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Loads of mentions, but still no thread dedicated specifically to Ian Dury. Rectify, please.

Vampire Business (Bimble...), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Awesome. "What a Waste," "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick" and "Reasons to Be Cheerful (Part 3)" are my favorites, but he did tons of great stuff. A true original.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I only have one thing by him - New Boots & Panties, but it's classic! Where to next?

Rombald (rombald), Monday, 26 June 2006 06:26 (seventeen years ago) link


Profoundly In Love With Pandora is surprisingly good.

Also - absolute classic - Spasticus Autisticus.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Monday, 26 June 2006 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

After New Boots And Panties and (a good comp. that includes) all the classic singles ("Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll" "What A Waste", "Reasons To Be Cheerful", "I Want To Be Straight", "Inbetweenies", "Spasticus Autisticus") and some of the frequently equally wonderous B-sides ("Razzle In My Pocket", "There Ain't 'Alf Been Some Clever Bastards", "You'll See Glimpses"), I'd say the next thing to get is the 1998 album on which Mr. Dury was reunited with The Blockheads:

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Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 26 June 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Alice is currently loving "Hit me with your rhythm stick"...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 26 June 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

listen to Stewart ppl

The link below is to a good Dury primer. It's missing only "You'll See (Glimpses)" IMHO. The CD seems to be OOP though, unfortunately.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000025ATS/026-3818356-9654044?v=glance&n=229816&s=music&v=glance

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Dury fans should also check out Chaz Jankel stuff from the same time. I think he co-wrote "Rhythm Stick" and "Reasons" and a bunch of others before leaving the Blockheads in 1980.

ahttp://myspace.com/theblockheads

Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

"Alice is currently loving "Hit me with your rhythm stick"..."

Daddy, what is a rhythm stick, exactly?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

LORD UPMINSTER!!!

Tronid K (tronidk), Monday, 26 June 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

davey payne's sax playing is bonkers!

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 05:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic, obviously, and I think his grassroots London attitude was a huge influence on early UK punk. Is the bio worth reading? Was looking at it at the weekend.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 06:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm weird (though probably not as weird as Ian himself) in that I always liked his second Blockheads album (wait, is *New Boots* listed as Ian Dury and the Blockheads? I *think* it is), the more disco-fied *Do It Yourself,* almost as much as *New Boots and Panties,* but probably that's partially due to my copy originally coming with a free 7-inch "Rhythm Stick"/"There Ain't Half Been Some Clever Bastards" 45 inside, before "Rhythym Stick" became the B-side to "Reasons to Be Cheerful" unless it was the other way around. (I ALMOST bought a cut-out copy of his pre-Blockheads pub-rock album by Kilburn and the High Roads for $3 in a department store once, and have been kicking myself ever since for not doing so.) Oddly, right now, though, I don't own *any* of those albums, only (on vinyl) a great early best-of (Stiff Records Spain, 1981) called *Exitos Dury* and (on CD) *All the Best Mate: Ian Dury & the Blockheads Live* on Music Club, recorded in 1990 and released in 2000. Hope that helps, though I have a feeling it won't much. At any rate, in general, I always drastically preferred his earlier stuff to his later stuff.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And oh yeah, Confounded is OTM about Chas Jankel. Search the dollar bins for a copy of *Questionnaire*, from 1981, which is great, and includes "Glad to Know You," which was a dance/r&b hit in America. I think the album after that, which I don't own, had "Ai No Corrida," which was either a collaboration with Quincy Jones or was covered by him or something*. Either way, the Blockheads explicitly influenced American r&b, at least briefly, and possibly residually much longer.

* - I might be totally off on this, but I don't think I am.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

>his grassroots London attitude was a huge influence on early UK punk<

This confuses me, unless "early UK punk" means early '80s oi! or something. Was Ian's Kilburn and the High Roads stuff well-known in England? Because his debut album under his own name didn't come out til 1978 (in the States, anyway; maybe late 1977 in the UK?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Kilburn & the Highroads were ostensibly part of the '73-5 pre-punk "pub rock" boom which also embraced the likes of Dr Feelgood, Ducks Deluxe and even Ace of "How Long" fame, though their roots were equal rock 'n' roll and improv - many of the initial line-up, including Dury himself, were members of the '60s improv outfit the People Band (as was Davey Payne who came on board later). That album's definitely worth checking out, though in the UK they never rose above cult status.

New Boots And Panties came out late summer '77 in Britain and was a huge seller although he didn't start having hit singles until spring '78 ("What A Waste" was the first one).

Quincy Jones covered "Ai No Corrida" - top 20 in the UK in '81 (on his The Duke album).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Additionally it should be noted that Blockheads keyboardist Mickey Gallagher was the co-author of Frampton's megahit "Show Me The Way."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

>Quincy Jones covered "Ai No Corrida" - top 20 in the UK in '81 (on his The Duke album).

Which means Jankel's original version was probably on the Jankel album *before* Questionairre, not the one after.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes it was - self-titled, came out 1980.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Other Chaz Jankels worth seeking are:

"3,000,000 Synths"
"Without You" (co-written with Tina Weymouth, I thinks)
"109 (Give Me Something I Can Remember)"
even 85's crossover-y "No. 1"

I think it's the Lord Upminster record that has a great picture of them lounging with Sly & Robbie (who did rhythm) on the back cover.

Confounded (Confounded), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oops. Chaz "No. 1"

Confounded (Confounded), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, Do It Yourself is underrated. "Sink My Boats" was a particular favourite.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Inbetweenies"!@
"Waiting for Your Taxi"!

CD version seems to have lots of bonus tracks.

Confounded (Confounded), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 13:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What I was saying about Dury as an influence on UK punk was his celebration of London and London/Cockney dialect - I suspect that the Pistols and the rest might have Americanised themselves on the lines of Richard Hell and the Heartbreakers without his model to follow. (And, yeah, I suppose he is indirectly responsible for Oi!) Considering its jazz/funk influence New Boots is a pretty savage record at times.

I'm seeing the Blockheads, plus a solo set by Wilko Johnson, at the Wickerman Festival in about a month. Even without the lad himself, it should be an experience.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I got the Do It Yourself CD in the mail today! I'd gone out to walk with my discman in the sunshine and checked the mail having this intuitive feeling that it would be there and it was! So I opened it and immediately put it into my discman and some disco/funk wound in my soul was healed forever. I couldn't help dancing as I walked along the trail, I couldn't care less who saw me, what a record.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 8 July 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody do a book about him please. Some great live tracks came out on magazine samplers after he died, so prob some good live albums, or at least one. Juke Box Dury a really good collection, maybe the best? And I think that's the one that I have with an interview bonus disc. "Ai No Corrida" was an American hit too, wasn't it? I used to hear it a lot on Southern radio, anyway. I guess his last appearance on record might've been when he and Wreckless Eric contributed some blah narrative bits to an American indie album, a musical play, of the sort where there's a tiresome song for every move, incl going to the refrigerator, scratching your ass (he could've written good songs about those, but none of the music was his)

don (dow), Saturday, 8 July 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazon lists a book by Richard Balls entitled Sex, Drugs & Rock and Roll: The Life of Ian Dury. Another is entitled Song By Song Are these books not any good?

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Sunday, 9 July 2006 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Richard Balls, eh? Didn't know about those.

don (dow), Sunday, 9 July 2006 02:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Heheheheheheheh

Did you know you can actually find pictures of Linda Blair's tits online? I wasn't trying to but...suddenly there they were. I'm just surprised.

Sorry this is an Ian Dury thread.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Sunday, 9 July 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

>What I was saying about Dury as an influence on UK punk was his celebration of London and London/Cockney dialect - I suspect that the Pistols and the rest might have Americanised themselves on the lines of Richard Hell and the Heartbreakers without his model to follow<

Again, I still don't understand how this could be, since the first Ian Dury album came AFTER the first Pistols album, not before, right? (Or are you saying Johnny Rotten was a fan of Kilburn and the High Roads, which might make more sense? Did Dury even use a Cockney accent in that band?) I've always assumed that the big Brit-accent influence on the Pistols was Slade, though I could be totally wrong.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 9 July 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"are you saying Johnny Rotten was a fan of Kilburn and the High Roads" - yes, I'm certain I've seen Cook and Jones talking about them in interviews. Kilburn and the High Roads were central figures in the pre-punk pub rock scene. People later in the Clash, the Damned and the Stranglers were around at this time.

Drury's accent was 100% authentic, and he used it in everything he did.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Sunday, 9 July 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

And the way Dury mixed in bits of music hall humor, the more wiseassides & attitude, maybe appealed to punks (see all the crazy comedians spliced into the Pistols doc The Filth And The Fury: Mark Sinker and Simon Reynolds ID most of them for me, but still a huge chunk of pop history that most all of us non-Brits,incl me, and prob many of them, the younger ones, are never really gonna know that much about)

don (dow), Monday, 10 July 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure that I read a book about Ian Dury, about 3 years ago.

If it's that "Sex and drugs" one mentioned above (and why wouldn't it be?) then yeah, it's excellent.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Again, I still don't understand how this could be, since the first Ian Dury album came AFTER the first Pistols album, not before, right? (Or are you saying Johnny Rotten was a fan of Kilburn and the High Roads, which might make more sense? Did Dury even use a Cockney accent in that band?) I've always assumed that the big Brit-accent influence on the Pistols was Slade, though I could be totally wrong.

New Boots And Panties was out 2-3 months before Never Mind The Bollocks.

Steve Marriott and the Small Faces were the real "big Brit-accent influence" on the Pistols. Slade don't often get cited in that context; indeed, commercially they floundered for a while after punk (though this was less due to punk, more down to spending too much time futilely attempting to break the American market, and of course by the time they got back to Britain the world had overtaken them somewhat).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link

New Boots And Panties was out 2-3 months before Never Mind The Bollocks.

True, but nearly all of it was written well before.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this line of ancestry is a fruitless and pointless one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 10 July 2006 09:44 (seventeen years ago) link

True. Dury was great in his own right, regardless of who he may or may not have influenced.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I've only recently read a little bit (online) about his life behind the scenes, and it seems like he was a really great character. Any recommendations on those books?

shieldforyoureyes, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 01:21 (sixteen years ago) link

No, but get this. It's great!

Jamie T Smith, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I've got Ian Dury & The Blockheads: Song by Song, a very entertaining book.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 3 August 2008 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Tom Ewing addresses 'Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick' on Popular

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Gollum is Ian Dury

http://www.nme.com/news/ian-dury/42264

StanM, Friday, 23 January 2009 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Ray Winstone is Ian Dury's Dad!

UK cast grows for Ian Dury biopic
Ray Winstone and Mackenzie Crook have joined Andy Serkis for a biopic of late punk legend Ian Dury, according to film trade paper The Hollywood Reporter.

Winstone has signed on to play the father of Dury who, despite suffering from polio from a young age, went on to become a leading music figure.

Serkis plays the singer, who produced a string of hits through the 1970s, including Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll.

Pirates of The Caribbean star Naomie Harris has been cast as his girlfriend.

Mark G, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 12:14 (fifteen years ago) link

FFS, no one mentioned the 'Laughter' album here? With songs like 'Sueperman's Big Sister', '(Take Your Elbow Out Of The Soup) You're Sitting On The Chicken' and 'Fucking Ada', it's way better than 'Do It Yourself', Wilko Johnson did a great job here.

zeus, Sunday, 3 May 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

So is this movie on him about out now?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Mid-Jan in the UK.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.theauteurs.com/notebook/posts/1381

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 January 2010 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Serkis is good but there's just something a little too rough about his Essexisms (which was kind of a deliberate persona for Dury anyway, raised in comfortable Harrow) - there's none of the sweetness of Dury in his singing voice. There's a world of difference between Reasons To Be Cheerful Part "FREE" (Serkis), and Part "THREE" (Dury). Pretty decent film though.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 10 January 2010 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Really enjoyed this. Serkis nails it for me, and the sleazy late-70's vibe is spot on. Definitely worth seeing if you're a fan.

Soukesian, Monday, 11 January 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Really enjoyed this film.

I'm usually wary of biopics, as they can be somewhat flat and simplistic - especially if you know any detail about the subject. But in this case Andy Serkis's performance is great, and the script is more impressionistic than the usual biopic style.

Bob Six, Monday, 18 January 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Indeed an enjoyable film, though it reminded me quite a bit of the superior 24 Hour Party People. Serkis kills it.

I saw it with my South African friend, and halfway through she leant across and asked me if it was based on a real person. It would seem Dury didn't make much of an impression over there.

BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

i'm late to this party but Do It Yourself is killer!

piscesx, Sunday, 2 December 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

prune juice!

Mark G, Sunday, 2 December 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

I am surprised by the lack of Dury on the forum. I have recently been enjoying New Boots and Panties (the album that is) and wrote about it on our blog:

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/ian-dury-and-the-blockheads-new-boots-and-panties-round-43-toms-selection/

yugi ex, Saturday, 5 January 2013 11:33 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

i remain astonished he doesn't get more love. why is that?

piscesx, Friday, 27 May 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link

There is a kind of gap, almost a black hole, on this borad with respect to the pub rock era and its artists. See also Nick Lowe. Graham Parker as well.

Son of Shaftway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 May 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link

if we're talking ilx love then fair enough, but in the uk he's fairly feted, they even made a biopic starring the Gollum guy

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 27 May 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link

probably hurts his legacy a little bit that two of his best known songs, hit me with your rhythm stick and reasons to be cheerful, have a bit of a novelty song feel about them

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 27 May 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link

unlike the more philosophical sex and drugs and rock n roll

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 May 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link

probably hurts his legacy a little bit that two three of his best known songs, hit me with your rhythm stick, reasons to be cheerful and sex and drugs and rock n roll, have a bit of a novelty song feel about them

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link

tbf those are the only songs I know so I would say you are probably right lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 May 2016 23:04 (seven years ago) link

http://eil.com/images/main/Ian+Dury+Profoundly+In+Love+With+Pandor+189227.jpg

I want this Gian Sammarco + Lindsey Stagg picture disc so badly

soref, Friday, 27 May 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

Decades ago I remember meeting a guy who claimed Ian Dury lived down the road from him and would sponsor clean up the neighborhood and give away Ian Dury records as prizes. Over time I've forgotten the name of the town he was from and have not being able to get myself to recall it as there is confusion from someone else's hometown. So I keep thinking Wolverstonecraftshire and my brain can go no further. If anyone can provide further information I would be most grateful.

Son of Shaftway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link

Reasons to Be Cheerful has a bit of a novelty song feel about it, the others don't.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link

I kind of get the impression that critical opinion turned against him at some point in the early 80s despite him having been acclaimed in the late 70s? I agree that he has definitely become established as a canonical acclaimed figure since his death, though.

has anyone else heard this tribute album? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Boots_and_Panties!!#Brand_New_Boots_And_Panties
I remember it mostly seeming a bit irrelevant aside from the Sinéad O'Connor track, Shane MacGowan staggering through Plaistow Patricia is kind of entertaining as well. what an odd collection of artists, though!

soref, Friday, 27 May 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link

Laughter is an incredible album, it's a pity that it also marked the beginning of a collapse in his chart peformance

soref, Friday, 27 May 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Nottingstonegate?

Son of Shaftway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Warhamptonwick?

Son of Shaftway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:47 (seven years ago) link

oh wait

Son of Shaftway (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 27 May 2016 23:49 (seven years ago) link

I was listening to this live recording of a show by Bill Nelson's Red Noise from 1979, and at one point Nelson's talking to the audience about music he doesn't like and says something like "something really boring like... Ian Dury" - which made me kind of sad! of all of the people he could have picked as examples of boring music, and he picks Ian Dury :(

soref, Saturday, 28 May 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link

Wow, US Spotify's got a lot of Dury, incl. some I've never heard of. US CD-wise, Rhino's version of the excellent comp Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll might be the most findable I suppose the ace Juke Box Dury might be around over here too, though have never seen it as a domestic release.

dow, Saturday, 28 May 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

never have

dow, Saturday, 28 May 2016 01:03 (seven years ago) link

Upminster

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 28 May 2016 08:49 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Serkis is good but there's just something a little too rough about his Essexisms (which was kind of a deliberate persona for Dury anyway, raised in comfortable Harrow) - there's none of the sweetness of Dury in his singing voice. There's a world of difference between Reasons To Be Cheerful Part "FREE" (Serkis), and Part "THREE" (Dury). Pretty decent film though.

― Michael Jones, Sunday, 10 January 2010 11:05 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeahhhh...... (It was on last night)

I dunno, Andy Serkis did a good job, just .. it .. wasn't.. close enough? The firsttime I saw it, I did wonder if Robbie Williams would have made a better visual resemblance, but then again he's not a trained actor so probably wouldn't have been as good.

One scene gets close to Ian: the return to the disabled boarding school where he talks to the kids, I remember this as a verbatim recreation of what actually happened, (was it on Nationwide or something?). Maybe there wasn't enough of Ian being charming, offsetting the 'mad disabled bloke' which he is most of the time in the film.

Still, this was more about Baxter than Ian, really, wasn't it?

Mark G, Monday, 22 August 2016 11:43 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

I guess there are some Baxter Dury threads but they seem to be super-short.

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 August 2021 01:03 (two years ago) link

At the heart of Chaise Longue is an unlikely trio living in belligerent harmony – dad, son and the Sulphate Strangler. They shared a flat in west London by the banks of the Thames; part of a block renowned for its arty squatters, which Ian dubbed Catshit Mansions. They drank together, took drugs together, smashed crockery together, rowed and made up together when Baxter was still in his mid-teens.

The squatted Catshit Mansions were famously sited in Kennington - looking onto the Oval Cricket ground, rather than the banks of the Thames. This seems to be conflated two periods of Ian Dury's life: the earlier struggling years in Kennington where he lived with Denise Roudette and the later post fame years in Chiswick (I think).

Luna Schlosser, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 10:28 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ova26J0BcDs

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link

aw shit, thanks for the heads up!

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link

That whole sequence of him in the pool was beautiful. Also talking to the kids at that school, that was lovely

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 21:56 (two years ago) link

Yeah, remember this one well. One example as to why the S&D&R&R movie didn't work for me : they re-create that school scene in the movie and it's not as good.

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 09:34 (two years ago) link


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