Old Mercury Rev or new?

Haven't heard all of Boces but I love Bronx Cheer.

Lego My Ego.

'Yerself is steam' - the sound of the record is great. 'Chasing a bee' really sets the album up.

I think I marginally prefer 'All is dream' to 'Deserters Songs' out of the later stuff - it's just that bit more coherent thematically.

Saw them recently and enjoyed it immensely, but wish I'd seen the earlier incarnation as well.

I love Yerself is Steam and Deserter's Songs for entirely different reasons, but I find both See You On The Other Side and All Is Dream unbearably cloying and melodramatic.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd300/d308/d30857n3478.jpg

Search out, if you can, the UK single of "Carwash Hair" on CD -- "Carwash Hair" itself, very different and lovely demos of "Chasing a Bee" and "Coney Island Cyclone" and an untitled half-hour noise/collage piece that's surprisingly...well, catchy, almost.

for some reason, no record store in nyc will buy the grasshopper cd from me.

Haha I was going to revive this and I did last time! Oh man. Yes. Boces is awesome. I get it out a few times a year and love the crazy psychrock messy gloriousness of this album. Yrself is Steam, also great.

OLDOLDOLDOLDOLDOLD

Boces is amazing, one great final track away from perfection (maaaaan, if it had ended with Frittering)...and Yerself Is Steam is almost as good.

Deserter's Songs is almost unlistenable, barring 'Tonite It Shows'. All Is Dream, fortunately, is a considerable improvement.

What I've heard of SYOTOS is fairly glorious, but I don't actually own it.

I took me years to realise 'Yerself Is Steam' was a pun, or play on words :(

Same here!!! I felt so stupid :(

Now you, go to my Bell Hollow thread~!

I'd go with Middle-Aged Mercury Rev - "Boces" and "Deserter's Songs" are both completely brilliant. SYOTOS has some serious dud moments, but is redeemed by "Empire State" and "Peaceful Night".

Newest Rev stuff just makes me...sad. I tried listening to "Hello Blackbird" and it sounded like the background music/soundtrack to a book on tape.

I took me years to realise 'Yerself Is Steam' was a pun

I glanced upthread just as I was about to post this, and just had my MIND BLOWN. I feel like an idiot.

I can't think of another band who, having seen them live, I totally went off almost instantaneously.

"Yerself Is Steam" is the best - the long version with the extra tracks. "Boces" is rubbish except for a few tracks. Never really got into "See You" but I tried listening to it recently and it didn't make too much of an impression. I think you had to be there for "Deserters Songs", it seems to be be pretty much unlistenable to me now. I bought "All Is Dream", played it once and never played it again.

Define "new". I find "Deserter's Songs" their best ever, but that album is now 9 years old and they haven't quite managed to follow it properly.

I think you had to be there for "Deserters Songs", it seems to be be pretty much unlistenable to me now.

Could this be true? I find it hard to believe. Loved the record when it came out but havent pulled it out in a year so. Will reassess this weekend.

Deserter's Songs is almost unlistenable
UH. Although they pushed it much further out live, which is probably tainting my memories of it. Live it was v. v. good

re: Yerself is Steam

I rocked the Poster Children's "If You See Kay" for several months before "getting it"...

I think you had to be there for "Deserters Songs", it seems to be be pretty much unlistenable to me now.

The problem is, between that and The Soft Bulletin, you can hear what would become ten years of unlistenable, tedious BS on the part eight million bands who heard those albums and thought they were the invention of rock and roll.

Yep

So yeah, you had to be there. I heard it right when it came out and loved it, and really have no desire to listen to it ever again. (This said "Goddess on a Hi-Way"'s line about 'we explode like two bugs on glass' is an all time winner.)

Yeah I'm curious about all the Flaming Lips comparisons. Ive listened to Soft Bulletin and Yoshimi and I can kinda hear it I guess.

The Flaming Lips connection never held water for me. If anything, new Mercury Rev sound like Supertramp filler tracks.

I have deserters songs and I never listen to it, did they just keep heading off into noodly oblivion?

... 1999, yes so it was around that time because the Flaming Lips were supporting them and absolutely annihilated them

@ Stevolende that is very interesting!

something like their 6th gig was a Dylan support or so I heard.

That's true. Here's a quote from David Baker from back in like 1993:

We did play one show with Bob Dylan. I don't think anybody at that show remembers us playing except for the fact that there were six people on the stage making them deaf. It was at Yale University. We played our regular stuff for 2000 people who didn't know we were going to be on. We figured it was the wrong thing to do to play with him because we're not like him. But we figured that it would make sense. The crowd was old and young. It was the young republicans sitting there getting mad, and screaming at me afterwords, yelling 'You fucking shattered my ears' or something. And then this old guy, maybe about 50 years, grabs me and I'm going 'Oh shit, maybe this is big mistake.” But he goes 'That was fucking awesome. I haven't heard anything like that since Hendrix.' So it was the older people, the ones who talked to us, who seemed to like it. The younger ones were saying 'That's not music.'

I just remembered what I think the art project was, think it was films, nature/wildlife films and possibly specifically subaquatic ones.
So the future members of at least the 1st Mercury Rev were a pool, or part of a pool of local musicians doing film soundtracks which is why they were coming in at different times and overdubbing. The films provided the original supposed coherence, if I have the picture right.

There was some relationship/collaboration with Tony Conrad too, right? Or am I remembering that wrong?

'That was fucking awesome. I haven't heard anything like that since Hendrix.' So it was the older people, the ones who talked to us, who seemed to like it. The younger ones were saying 'That's not music.'

This rules.

As much as I like it Deserters' is like half a record, counting up the incidental tracks

There is something very stilted and dead about all Mercury Rev to me, if you ever loved The Olivia Tremor Control you don't need any of this fucking rinse.

what

I like OTC fine but they are way more retro pastiche than Mercury Rev ever was

Which goes to show that retro pastiche>>>>>standard widely acceptable overproduced retro with cloying pity me schtick.

Uhhh, wut? Have you actually heard any early Mercury Rev?

Yeah, I kind of feel like we've suddenly begun talking about some other band called Mercury Rev. Maybe there were two.

"Pity me schtick" is not something I've ever associated with (any incarnation of) Mercury Rev.

Sorry folks I will stay off this thread. I just immensely dislike them and shouldn't even be on here. For what it is worth I bought Yersrelf Is Steam when I was a teenager and hoyed the fucking cassette in the bin after 2 days.

O_o

"Pity me schtick" is not something I've ever associated with (any incarnation of) Mercury Rev.

"it's not time for the real live sign, it's not time for these fears of mine" *wall of feedback*

"The Dark is Rising" is some old sad sack down by the river stuff tho. There's that Neil Young influence that's kind of mopey.

I can definitely hear the Neil influence, but I always interpreted the tone of that song as winking/wistful, rather than wallowing.

Single link argument for BOCES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2VvMgwIF4

"Something For Joey" live from the Phoenix Festival (1993)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDKrWsSBSg

David Baker also produced the one and only Comet album "Chandelier Musings" (1996). Here's the closing track from it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0dRvYZjAMk

Mercury Rev >>>>> Olivia Tremor Control

I once thought that the name of a good box set of early Rev would be: "Emotion Recollected in Insanity"

New Mercury Rev...

https://soundcloud.com/bella-union/01-the-queen-of-swans/s-PeV2u

MERCURY REV ANNOUNCE NEW STUDIO ALBUM - THE LIGHT IN YOU - OUT SEPTEMBER 18 VIA BELLA UNION

http://files.ctctcdn.com/2950a13a001/bb6408aa-b17d-4d65-9cdc-253d574ee4f2.png

The Light In You tracklisting:

The Queen Of Swans
Amelie
You've Gone With So Little For So Long
Central Park East
Emotional Freefall
Coming Up For Air
Autumn's In The Air
Are You Ready?
Sunflower
Moth Light
Rainy Day Record

was there not a major shake up in the line-up leaving only Grasshopper and JOnathon wassisface as there from Yerself days and everybody else leaving. So the band on See You On The Other Side is still basically the old band, een with Baker having departed and whatever after that as a newer band?

I love the early line up anyway, wish I hadn't lost all the live stuff I'd managed to get hold of by them when a harddrive crashed. Seems way too familiar a story from a couple of years back, lost a load of stuff by several bands that I'd been dying to get before getting it then it vanished overnight.

Do still have the Roskilde 92 thankfully.

lol self-parody tracklist

this band needs to stop

I love everything they did from Yerself Is Steam to All Is Dream but this new song is not great. Sounds like something from The Secret Migration. They should have changed things up a bit more. I was hoping this album would be their Embryonic.

Yeah I really, really wanted this to be good but that song has shot down my expectations.

I love both Yerself Is Steam and Deserters Songs but really dislike everything else they did, kinda feel like those are the only two you need. See You On The Other Side is way tweer than DS. Remember All is Dream being just unlistenably melodramatic and soft focus and never bothered with anything else.

there's quite a major one missing from that summary

Boces wasn't really considered major at all the last time I bothered paying much attention to Mercury Rev (about 14 years ago). I remember loving Bronx Cheer and being faintly underwhelmed by the rest and have never really bothered to go back.

The first one is the only one I ever get the urge to play these days, but even then I still really love it.

Boces>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

It's really weird to see a band grow and change so much from album to album only to end up at fucking All Is Dream and be like "OK, cool, let's just do this forever."

I think All Is Dream is a great album but it would have been nice if they'd developed from that sound. The Secret Migration was such a boring retread of that album. Judging by this new single the new album could well be the same. Maybe the album is more varied. I can't believe after seven years away they thought this was good enough.

https://open.spotify.com/track/58sbCIxg0nsjJ1MfbCWWX9

Was just listening to this. It isn't horrible. At all. I'm not sure what to think.

The big crashing Coldplay drum pattern was not exactly what I was hoping for. Surely The Secret Migration is not anyone's favourite Rev album? I liked Snowflake Midnight just fine. Probably alone there.

Tears of Silver pic.twitter.com/qXZqP8sgXA

— grasshopper (@mercuryrevvd) July 15, 2017

Was surprised to see they were playing a small club in my town last week, and despite hating just about everything since All is Dream I got a ticket out of curiosity & nostalgia. And I gotta say they pulled it off, it was pretty good!

I wasnt sure what to expect having never seen them live, I wasnt even sure if it would be just Jonathan & Grasshopper blooping around w/keyboards or what, but it was a 5-piece rock band, heavy on guitars with a few Yerself Is Steam songs and even a tune from Jonathans tenure in the Flaming Lips. Idk how it would have played at a fest or something, probably wouldnt have worked on a big stage, but in a small club to 100 people I was very pleasantly surprised.

Yeah when I saw them a few years ago for the first time at last, for a Deserter's Songs tour, it was very enjoyable. They've found a niche and it works well for them.

I loved teh David Baker years and glad to see taht at least Spotify has a couple of live sets from that era around.
Not seen them in like 29 years apat from on TV. There was a good 3 song set on something in 99 I think on the bBC part of a larger celebration.
Haven't listened to their later stuff much but those first 3 or 4 plus whatever live sets from the time and the mopping up compilations that came out at teh time are all great.

I heard the live set that came with caribou's Swim cd when i bought it in Rough Trade when it was current and it reminded me really heavily of that early era MR. The Caribou Vibration Ensemble, not sure if there is any more of that stuff anywhere that sounds that similar to that set with Marshall Allen cos I think they went through a number of different lineups live but do hear similarities with taht specific set.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMZ9E6ZK81g

i know i asked this on another thread

but does anyone know where the cover art from BOCES or Something For Joey single comes from? i know the yerself is steam artwork is an edited photo of patricia highsmith and SYOTOS is a still taken from a 70s 7-up commercial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocjyyScBdsc

also some cool rev knowledge to behold

the car wash hair cover art has lettering thats falling down. that was actually an accident. someone bumped the table they were using to glue the letters on and they just dried that way. jonathan told mooneyham he liked it so they stuck with it.

Their pre Deserter’s Songs artwork was incredible.

i also vaguely remember reading that the 30 or 40 minute track on the car wash hair ep is a mashup of random movie dialogue with actual recordings of one of the band members during a psychiatric visit

take it with a grain of salt since i have no way of verifying this

that would fit with its title ('lego my ego')

anyway they should have changed the name after baker left

Not posting it, but if you search Youtube for (ahem) 'Lionel Richie's Dick' you can see the video from which that psychiatric hospital section is taken... pretty harrowing stuff of course

Supposedly from an HBO documentary on schizophrenia that the band had a tape of