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Because seriously, how goddamn awesome is "Gravitational Arch of 10," all 10 minutes plus of it?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to that record just a few days ago!

Awesome track. One of the few times that the trance and techno fanbases could truly unite around something.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I bought the Vapurspace album and it's extremely irritating in that it's all mixed into one track, I guess due to some early nineties techno-hippy notion that you have "experience" it as whole. But I guess it ties with the content, insofar as it sounds like a techno record made by a prog rock band. For me it sorta harkens back to this teenage nostalgia for an era where the boundaries between different genres weren't yet stiffened, when you could mix trance and techno and ambient and whatever and no one would blink an eyelid. It was also the era trance was still good, before it turned into something quite different.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll also give the guy props for being part of the See the Lights tour because that gig literally changed my life (more so than any other single concert) even though he was the fourth best act on bill.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

While I have two Vapourspace albums, really the best way to hear "Gravitational" (assuming one is not actually somewhere dancing, of course) is as I did it today, starting off the Plus 8 Blueprints for Modern Technology Vol. 2 comp. Problem is it's so good the rest of the compilation just can't get to those heights.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

'gravitational...' is still and will always be one of the best techno records ever made. i wonder whatever happened to mark gage?

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

it's Io, like the moth, not "10," like Bo Derek running across the beach. time to set this self-perpetuating typo straight.

Sweep and the remix triple-pack on Gage's own label (Knob) are severely underrated. and his hard-disk editing skills are unequalled (doubters should check G-Man's Kushti CD and forever hold their peace).

the prog vibe isn't coincidental. see the Gage-edited Knots project, composed using only Gentle Giant samples.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i wonder whatever happened to mark gage?

http://www.vapourspace.com/

Xii (Xii), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

it's Io, like the moth, not "10," like Bo Derek running across the beach. time to set this self-perpetuating typo straight

My vinyl copy (original pressing on +8) defintely says "10".

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

then that must be where the error began. Hawtin fucked up. unless you're saying that Mark doesn't know what title he gave his own record.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (echoinggrove), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

er, yes. i should have done a google. i had the good fortune to meet him several times and he did a couple of (wonderful) remixes for me. he is a lovely, lovely man. his live show was the definition of awesome.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you're saying that Mark doesn't know what title he gave his own record.

Please to switch to decaf. "Io" definitely makes more scientific sense (as well as adding to the imagery etc., prog-rock connections), but using "10" actually makes it sound more uniquely evocative. So both work.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

stir otm, and theres a place in my heart for every faceless prog trance record out there that rips off the gravitational arch beat. the album is mostly filler though.

Yawn (Wintermute), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

What Ned said.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, was the "See the Lights" tour the one with Moby and Aphex Twin? Because I remember seeing this crazy rave era live bill at the Gift Center in San Francisco many many many years ago which was Vapourspace, Aphex Twin, Moby, and, I think, Orbital . . . . god I am OLD. I remember that show being pretty awesome- Aphex was ultra-crunched out and distorted, it was rad.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Not old, merely experienced. (BTW, Drew, so you'll be around in LA on Friday, obviously. ;-) Please check the 'Los Angeles' thread revival!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, nice to see Gage's page there -- this looks like a great way to spend some time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Drew -- that's the one. Vapourspace opened (with "Arch of 1I0o", IIRC), then Orbital blew my mind and made me a fan of theirs for life, Aphex's set was fucked up and LOUD (one of the loudest sets I'd ever seen to that point in my life), and Moby was ... well, fun and efficient.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

unless you're saying that Mark doesn't know what title he gave his own record.

Please to switch to decaf. "Io" definitely makes more scientific sense (as well as adding to the imagery etc., prog-rock connections), but using "10" actually makes it sound more uniquely evocative. So both work.

But the Vapourspace site sez 10 consistently!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, you're right! I guess Mark doesn't know what title he gave his own record. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The contents of that first record have absolutely nothing on SWEEP, which is a completely killer album, made up of actual tracks instead of being THEAMLETHLY MIKTHED which is a massive thumbs-up in and of itself.

Gravitational Arch does not hold my attention NEARLY as well as Gridlock, Sweep, Worm or Steam from the 2nd Album.

And apparently since then all he does is mix and master for people who think it's cool to have your album tracks all mashed together. Whatever pays the bills I suppose.

TOMBOT, Monday, 30 January 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Been a long time since I've heard Sweep, I shall dig it out again. Always liked it, though. Seamless mixing is indeed not always a sign of goodness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 January 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

It's generally a sign of sucking balls through a loopy straw, and a good way to make sure you're never played on the radio or at a party.

TOMBOT, Monday, 30 January 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember hunting that LP out (the vapourspace one). I am going to have to give that another spin. I loved Gravitational Arch of whatver.

gspm (gspm), Monday, 30 January 2006 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i have to admit, i always though gravitational arch was overrated

perhaps i should listen again,

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the few times that the trance and techno fanbases could truly unite around something.

not sure this is right, because, at this point, i dont think this is two separate fanbases

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm ... you might be right. Although if we take the techno side to be Detroit and the trance side to be Rising High et al, then the records were being made by completely disparate groups of people at the very least. The fanbases seemed fairly distinct to me at the time, but of course there was more overlap between them than there is now.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

rising high were a bit weird though

their good records: licensed from elsewhere
their bad records: their own

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

in most european 'techno' clubs at that time you'd hear trance alongside techno. i don't think the fan bases were distinct at all.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

exactly!

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

to me, bonzai records were the beginning of the 'split'

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:14 (eighteen years ago) link

jones and stephenson, in particular!

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

haha ! The First Rebirth is trance opera. I want to see a skit on the level of Bohemian Rhapsody in Wayne's World set to that one.

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

T/S : goosebumps vs. retching
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RSB2DS24Y6KM3H0CO600OCD5M

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

first rebirth=day everything changed

it sounds so...fascist!

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 07:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I was reminded this morning that gridlock off of sweep is the kind of noise I expect to hear when I arrive in the afterlife. Whatever that broken glass/bells sample is doing that polyrhythm that starts off the track, it's great. Actually the whole use of polyrhythm on Sweep is so much better than 99% of techno out there, that's more big numbers up for that album.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

And Sweep is indeed a great album. (Reconfirming rather than suddenly realizing, but Tom's right about "Gridlock.")

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 January 2008 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

Wonderful interview of Gage by Mr. Matos

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/key-tracks-vapourspace-gravitational-arch-of-10

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 November 2014 17:50 (nine years ago) link

I recorded it in one evening. It just kind of happened. It was a complete one-off performance. It was all done live. It wasn’t like I sat down and worked on it for weeks on end. I banged out the drum machine patterns quickly, recorded the sequences into the synthesizers very quickly, and luckily turned on the DAT machine and recorded it. I had Sound Tools, the precursor to Pro Tools, and editing tracks was a big part of my shtick. Typically, I would roll the tape and record and change things live on the fly, and then go back and edit out mistakes or whatnot. The original version of “Gravitational Arch of 10” was much longer than on the first Plus 8 12-inch.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 November 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link

i was not previously familiar with this track but it's a cool interview, especially about how he was never able to top it.

i wonder what exactly he means by 'reverse editing', just reversing the audio on the edit point to smooth things over (rather than crossfading)?

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 20 November 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link

Good interview, but Matos seems to be misinformed about the history of trance, calling "Gravitational Arch" "proto-trance", and saying it was "one of the building blocks of what became trance"... Trance was already in full bloom in 1993, I bought my first trance compilation that year, and it was titled "Trancemaster 6", i.e. there'd been 5 Trancemaster compilations released before that already. The first trance single is arguably "The Age of Love" by The Age Love, and that came out in 1990.

Tuomas, Monday, 24 November 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link


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