (Revenge of the Nerds) and the Waitresses (Square Pegs) - both of which were incredible bands that had very little to do with High School USA.
(* or maybe "remembers itself") The Pretenders (Brass in Pocket, Back on the Chain Gang and anyway, from London) and Tin Huey (I'm a Believer) - and Cleveland itself - hell, you've been there....

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"since you really can't "get" the numbers without seeing them live"

well i don't know, i "got" the live reissue just fine! I played the hell out of it. I loved it to death and then loved it some more. i can't remember if i put it on my pazz & jop ballot last year, but it shoulda been on there. I think i put the last david thomas album on instead. i have some bad 70's rock album and after hearing the numbers band album i noticed that this other band did a version of jimmy bell's in town and that led me on a google odyssey to discover the origins of that tune. interesting stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Good to know, I'll try to catch them one of these days, though it'll take some effort on my part.
Re 'cartoon' I thought that's what you might be referring to. But does anyone really associate the Pretenders w/ that geographical location? Dunno, but I don't.
xpost

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't know anyone else ever did Jimmy Bell except for Cat Iron (the guy who wrote it.)

But see, without seeing Bob Kidney lead a room full of people into a dark booth in the corner and then turning the table over (metaphorically speaking) .. I can't describe the way "Matchbox Blues Defined" sounds in real life.

xpost - RE: Pretenders - everyone from Akron does.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i do:


MY CITY WAS GONE

I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY CITY WAS GONE
THERE WAS NO TRAIN STATION
THERE WAS NO DOWNTOWN
SOUTH HOWARD HAD DISAPPEARED
ALL MY FAVORITE PLACES
MY CITY HAD BEEN PULLED DOWN
REDUCED TO PARKING SPACES
A, O, WAY TO GO OHIO

WELL I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY FAMILY WAS GONE
I STOOD ON THE BACK PORCH
THERE WAS NOBODY HOME
I WAS STUNNED AND AMAZED
MY CHILDHOOD MEMORIES
SLOWLY SWIRLED PAST
LIKE THE WIND THROUGH THE TREES
A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO

I WENT BACK TO OHIO
BUT MY PRETTY COUNTRYSIDE
HAD BEEN PAVED DOWN THE MIDDLE
BY A GOVERNMENT THAT HAD NO PRIDE
THE FARMS OF OHIO
HAD BEEN REPLACED BY SHOPPING MALLS
AND MUZAK FILLED THE AIR
FROM SENECA TO CUYAHOGA FALLS
SAID, A, O, OH WAY TO GO OHIO

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

She was raised in Ohiya, but seems to me like she became a musician in London. Maybe I don't give the Ohio connection enough credit..!

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh yeah, I know the song. But the one song doesn't mean the band is from Akron, which they're not, which was my point. The lyrics confirm that, too.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Funny & typical that discussions about the numbers band always turn into discussions about the Pretenders!

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

True. I'm talking more specifically about the scene, the community of bands. Of which the Numbers were certainly a part ...

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

How many original members are still in the band?

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I think three - Robert Kidney, Jack Kidney and Terry Hynde. The "newest" member has been in the band for 21 years, I think.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

No shit, that's impressive

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a pretty good history on their website:
http://www.numbersband.com/1970.html The early years history is pretty interesting.

The Akron PBS station did a documentary on the Akron scene a few years ago - I've been looking for a copy of it ever since - I never did get to see it.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob recalls, "I remember the night Tin Huey was signed to a recording contract, they were playing in the club downstairs (at J.B.'s). They were wearing clown masks and had a plastic goose that lit up on stage. I thought to myself, if this is what it takes, forget it."

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Jack stands steadfast with his hands crossed over his harp, starring out into the audience, expressionless. Terry lights a cigarette and waits for his solo. Frank and Frank are locked in. It's all very nonchalant, but there's this intense energy generating all around them, like the eye of a hurricane.

That's a pretty good description. Before they start playing, they're just walking around, talking to people. Then they get up in front and just start going, and it seems like no big deal - the house band has just interrupted your conversation with their band thing. But holy shit, it builds quickly. And it's a pressurized tank, letting out a steady, continuous stream of steam power. And every so often, you can tell that the pressure's getting to an unsafe level, and Bob opens the relief valve .. and that's why you need to experience Matchbox Blues in person. And even though they play almost every week of the year, you can tell they mean it every time.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been meaning to check out that reissue and I still intend to, but I gotta confess I've never had much patience for music that "has" to be experienced live. (Possibly why I'm not a huge Grateful Dead fan. To me, either it works on (audio) recording, or it doesn't. The visual presentation can be a nice bonus, but if it's NECESSARY, then I think you're talking about theatre or performance art (or that communal thing) more than music per se.

Just my opinion.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(Shit, forgot to close that one parenthetical bit. I'll close this one twice.))

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

But it has absolutley nothing to do with the visual performance. They are nothing to look at, so to speak. I just have yet to hear a recording of them that fully captures the power and feel. Not to say that the recordings are bad. And "Jimmy Bell" is incredible. It's not the visual performance that you're missing - it's the interpersonal experience.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

FWIW, Jimmy Bell has gotten heavy play from me and I've never seen them live. I have no doubt that DIY UNKLE knows what he's talking about here, but that shouldn't stop you from checking them out.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"jimmy bell" is perfect perfect boogie

Nick Sylvester, Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, i was just responding to this:

"But does anyone really associate the Pretenders w/ that geographical location? Dunno, but I don't."

and you are probably right. i only think of ohio when i think of C.H., not the whole band. but i kinda consider her the whole band by this point. and i always think of ohio when i think of her. i think of lots of things when i think of ohio. i should really start a bizarros thread. unless there is one. i am not from ohio.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I LOVE bizarros.

In case anyone's interested .. Matchbox Blues Defined:
(Oh, nevermind - I'll have to post later because it's a WAV file & me with no converter.)
..still, doesn't do the song justice - maybe if you turn it up real loud .. (I really wish they could get a better different engineer, maybe..)

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, but I have the disc .. so here it is, bundled with Nine Below Zero ....
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2VBVT3AXBQX2Z14ZRJOMTB2IQM

..also, in reference to scott's comment above - most of their releases have been live recordings, not really planned for release. More like they record and then say, "yeah, that's a decent recording. We can put that out." ..because they aren't really a *recording* band - they're a *live* band... they don't really seem to care much about recording.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Thursday, 15 December 2005 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, well, a conversation is finally sparked. I must agree with DIY UNKLE, 15 60 75 is best experienced live. The band has never had the money to invest in capturing thier live energy onto a studio recording. It's tricky and expensive. The recordings are exactly that, a recording, a moment in time for historical value. Robert is not in it for the money, which is an almost extinct reason to play music these days. The music really is the most important thing in his life (other than his daughter).

I personally enjoy hearing bands play live because the talent is exposed. If a band sounds better on thier recordings than they do on stage, then the recording engineer should be famous, not the musicians!

JCK, December 29, 2005

Janet Kidney, Thursday, 29 December 2005 20:16 (eighteen years ago) link

NE Ohio represent represent

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 29 December 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Just recently got hold of Jimmy Bell and am completely blown away. I played it nearly constantly for a week, and still am reaching for it almost every day. I haven't been so drawn to an album, possibly ever.

The liner notes (and their web site) refer to the audience at the show where Jimmy Bell was recorded as lackluster. This is so hard for me to believe, even given the fact that they were there for Bob Marley. I'm really curious what they sound like these days.

kaygee (kaygee), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

They sound more "mature" but they still rock the fucking house for three hours.

Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

oh.. wish I had seen that Janet Kidney response at the time.

Dave AKA Dave (dave225.3), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

I noticed recently that the first album is on Spotify and have been playing it non-stop lately. Since I'm not likely to make it to Ohio anytime soon, any advice on other recordings worth getting (some seem easier to find than others, Jimmy Bell is the only one I see on Spotify).

dlp9001, Saturday, 25 May 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

Been slow to get on board with "Jimmy Bell's Still In Town" - heard it a number of years ago but it finally clicked. I can't seem to find a CD version of the recent reissue with 9 tracks (3 bonus), unclear if one actually exists though it's listed in Discogs it could be a CDr.

Got the two Hearpen digital singles, they make an excellent complement to the albums seeing as they're recorded by the same lineup.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 14 January 2017 01:45 (seven years ago) link


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