― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link
http://visi.com/fall/news/fallnews.html
― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― sixteen sergeants, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link
!!!
― jdsklf, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Xii (Xii), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=558348&in_page_id=1770
A lot to chew on in here
― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
So many classics but HEY LET'S MAKE A POL!!
"To suggest in a magazine read by youngsters that it is a good idea to harm wildlife is both extremely stupid and highly irresponsible."
This is Uncut magazine we ae talking about...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"Crimson Squirrel Concatenator"
― Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
"The group - whose songs include Disney's Dream Debased and DIY Meat -..."
Oh, come on.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
"If he is getting confused and talking about grey squirrels, then killing them without a good reason - eating food put out for them is not a good reason - could also be an offence under certain circumstances."
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
"Running over gulls is also an offence and the RSPCA has prosecuted people for illegal killing of both squirrels and gulls - and would not hesitate to do so again."
― jessie monster, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Mark G OTM. Probably more "youngsters" reading the Daily Mail than Uncut.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.scarysquirrel.org/science/esp/
^^^^ THIS
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/magazine/07squirrels-t.html
Another in the long running series of "Daily Mail takes off-the-cuff MES joke out of context"...
― snoball, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Fair play to those RSPCA guys, tho. Always with the measured response.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
"The group - whose songs include Disney's Dream Debased and DIY Meat - have released 95 albums since forming in 1976."
I know he's prolific, but c'mon he's not Billy Childish.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
if you count live albs and comps, it's about that figure
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
From the comments: "I think a small pinch of salt and a sense of humour is needed." Both are in short supply at the Daily Mail.
― snoball, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
"I don't know what would be worse for Mark E Smith's image - being found guilty of killing squirrels, or the RSPCA finding out he made up the claims."
LOL
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link
"music industry source"
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link
the squirrel looks shocked by all this
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_03/redsquirrelAP_228x378.jpg
― dmr, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
!!___!! o_0
― dmr, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
that didn't work
"The short-tempered punk rocker - said to have been one of Radio 1 DJ John Peel's favourite acts..."
It has been rumoured.
― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
MES vs Glen Benton
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Tufteah!
― Mark G, Thursday, 10 April 2008 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link
championed by legendary DJ Peel who once cited them as his favourite band.
"once"
frontman of heavy metal group Black Sabbath, recently explained how he came to bite the head off a bat
"recently"
love the freshly-bought folds in MES' shirt!
― energy flash gordon, Thursday, 10 April 2008 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link
This has some nice reports of antics: Excuse me, weren't you in the Fall?
― Bill in Chicago, Thursday, 10 April 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Eat Y'self Fitter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlK0Xd4c2c&eurl=http://apiarynews.blogspot.com/2007/03/interview-pinky-of-tv-carnage.html
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Funny how Karl Burns was one of the most famous members of the Fall, after Mark E obv, but hasn't been seen since!
― Mark G, Thursday, 10 April 2008 08:46 (sixteen years ago) link
That daily mail article is the first piece of writing about MES I have ever seen that does not contain even one instance of the word 'curmudgeon'.
― S-, Thursday, 10 April 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
To be fair, that is the picture you see when you look up "curmudgeon" in the dictionary.
― snoball, Thursday, 10 April 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link
haha, via paperthinwalls:
The Fall singer Mark E. Smith faces charges after admitting to killing squirrels in his back yard. Pavement responds by killing not-as-good but far more acclaimed animal.
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 April 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link
what, grey squirrels?
― Mark G, Friday, 11 April 2008 08:21 (sixteen years ago) link
That daily mail article is the first piece of writing about MES I have ever seen that does not contain even one instance of the word 'curmudgeon'
we had a tiny, semi-tongue-in-cheek piece in the paper about him yesterday. i inserted "curmudgeonly" as the second word :)
― grimly fiendish, Friday, 11 April 2008 09:08 (sixteen years ago) link
http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,,2273490,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=10
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 14 April 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
that reminds me, from that guardian article above, when did Bo Diddley "claim" to be a fan of the Fall? Ditto Calvin Klein.
― ryanch, Monday, 14 April 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
that guardian extract is fuckin' awesome. i am begging, borrowing or stealing that book.
or maybe just buying it when it comes out in a couple of weeks :/
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
My ambition at the time was to get a flat, take drugs, and not work.
ha!
― byebyepride, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:43 (sixteen years ago) link
that's still mine, really.
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link
(actually: managed the first bit. just need to work on a way to combine the second and third.)
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 14 April 2008 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Come the mid-70s, I was sharing a flat in Prestwich's Kingswood Road with my girlfriend, Una Baines. I wasn't in love with her, but you're stuck when you're on the dole
cannot fucking wait to read all of this. he seems to cover a good 20 years of his life in that one excerpt though!
― jed_, Monday, 14 April 2008 22:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw some interview w Smith where he claimed that Bo Diddley had watched the Tube when they were on and said they were the only decent rock&roll band on...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 07:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Calvin Klein had asked MES to be in an ad, but I think they went with Kim Gordon instead.
― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Those Guardian extracts are pure gold. When is the book coming out?
― musically, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
this is going to be great.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
musically: the book's out in the UK at the end of this month, i think (just before i get paid -- bugger). i didn't manage to blag a review copy, either, although the literary editor promises me that if another copy appears (stranger things have happened), it's mine.
given the ASTOUNDING FEAT OF FUCKING LUCK i had with the mysterious peel sessions box set that just turned up out of nowhere, i'm not holding out too much hope.
― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link
At least if you have to pay for it, it won't be with USD...I'm just going out on a limb but I don't think this one will be available via Amazon US.
― musically, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I sacked Marc Riley on his wedding day! I didn't know he'd just got secretly wed. I said to Kay Carroll, who used to manage the group, "We've got to ring him, we've got to get rid of him," because he was getting out of hand: wanting to do Totally Wired twice a night, playing Container Drivers with his cowboy hat on and all that kind of thing. Even Kay was a bottler - she got all nervous on the phone. She's like, "Marc, I've got something to say to you ...", not getting to the point. So I said, "Give me the phone" and he says, "Mark, how did you find out?" and I go, "What?"
"I only wanted a private wedding. I got wed today." Of course, I thought, "Why didn't you invite me, then, you cunt?" And I say, "Congratulations, mate. And by the way, you're sacked." So you can see why he's a bit scarred.
― energy flash gordon, Friday, 18 April 2008 05:45 (sixteen years ago) link
From my past experience it may be available through Amazon US but you'll still be getting it from a UK seller, so might as well stick to amazon.co.uk...
― Bimble, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link
playing Container Drivers with his cowboy hat on and all that
OMG this book is going to be so great
― sleeve, Friday, 18 April 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
"Rock N Roll isn't music, it's the abuse of instruments to get a feeling over." -- Mark E. said something like that.
― Cunga, Monday, 1 February 2010 07:50 (fourteen years ago) link
The Oxford dictionary of Quotations awaits...
― Mark G, Monday, 1 February 2010 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
The Fall: The Wonderful and Frightening World of Mark E SmithFri 10 Sep 2010, 21:25 on BBC Four
SynopsisA profile of one of England's truly unique and underrated bands, The Fall.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0074r00
is this new? it's marked as a repeat...
― koogs, Monday, 6 September 2010 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it pre-dates John Peel's death.
So when's the 3CD W&FWOTH remaster/deluxe edition, BegBanqs?
― Mark G, Monday, 6 September 2010 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link
WOTF, obv.
― Mark G, Monday, 6 September 2010 09:50 (thirteen years ago) link
25th October, 2010 it seems.
Also, it's a 4CD set.
― Mark G, Monday, 6 September 2010 09:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=110458
Oh, it's an Omnibus edition.
Buy early, £13.99!
― Mark G, Monday, 6 September 2010 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link
That Fall doc's well worth seeing if you haven't before and you enjoy watching Alex Higgins-looking dudes mumble into their chests.
― Hongro Horace (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 September 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
It's all up on Youtube btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Ff-7ui9BY
etc...
― Neggin' you crapative (NickB), Monday, 6 September 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nme.com/news/the-fall/53488
"We were playing a festival in Dublin the other week," he told Australian magazine Brag. "There was this other group warming up in the next sort of chalet, and they were terrible."
He added: "I said, 'Shut them cunts up,' and they were still warming up, so I threw a bottle at them. The band said, 'That's the Sons Of Mumford [sic] or something, they're Number Five in charts!'. I just thought they were a load of retarded Irish folk singers."
― S Beez Wit the Remedy (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
that description Smith uses is a generous one tbh
― Neil S, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
renegade is fucking hilarious from start to finish. one of my favourite mark e. smith things is refering to a take that member as 'orange howard'.
― These children will not kill my Gerrard for me oh, (or something), Thursday, 21 October 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/may/21/mark-e-smith-interview
― koogs, Saturday, 21 May 2011 10:48 (twelve years ago) link
Human souls are not cheap.
― koogs, Saturday, 21 May 2011 10:49 (twelve years ago) link
What is the trait you most deplore in others?A lot of people seem obliged to have a viewpoint.
this is kind of a t-bomb
― puppetry of the pulis (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 21 May 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link
What makes you unhappy?All UK comedians.
Finally something for Lex and MES to bond over.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Saturday, 21 May 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
^lol was thinking about posting something like that
― excitebikable boy (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 22 May 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
Is there an MES biography? I need to know how someone like this happens.
― the morals of a tomcat and the manners of a wolf (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 22 May 2011 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
There's the 'autobiography' Renegade (a backwards fulfilment of the prophecy in Twister), which feels like an extended interview. It's definitely funny in places and has reasonable amount of stuff about his childhood, but I did feel slightly trapped by him going on rather. He'd become a bore by this time imo, although I realise there are many who feel that about him all the time (In fact i liked this q&a precisely because it the most agile interview he's done in years). And of course you don't believe a word of it.
Other stuff, like Simon Ford's The Fall, tends to about, well, The Fall rather than Smith's early life. Although the Mick Middles book does have a GRATE interview with his mum.
So, um, probably Renegade I guess. But a structured and researched look at his pre-Fall life, not really.
Although the short answer is probably 'shit loads of drugs, strong elements of northern working-class religious non-conformism veering to mysticism. Again, vein of working class self-education and independence. The above elements finding vehicles in punk, Blake, satire, science fiction and ghost stories. Clearly s very strong, single-minded person and equally clearly from nearly all accounts extremely funny and often quite sweet and charming.'
― Fizzles the Chimp (GamalielRatsey), Sunday, 22 May 2011 07:46 (twelve years ago) link
Mark E Smith @Markesmith 8m
Best wishes to Mr Nelson Mandela. Big Fall fan and quite a nice bloke, once you get to know him. #legend
― millmeister, Thursday, 28 March 2013 11:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, those are funny for a bit, but they get repetitive...
― Mark G, Thursday, 28 March 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
Head of Mark E. Smith, 2013Claus Castenskioldhttps://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1234333_10151865682728729_165597955_n.jpg
― dlp9001, Monday, 18 November 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgaRehO-oiY
C4 news, last night
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/MEStranslationCapture465.jpg
Yeah, nicking stuff off other web pages.
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/the_falls_mark_e._smith_was_on_the_tv_news_again_last_night._it_didnt_go_ve
It's not that impossible to make out what he's saying: I was unsure what Elena had said but.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 13:09 (eight years ago) link
February 23 1981, Plaza Ballroom, Glasgow.
http://i.imgur.com/tmTzNU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0A1AKB3.jpg
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 12:26 (seven years ago) link
60 today. Or 62, depending on who you believe.
― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Friday, 3 March 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
60 today. Happy birthday MES!
― Doran, Sunday, 5 March 2017 08:46 (seven years ago) link
Happy Birthday Mark E. Smith! The Quietus' 60 Favourite Fall Songs
― ArchCarrier, Sunday, 5 March 2017 08:48 (seven years ago) link
good list marred by nothing off levitate
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Sunday, 5 March 2017 10:51 (seven years ago) link
Oops, I was a bit ahead of myself with the birthday announcement. HBMES!
― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 March 2017 12:40 (seven years ago) link
Mark E Smith...March the Fifth...
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Sunday, 5 March 2017 12:44 (seven years ago) link
Ha, he was born on that date deliberately.
― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 March 2017 12:57 (seven years ago) link
Here's the definitive rant...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEKQ4SgKJe0
― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 March 2017 12:59 (seven years ago) link
Thanks for the Quietus link. Hadn't seen this before, the performance of Tempo House that's on Perverted by Language (my favorite Fall, today). Happy birthday MES:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTJdWN6BqwU
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Sunday, 5 March 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
RIP
― Sacked Italian Greyhound (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 March 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
ha
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Sunday, 5 March 2017 16:11 (seven years ago) link
Jeremy Allen doesn't understand Sparta FC.
Good list though! High Tension Line should be on it.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Monday, 6 March 2017 05:09 (seven years ago) link
http://i4.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article12695202.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/mark-E-Smith.jpg
― Return of the Flustered Bootle Native (Tom D.), Monday, 6 March 2017 11:15 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/V1bb2Fc.png
― ArchCarrier, Monday, 6 March 2017 11:25 (seven years ago) link
A man kept alive by language
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Monday, 6 March 2017 11:32 (seven years ago) link