James Tenney

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for me 'Critical Band' is one of the big pieces of the 20th century, one of those designs so simple you can't believe it took the culture that long to finally come up with it. eight string players start on a single note, spread into microtones creating a buzzing horde, then suddenly make a break into precise intervals creating the a beautifully pure, forever ascending chord.

his 1964 thesis 'Meta / Hodos' is an incredible study on the need to introduce new terms into musical discourse and criticism to help understand the shift into composing with pure sound that began in the early 20th century. I'd recommend it to anyone who writes or talks about new music, it's one of those three-epiphanies-per-page kind of texts.

the entirety of the 'Selected Works 1961-1969' (originally on Artifact, now on New World) has the early tape & computer music pieces. my other two favorite discs are 'The Solo Works For Percussion' performed by Matthias Kaul and the 'Forms I-IV' 2 CD set, both on Hat Art.

three major pieces that have only appeared on compilations are 'Critical Band', 'Spectral CANON for Conlon' (a Nancarrow tribute with the player piano tuned in just intonation), and 'Viet Flakes (Collage No. 2)', another early plunderphonics piece originally composed as the soundtrack to a Carolee Schneemann film where tapes of mid-60's American pop radio are cut in with Vietnamese folk music.

I've yet to hear "Clang" for orchestra, but from what I've read I need to.

he was also an amazing pianist, who'd recently been playing out the finest performances of Cage's 'Sonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano' I'd ever seen. this piece is often approached with primary focus on the rhythm -- the sound-altering preparations indicated in Cage's score sometimes flourish, but they never quite blended in the way they did in Tenney's hands, where it became a shockingly harmonic piece, with resonant, pure, nontempered chords hanging in the air, often taking precedence over the clanging rhythms. A few excerpts have appeared on compilations, we need a full recording.

there was a recent performance of 'Ergodos II' at the San Francisco Electronic Music Festival by Willie Winant. Tenney had been scheduled to be in attendance, but had to cancel his travel plans shortly before the show. The performance had a very light and unreal feeling about it, there was no air in the room and no need for any. Winant also plays Tenney's 'Never Having Written A Note For Percussion" and I hope he has a chance to record some of those pieces.

sad to kick off a thread with a notice. one of the sharpest minds imaginable, I'd only spoken to him in passing a few times, but the writing and the music is still here, James Tenney r.i.p.

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 26 August 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry about typos. there's also tons, tons, tons, about him online through google, which I have bookmarked for later tonight, that looks great to read. perhaps I'll post some links later.

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 26 August 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

douglas kahn interviews james tenney


The following interview with the composer James Tenney concentrates on his work during the 1960s, when he was working at Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey (September 1961 to March 1964), and participating in the flourishing experimental arts scene in New York City. While at Bell Labs Tenney worked closely with Max Mathews, John Pierce and others, as one of the first composers to use computer synthesized sound (most of his computer compositions from the time are included on the compact disc, James Tenney: Selected Works, 1961-1969). David Lewin preceded him briefly at Bell Labs, but Tenney was the first composer there on a protracted basis, let alone one who could bring such formidable knowledge of the underpinnings of twentieth century composition to bear. Indeed, Meta / Hodos, his Masters Thesis at the University of Illinois, finished just before he arrived at Bell Labs, proposed nothing less than a fundamentally new approach to understanding twentieth century composition (after having a long cult status among composers, Meta / Hodos is increasingly being recognized as one of the most important musical documents of the 20th century). Tenney's work from this period can be understood from a larger perspective. Given that music was the first art to use computers in a sophisticated way, Tenney could also be understood as one of the first digital artists. With many digital artists today moving so easily among the arts, there is good reason to do the same historically.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP. I don't know what to say. Sadly, I started at York soon after he'd left for CalArts but I had the pleasure of watching him perform "Sonatas and Interludes" and attending his colloquium on the piece. "Critical Band" is classic, of course.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 27 August 2006 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit. I didn't realize until Sundar's post that he had passed; I read assuming that it was another (well done as always) Milton appreciation thread ... the "Blue Suede Shoes" piece was the first I heard from him, and I immediately sought out the Artifact CD of those early works ... will be totally blasting that tomorrow.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 27 August 2006 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

getting sick of these notice threads, so I don't really consider this a notice thread, this is an appreciation thread

"blue suede shoes" 1961 by all accounts is the first track based on dedicated sampling of another piece

spectral canon, critical band

from cold blue compilation, relache - on edge, both solid albums beyond the tenney tracks, worth buying

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 27 August 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP.

Reading some of the tributes and playing a couple of pieces of his this morning and all I hear are these delightful delicacies. For all the talk of how conceptual he was I don't hear any dryness that could be implied by that.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 27 August 2006 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

many of his pieces aren't dry at all. you have to search a bit, though.

looking for a recording of 'clang' for orchestra. not sure if one's ever been commercially released. discography.

there's this: http://disquiet.com/downstream-past5.html#d20060731-jt

2nd piece is Ergodos II, 3rd piece I'm pretty sure is one of the microtonal guitar pieces for Seth Josel, 4th piece is "Blue Suede". I wish I knew what that opening piece is, it's completely stunning.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 27 August 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

recently i went to an amazing performance of Tenney's Form II (In Memoriam John Cage) performed by the BBC SSO. the orchestra split into 7 sections all around the hall. one section on stage, 2 more upfront, just to the right and left of the stage, 2 sections at the back of the hall and 2 upstairs on the balcony. A beautiful performance that sounded all the better because of Glasgow city hall's absolutely amazing acoustics and the fact that they had turned the hall's lights off - each section of the orchestra only very dimly lit. an amazing experience!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 28 August 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

(That reminds me of hearing Wolff's 'Changing the system' in this church where the instrumental groups are separated around it so you end up with these sounds sneaking up on you. A recording would struggle to capture any of that.)

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP - I enjoyed his piece at the SFEMF, curious about Meta/Hodos now

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd loan you my copy, but I'm pretty sure you'd just end up buying your own about half a chapter in anyway... I go back to it a lot, especially the last few weeks.

I bought "A History of 'Consonance' and 'Dissonance'" yesterday, looking forward.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 28 August 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.newmusicbox.org/article.nmbx?id=4247

online archive of tenney playing 'sonata and interludes for prepared piano': http://www.soundnet.org/concerts/#cage

he's a composer's composer so I'm not surprised the online notices have so far been confined to blogs. he kept a concertedly low profile, no time for careerism. also, his most accessible works are strewn across compilations, there's no easily available retrospective. the people who know right now are limited to the people who work to seek the true stuff out. but the smoke's going to clear: first composer to produce musically lasting results from digital software (1961-64), first composer to produce a 'remix' / plunderphonic piece (that alone). 'chromatic canon' merging minimalism with serialism, his work tracing the continuum between consonance and dissonance is going to come in handy as popular music keeps veering closer to noise, his microtonal compositions that help themselves to the overtone series without getting locked into static drones, in the age of composer / specialists, most people are still staking out the dots that Tenney's already connected, so the man is going to keep coming up.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for this stuff, milton, unfortunate to hear about tenney's passing.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Gino Robair has just posted Larry Polansky's remembrances on Tenney to ba-newmus

http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/2006-October/017871.html

I finished reading Tenney's "A History of 'Consonance' and 'Dissonance'" a few weeks ago. About to re-read it, but Polansky's comment about Tenney being the most important music theorist of the last half of the 20th century does not seem that far off the mark. Perhaps I'll write more later, but the book is a historical overview from Pythagoras on positing five basic musical periods of development in which what was considered 'consonant' and 'dissonant' gradually shift and expand, seemingly towards noise, but ultimately towards a music organized out of pure sound. His examples are persuasive and in his hands the history of musical development over the past 100 years doesn't seem fragmented, it seems unbroken, cohesive and obvious. It should be required reading in every 20th century music class in the country, and it's about $40 on Amazon.

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 12 October 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
james tenney festival from last december, I almost went but my friend bailed on me and as a result my free lodging in valencia, I should have gone anyway: http://music.calarts.edu/tenney-festival/

mark swed review: http://www.calendarlive.com/music/cl-et-tenney12dec12,0,7135153.story?coll=cl-nav-music

good to know many more recordings are forthcoming

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

are you going to see the SF tape festival stuff?

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:05 (seventeen years ago) link

definitely going to see the surround version of Hymnen. I might go to the 23 five festival on saturday, but SF sound hasn't posted the full program yet

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Just catching up on my Tenney now, and impressed by the sincerity he manages to draw out - even something like Rune, a 20 min piece for 4 percussionists, which on paper should be really dry has this glow to it - you can hear that he really means it.

Tim R-J (Rambler), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

More?

admrl, Saturday, 8 September 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Do I go to this? I get in free to all this stuff now!

20th-Century Spectrum: Piano Fusion

CalArts, Roy O. Disney Music Hall

MUSIC: Liam Viney and Anna Grinberg, working through the medium of two pianos, explore the range of 20th-century trends by using the music of the late CalArts faculty member James Tenney as a key nexus. Combining elements of serialism, minimalism and one of the oldest contrapuntal techniques in Western music, Tenney’s Chromatic Canon exemplifies his ability to effortlessly fuse disparate and almost ideologically opposed musical threads—all in his uniquely personal voice. The concert also includes performances of Steve Reich’s seminal Piano Phase, John Adams’ Hallelujah Junction, and, finally, Tenney’s Flocking—a computer-generated score whose ephemeral beauty opens remarkable new dimensions for performers and listeners alike.

admrl, Saturday, 8 September 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Not sure what the John Adams is doing there (maybe a work from an early phase?) but I'd go, even if that isn't that much of a write-up. I think its too easy to see serial music and minimalism as 'opposed' ('almost'? really?!) to each other.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 September 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

definitely go!

toby, Sunday, 9 September 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Was watching my namesake's film Interim from 1952 which has a marvelous Tenney piano soundtrack. It reminded me that I hadn't checked him out aside from some of his collage work – why did I blow him off for so long? This is fantastic stuff.

Brakhage, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 05:30 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.rhizomecowboy.com/spectral_variations/

Milton Parker, Friday, 2 May 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link

just wanted to say the Conlon Nancarrow box set which was performed by Tenney is amazing amazing fucking amazing ok carry on.

Mackro Mackro, Friday, 2 May 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.rhizomecowboy.com/spectral_variations/

!

matinee, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Jim: Mongolians might imagine that all music has to do with horses, celebrating horses, which most of their music does. And they might think, well, that's just the nature of music, it's something you do -- sing about and to your horse. Well, I think that's what we have done. We have the notion that all music is expressing feelings, personal feelings. Now, I don't mean to disassociate from feeling, I think that a lot of feeling is involved in the experience of listening to music, no matter how abstract it may be or unfamiliar or whatever. But the idea of self-expression and the idea of models having to do with human psychology is a much more limited notion than it has come to seem.

Tina: So your solution to the problem is to concern yourself at this point now with the nature of harmonic series.

Jim: Well, in general, I think that all my life as a composer, it's been concerned with sound. Now, what does that mean? When you begin to work that out that can mean a concern with a lot of different aspects of sound and for many years, the aspects of sound that interested me most involved timbre, tone quality, texture and form. But in the last ten years or so, that interest has shifted. It involves pitch now, and what I call Harmony. And one manifestation of that is the harmonic series. But I would like it to be understood that this is an aspect of sound. And it is sound that has always occuppied my mind and interest. i think that's what all music is about. Sound. But I might be under just as much an illusion as the Mongolian who thinks that all music is about horses. Now, it's more than that. When i say sound, that means a couple of different things. On the one hand, it would be a misunderstanding to think that I only mean that it's about vibrations in the air -- in other words, only the purely physical, acoustic aspect of it. I don't. When I say sound, I mean something which is simultaneously physical and perceptual, simultaneously objective and subjective. The physical, acoustical vibrations are an essential part of that, but the perceiving ear and mind of the listener is also an essential part. So, looking at the subjective side of it, I'm talking about an aspect of perception. I've been for twenty-five years absolutely fascinated with all kinds of questions about how we hear, how we perceive sound. And this is one thing that so much of the music in the twentieth century seems to me to have a great deal to teach us about, is the nature of sound in that large sense, that nature of our perception of sound.

- Musicworks 27, special issue on the music of James Tenney, spring 1984

Milton Parker, Saturday, 28 March 2009 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link

A month or so back, Joseph Franklin was featured on KUNM's avant-garde type show and he played some sort of archival recording of Relache performing "Critical Band." Can't say I really registered what was going on in the piece, but with no music theory to speak of, I'm not going to get things on that level.

Franklin had some very interesting things to say about Cage's response to that piece, which apparently even led to a patching up of relations between Cage and Tenney. They had had a big falling out over Tenney's continued emphasis on harmonics, but after hearing this piece and resuming correspondence with Tenney, Cage apparently answered, when asked what living composer he would want to study with if he were starting out (or something like that): Tenney.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Saturday, 28 March 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd heard the comment about Cage's remarks to Tenney about Critical Band - "If that's harmony, then I'm all for it" (which resonates after a lifetime of Cage publishing writings expressing, at best, ambivalence about diatonic writing in music)

but hadn't heard the bit about Cage saying that it was the most beautiful piece of music he'd ever heard. Cage was prone to grand statements but it really is a beautiful piece. I don't see it as something you have to understand to have a reaction to, I thought it was beautiful before I read the liner notes, but it was the case for that once I understood how elemental the piece is, my reaction to it grew deeper

Milton Parker, Sunday, 29 March 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link

For Ann (rising), 1969, which both Kalvos & Damian list as one of their New Music desert island disks.

The piece is based upon the Shepard scale concept, named after Tenney's colleague at Bell Labs psychologist Roger Shepard, though the technique which the piece uses is more properly described as a continuous Risset scale or Shepard-Risset glissando (Polansky 2003).

Each rising sine-wave-like glissando, between twelve and fifteen rising at any time, fades in and out, all entering a minor sixth below their predecessors, rising from the infrasonic to ultrasonic range, from below to above the ability to perceive pitch (Polansky 2003).

derelict, Sunday, 29 March 2009 07:33 (fifteen years ago) link

that's a classic piece, but really so elemental I rarely keep it on for the whole piece. there was one particularly great Drew Daniel DJ set where he brought it in, loud, over house music and it just worked, everyone kept climbing

http://www.music.psu.edu/Faculty%20Pages/Ballora/INART55/bell_labs1960s.html

Milton Parker, Sunday, 29 March 2009 09:22 (fifteen years ago) link

"So, looking at the subjective side of it, I'm talking about an aspect of perception."

What is this really about?

Agree its a wonderful piece but are the qualities in Critical Band easier to perceive than, say, Boulez's 2nd sonata?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

It depends on how deeply you're listening for the structure in the Boulez piece. You'd need the sheet music if you wanted to trace through his motives, but it's easy enough to simply listen and hear how serialism is used to insure perpetual variety in every parameter. The same thing with 'Critical Band': you'd need to understand tuning ratios & basic physics of sound to play or follow the intervals, but as a listener there is no arguing with a mass of notes that gradually fan out to arrive at a blazing, perfectly tuned major chord.

Perceptually, the piece begins with a buzzing drone texture with a dissonant edge, somewhat typical of 20th century classical, well done but tense, so when it arrives at that major chord, it's like you'd forgotten that the sun was going to rise

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 March 2009 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

'Critical Band' for 16 or more sustaining instruments:

The score is divided into 13 segments of varying duration, indicated by the "bar-lines". For each segment, the notation gives available pitches, with numbers above each note indicating its deviations from the nearest tempered pitch in cents, its frequency ration with respect to A-440, and its frequency in Hz. An electronic tuner may be necessary to achieve the intonation accuracy required for this piece, although beat frequency (at about three and a half beats per second) can be used in Segment 2 to determine the pitches of A+13 cents and A-14 cents.

A performance arises out of the normal process of tuning to A-440. In each subsequent segment, players choose, in any order, one after another of the available pitches for that segment, playing them according to the dynamic indications given. Note durations should approximate the length of one breath in the wind instruments, or one upbow-downbow sequence in bowed strings. Newly available pitches in the lower staves are to be played only after the newly available pitch in one of the upper staves (in the same time-segment) has been heard.

0': 1/1
2': 1/1, 129/128, 127/128
3'30: 1/1, 129/128, 127/128, 65/64, 63/64
5: 1/1, 65/64, 63/64, 33/32, 31/32
6'30: 1/1, 33/32, 31/32, 17/16, 15/16
8': 1/1, 17/16, 15/16, 9/8, 7/8
9'30: 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4
11': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 11/8
12': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 3/2, 5/8
13': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 3/2, 5/8, 13/8
14': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 3/2, 5/8, 7/4, 1/2
15': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 3/2, 5/8, 7/4, 1/2, 15/8
16': 1/1, 9/8, 7/8, 5/4, 3/4, 3/2, 5/8, 7/4, 1/2, 2/1, 1/4

Milton Parker, Monday, 30 March 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I don't see it as something you have to understand to have a reaction to

Well maybe you just need to listen to every single second of it without any let up in attention or something. I just found it "interesting."

_Rockist__Scientist_, Thursday, 9 July 2009 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

well maybe at this point I just have an emotional response to anything I find interesting

http://www.music.psu.edu/Faculty%20Pages/Ballora/INART55/images/tenney.gif

http://www.bleb.net/temple/jolf.html

Milton Parker, Thursday, 9 July 2009 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Maybe you have cosmic consciousness.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

ok, haven't heard it yet, but based on the three pieces played this looks, finally, like the single disc album to recommend

http://boomkat.com/cds/311586-zeitkratzer-james-tenney-old-school

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

man that is like the best news this week, just hearing it exists

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I will keep this in mind. My new CD listening is all over the place this year, so why not add this to the mix, I suppose.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 5 August 2010 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

so, that zeitkratzer disc ended up being ok, but in all cases not the best versions of those pieces, so not as all that as hoped

this, though:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/classical/reviews/album-james-tenney-john-cage-sonatas--interludes-hatnowart-7939022.html

http://www.jazzloft.com/p-55572-sonatas-interludes.aspx

I saw Tenney play Sonatas and Interludes at Mills the year before he passed -- I've been hoping for a studio recording of the piece ever since, and it's finally here. I've enjoyed a lot of recordings of this piece, but nothing ever comes close to the resonant & mysterious sound of the original 1950 recording by Maro Ajemian. Every piano is so different, so inevitably, Cage's instructions on how to prepare the piano can only be so precise; at some point, each performer is just supposed to use their ears and choose sounds that feel right to them. In practice, how this works out is that most people approach the piece primarily as a percussive one, and create a bunch of sonically interesting 'notes' filled with lots of noisy overtones, each of which sound great on impact. But it is not a modal piece, it does modulate, it goes through many little twists. What this basically means is that on many recordings, the chords end up being fairly atonal, or at least brittle, rattled out, on the noisy side of the spectrum. Which even now still sounds very novel, but in all honesty, also the reason why I rarely make it all the way through most recordings.

Tenney knows each movement of the piece by heart, and so well, that his preparations for each individual note pay attention to the chords that they are going to be utilized in. When he plays it, it becomes a shockingly consonant & harmonic piece; the chords don't clatter, they ring out. This recording only hints at what it was like to be in the room with the piano; loud notes, hit hard, would seem quieter than the softly hit notes with overtones that would shoot back and forth through the entire concert hall. You can kind of still hear that on this recording, it's acoustic music that sounds like electronic music at times. This makes it a very difficult piece to record -- part of the appeal of the original Ajemian document is the fact that it is a far-field, mono, somewhat fuzzy recording. Too many higher fidelity recordings are stuck between recording the piano from across the room and losing the details, or sticking the mics so close that the percussive transients sound too harsh or require over-compression, so the engineer has to compromise -- you can't get the sound. But the Tenney version survives documentation much more easily, mainly because it's not just a percussive piece in his hands, it's a tonal one.

Can't believe it's been out for months before I even heard about it, but -- hands down, this is the recording of the piece if you're only buying one, even if you think you don't like this piece, or don't like Cage, there is something very different about this one

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

A History of 'Consonance' and 'Dissonance' - http://www.plainsound.org/pdfs/HCD.pdf

Meta / Hodos - http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/12/26/2703030//MetaHodos.pdf

Milton Parker, Friday, 4 January 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://monoskop.org/log/?p=7305

Milton Parker, Sunday, 3 March 2013 08:43 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://www.rhizomecowboy.com/Maher_Tenney_A_Different_view.pdf

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Saw Breaking the Frame yesterday, has music by Tenney, and lots about their relationship and collaboration.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:30 (ten years ago) link

Can't wait to see that. Still in theaters only, no SF screenings announced yet.

Schneemann is an amazing figure. Her work is still shocking half a century later, which is the only reason in the world I can think of why she isn't more widely known.

Milton Parker, Monday, 10 February 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link

I only knew her work in film -- and she is known (as far as a structuralist filmmaker can be known) but there is so much more.

I liked her writings, her paintings, her collages...just found everything about her likeable. Want to see this again.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 February 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

sick

nakhchivan, Thursday, 16 April 2015 23:57 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

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