the turntable now outsells the guitar

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Then again, this statistic seems a bit skewed, because you have to buy two turntables if you're a wannabe DJ, but only one guitar if you're a wannabe rock star.

But still. Discuss. When you were a teenager, did you save up money for a guitar, or a set of turntables and a mixer? I saved up for the guitar, but I still wonder sometimes about that choice.

geeta, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

wicky wicky

geeta, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've been hearing this stat for a while now. I think it's great if for no other reason but keeping the records alive. There have been albums reissued on vinyl lately that still aren't on CD.

I just ordered a new mixer and am eagerly awaiting its arrival.

Ron, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I bought my first guitar with inheritance money and my second with a tex refund. At the moment I'm having to save up for a single turntable because my old one broke and I have far too much vinyl to not have a working turntable..

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

tax, that is. I'm not a NZ'er

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Apparently the turntable only outsells the guitar in Japan (and possibly Europe) at present, so it's not necessarily a very accurate statement anyway.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, no way this is true in the U.S. In many towns, it's still difficult to find a turntable. Every town has a music shop.

Mark, Wednesday, 20 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also, turntables serve a utilitarian purpose (ie, listening to records), where guitars do not. Unless you're decorating a bar.

matthew m., Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I just bought a turntable. To play records on. This is a seriously phony statistic.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think the statistic is someway accurate , certainly in Britain, where UK garage and a pair of 1210's are far more common than a guitar. I bought a pair of crappy soundlabs and a mixer 6 years ago and now wish I had a guitar instead.

Its much cooler coming home after the pub and picking up a guitar and playing it rather than getting on your decks . (unless you can scratch!!)

JB, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah, i'd only heard this statistic in relation to the UK, and i think it was a year or two ago that turntables sales overtook guitar sales (although not sure if counting as pairs or not). vinyl sales have been going steadily upwards for the past 5 or 6 years

michael, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyone have a source for this stat?

Mark, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this is a job for the Dastoor Online Investigation Agency. i've done a bit of Googling and not found anything

michael, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does this statistic include all turntables or only turntable models that are used for mixing? From what I understand (as a non-DJ), only direct-drive turntables can be used for mixing, but belt-drive turntables probably make up a decent percentage of total sales.

o. nate, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Shouldn't they obe counting the bit used for making music ie The mixer. Anyway, every other guy here (at university) seems to have a gutair. I know harldy anyone with a turntable of any kind, though I often see people walking about clutching 12"s.

Graham, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I find it desperately difficult to believe that vinyl sales are going up when there's barely anywhere to press the things, and a lot of indie labels are struggling to sell 200 copies of something.that would have sold out 12 months ago..

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

vinyl is eternal jim: you can even still sell it when it's three or four years old

mark s, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hmmmmm

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I find it desperately difficult to believe that vinyl sales are going up when there's barely anywhere to press the things, and a lot of indie labels are struggling to sell 200 copies of something.that would have sold out 12 months ago..

The amount of vinyl reissued in the last three years or so is insane. You can get Miles Davis' back catalogue of single LPs, ditto Sly Stone, and a whole lot of other Columbia and Epic. Mercury reissued both NY Dolls LPs, the first three Velvets (plus Live 1969) LPs, a slew of James Brown/JBs LPs, Parliament LPs, Kurtis Blow. Sundazed is getting acclaim for it's Dylan and Otis Redding/Stax 180 gm mono reissues, and just reissued Love's first three LPs, Kick Out the Jams and a million other things. Get Back! out of Italy has released ESP Disk's catalogue, BYG's Actuel series, Pere Ubu's early albums, Modern Lovers, live Joy Division and Lou Reed collections, Last Poets, and on. You can get all of Captain Beefhearts' LPs up to the Virgin ones on vinyl. Early Gil Scott-Heron LPs on Flying Dutchman were all reissued, along with Lonnie Liston Smith and Ornette Coleman. Scorpio Records reissued all of the Meters LPs, some Dr. John, the first five Curtis Mayfield LPs, Blank Generation, the first five Ramones LPs, West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band, Wilson Pickett, Loaded and Live At Max's Kansas City by the Velvets, Ornette Coleman and John Coltrane's Atlantic output Sugar Hill Records full lengths, and a bunch of other records from WEA. 4 Men With Beards was created to release 180 gm analogue pressings of classic Atlantic titles by Art Ensemble of Chicago, Aretha Franklin and others. Mute just reissued classic Can albums on vinyl. WEA Germany keeps Television's two Elektra LPs in print, and I bought some Herbie Hancock LPs they reissued recently.

Surely someone is buying this stuff (other than me), because if they weren't I doubt lables would be releasing them (a lot of them are suped up 180 gm vinyl pressings, and of stuff not on CD) like they are.

As for the topic at hand, I heard years ago that "in Europe", turntables outsell guitars. Given the current "cult of the DJ" that appears to be in bloom, that wouldn't surprise me, but I think MP3s might change that. It's easier to lug around an iPod than crates of records.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I suppose I do live in quite a blinkered indie-centric world at times. I'm still baffled as to where these are being pressed though. They can't *all* be Czech-made..

electric sound of jim, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There are places like Aardvark in Colorado, and those guys do a very brisk business.

And since I cannot post to ILM without mentioning Detroit in some way, shape, or form; Detroit has one of the busiest pressing plants in the US, Archer. Archer has been around since the 1960's when they were one of the local Detroit pressing plants that handled Motown pressings when the demand for records was greater than Motown's usual pressing plants could accomodate. They got through the lean years of the late 80's and early 90's, and today they press more records than they did in the 1960's.

For more info on global vinyl production:

Pressing Plants

mt, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

a problem in the UK (am not 100% sure of the details) was that either a major pressing plant, or a major label's pressing plant closed, and now a lot of the remaining places are fully booked and only serving existing customers.

my 5/6 year guess was wrong though - UK vinyl sales were still falling until 98, and then started to rise in 99, and have continued since. have been unable to find any decent statistics online yet.

michael, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think the statistic is someway accurate , certainly in Britain, where UK garage and a pair of 1210's are far more common than a guitar

Eh, yer regionalist 'ere would certainly dispute thiz statement. I saved up for a roland monophonic synthesiser

Norman Phay, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

https://pxhst.co/avaxhome/80/c7/0042c780.jpg

Dinsdale, Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:26 (seven years ago) link

Woah

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:32 (seven years ago) link

tuomas must be pleased

Odysseus, Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:36 (seven years ago) link

This is the March issue? I don't see it either on the GP site or the magazine's FB page.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 January 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link

I guess early magazine leaks are a thing now

http://i.imgur.com/qaG5uFc.png

Dinsdale, Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:01 (seven years ago) link

'how do we keep young players rocking out?'

this man's vital youth-outreach work must continue

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn381/guitarist_19_42/Joe%20Bonamassa/IMG_5584.jpg

the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link

was gonna say the kid on the cover looks like a young Bonamassa

http://www.swaves.com/Back_Issues/Nov07/Joe%2520Bonamassa%252011_30.gif

how's life, Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link

also lol at 'hack pentatonic shapes'

how's life, Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link

COOL STEELY DAN CHORDS DECODED

niels, Saturday, 28 January 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link

also lol at 'hack pentatonic shapes'

Like, yeah, why aren't kids picking up guitars anymore? Now, on the other hand, let's be totally elitist.

Austin, Saturday, 28 January 2017 17:31 (seven years ago) link

Ha, I guess it depends on whether "hack" is a noun or a verb there.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 January 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link

Hack at them with your axe.

2017, how bad could it be? (snoball), Saturday, 28 January 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

If that Steely Dan article isn't titled 'Justified Ancients of Mu Chords', I'll be greatly disappointed.

2017, how bad could it be? (snoball), Saturday, 28 January 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

be disappointed

http://i.imgur.com/S2etgi2.png

Dinsdale, Saturday, 28 January 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

lol

stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 28 January 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link

can't imagine why such references would fail to appeal to today's teens

stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 28 January 2017 20:35 (seven years ago) link

I had no idea anyone used that terminology to refer to add9 chords. Rock players can be so weird sometimes.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link

Guitar Player is such a desperate dumb magazine, but I assume this will sell copies despite being baffling and false.

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Saturday, 28 January 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link


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