or here, actually:
http://brooklynradio.net//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=48
cool stuff.
Volume 11 - 1989
Jungle Brothers - Beads on a String
Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - Truly Yours
The Bizzie Boys - Droppin It
LL Cool J - Big Ol Butt
Big Daddy Kane - Smooth Operator
Heavy D - You Ain't Heard Nothing Yet
Gangstarr - Words I Manifest
Kwame - The Rhythm
Steady B - Serious
YZ - Thinking of a Master Plan
Chill Rob G - Court is Now In Session
Uptown - Dope on Plastic
Three Times Dope - The Greatest Man Alive
Public Enemy - 911 Is A Joke
3rd Bass - Steppin to the AM
Slick Rick - Mona Lisa
Digital Underground - The Humpty Dance
Beastie Boys - Hey Ladies
EPMD - So Watcha Sayin
NWA - Straight Outta Compton
Stop The Violence Movement - Self Destruction
Chubb Rock - Ya Bad Chubbs
Queen Latifah & Monie Love - Ladies First
De La Soul - Eye Know
Tuff Crew - Soul Food
Big Daddy Kane - Warm it Up Kane
Sugarbear - Don't Scandalise Mine
Doug Lazy - Let It Roll
Young MC - Bust A Move
2 Live Crew - Me So Horny
Biz Markie - Just A Friend
Volume 10 - 1988
JVC Force - Strong Island
LL Cool J - Jack the Ripper
Public Enemy - Don't Believe the Hype
Kool G Rap - Road to the Riches
Antoinette - Unfinished Business
Jungle Brothers - I Got It Like That
BDP - I'm Still #1 (Numero Uno Re-recording)
Run DMC - Beats to the Rhyme
Krown Rulers - Paper Chase
Tuff Crew - My Part of Town
Big Daddy - Set It Off
Kid N Play - Do This My Way
45 King - 900 Number
Rob Base - It Takes Two
Chill Rob G - The Power
L'Trimm - Cars That Go Boom
The Gucci Crew - Sally That Girl
The 2 Live Crew - Move Somethin
JJ Fad - Supersonic
NWA - Boyz in the Hood
Sir Mixalot - Posse on Broadway
MC EZ & Troup - Get Retarded
De La Soul - Plug Tuning
MC Lyte - 10% Dis
Queen Latifah - Wrath of My Madness
Eric B & Rakim - Microphone Fiend
Juice Crew - The Symphony
Biz Markie & Big Daddy Kane - Just Rhymin With The Biz
Craig G - Droppin Science
Positive K - Step Up Front
Stetsasonic - Talkin All That Jazz
Volume 9 - 1987
MC Lyte - Kickin' 4 Brooklyn
Just Ice - Goin' Way Back
LL Cool J - Kanday
Eazy E - Boys In The Hood
NWA - Dope Man
Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded
Kool G Rap - Rikers Island
MC Lyte - I Cram To Understand
Audio Two - Top Billin'
Black, Rock & Ron - That's How I'm Living
The Jungle Brothers - Jimbrowski
EPMD - You're A Customer
Big Daddy Kane & Biz Markie - Just Rhymin' With Biz
Latee - This Cut's Got Flavor
Boogie Down Productions - Poetry
Public Enemy - Timebomb
Schoolly D - Saturday Night
Eric B. & Rakim - Paid In Full
Steady B - Use Me
Biz Markie - Nobody Beats The Biz
Classical Two - Rap's New Generation
Salt 'N Pepa - I'll Take Your Man
Super Lover Cee & Cassanova Rud - Do The James
Public Enemy - P.E. #1
LL Cool J - My Rhyme Ain't Done
Roxanne Shante - Have A Nice Day
Spoonie Gee - The Godfather
Eric B. & Rakim - I Know You Got Soul
Ultramagnetic MCs - Funky (Remix)
Big Daddy Kane - Raw
Public Enemy - Bring The Noise
Dismasters - Small Time Hustler
Volume 8 - 1986
The Beastie Boys - Posse In Effect
Joeski Love - Pee Wee's Dance
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - Everlasting Bass
Eric B. & Rakim - My Melody
Sweet Tee & Jazzy Joyce - It's My Beat
Boogie Down Productions - South Bronx
MC Shan - The Bridge
Original Concept - Knowledge Me
Kool Moe Dee - Go See the Doctor
Salt 'N Pepa - My Mic Sounds Nice
King Tee - Payback's A Mutha
Run DMC - Dumb Girl
Ultramagnetic MCs - Ego Trippin
Just Ice - Cold Getting Dumb
Eric B. & Rakim - Eric B. For President
Biz Markie - Make The Music With Your Mouth Biz
Stetsasonic - 4Ever My Beat
Heavy D - Mr. Big Stuff
Kool G Rap - It's A Demo
Steady B - Bring The Beat Back
Word Of Mouth feat. DJ Cheese - Coast To Coast
The Beastie Boys - Time To Get Ill
Run DMC - Peter Piper
Dj Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince - Live At Union Square
Volume 7 - 1985
Run DMC - Together Forever (Krush Groove 4)
LL Cool J - I Can't Live Without My Radio
Steady B - Just Call Us Def
Superkids - The Tragedy (Don't Do It)
The Treacherous Three - Turn it Up
Toddy Tee - The Batterram
Kurtis Blow - If I Ruled The World
Mantronix - Fresh Is The Word- feat. MC Tee
Marley Marl - Marley Scratch- feat. MC Shan
Stetsasonic - Just Say Stet
Run DMC - King Of Rock
Jazzy Jay - Cold Chillin In The Spot
Schoolly D - PSK
Supernature - The Show Stoppa (It's Supa Fresh)
The B-Boys - Girls (Pt. 2)
Bad Boys feat. K-Love - Veronica
Cutmaster DC - Brooklyn's In The House
Grandmaster Flash - Larry's Dance Theme
Doug E. Fresh & Slick Rick - The Show
Tricky Tee - Johnny The Fox
Sparky D - Sparky's Turn (Roxanne You're Through)
Korner Boyz - It's On (Jazzy Jeff Scratch)
Run DMC - Darryl & Joe (Krush Groove 3)
Roxanne Shante - Bite This
Whistle - Nothing Serious (We're Only Buggin')
Word Of Mouth feat. DJ Cheese - King Kut
Rockmaster Scott & The Dynamic Three - Request Line
Masterdon Committee - Funkbox Party 2
Rockmaster Scott & The Dynamic Three - The Roof Is On Fire
Egyptian Lover - Computer Love
LL Cool J - That's A Lie
Volume 6 - 1984
LL Cool J - I Need A Beat
Whodini - Friends
Donald D - Don's Groove
The World's Famous Supreme Team - Hey DJ
Run DMC - Rock Box
UTFO - Roxanne, Roxanne
Roxanne Shante - Roxanne's Revenge
T La Rock - It's Yours
Kurtis Blow - AJ Scratch
The Fat Boys - Jailhouse Rap
Whodini - Freaks Come Out At Night
Kurtis Blow - Basketballv Davy DMX - One For The Treble (Fresh)
Doug E. Fresh - Original Human Beatbox
Doug E. Fresh - Just Having Fun
Master O.C. & Krazy Eddie - Masters of the Scratch
The Fat Boys (Disco 3) - Human Beat Box
Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
Newcleus - Jam On It
DJ Hollywood - Hollywood's Message
Volume 5 - 1983
Jimmy Spicer - (Money) Dollar Bill Y'all
Fresh 3 MC's - Fresh
Run DMC - Jam Master Jay
Fantasy 3 - It's Your Back
Crash Crew - On The Radio
Lovebug Starski - Live at the Fever
Run DMC - Sucker MCs
Kevvie Kev - All Night Love (Waterbed)
Gigolette - Games Females Play
Sweet G - Games People Play
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - New York, New York
The B-Boys - 2, 3 Break
Treacherous Three - Action
Dimples D - Sucker DJ's (I Will Survive)
West Side Mob - Break Dance - Electric Boogie
G.L.O.B.E. and Whiz Kid - Play That Beat Mr. DJ
The B-Boys - Cuttin' Herbie
Africa Bambaataa & The Soulsonic Force - Renegades of Funk
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - White Lines
The B-Boys - Rock The House
Run DMC - It's Like That
Run DMC - Hard Times
Double Dee & Steinski - Lesson 2 The James Brown Mix
Volume 4 - 1982
The Treacherous Three - Yes We Can-Can
Fearless Four - Rockin' It
Fearless Four - It's Magic
Cold Crush Brother - Weekend
Disco Four - We're At The Party
Crash Crew - Breaking Bells (Take Me To The Mardi Gras)
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five - The Message
Pieces of A Dream - Mt. Airy Groove
Star Quality & Class - Betcha Got A Dude On The Side
Funky 4 + 1 More - Do You Want To Rock
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Flash To The Beat (Live)
Jimmy Spicer - The Bubble Bunch
Malcolm Mclaren - Buffalo Gals
Just Four - Jam To Remember
Super 3 - Standing on the Top
South Bronx - Bottom Line
Nairobe & the Awesome Foursome - Funky Soul Makossa
Africa Bambaataa - Looking For The Perfect Beat
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Scorpio
Africa Bambaataa The Soul Sonic Force - Planet Rock
Volume 3 - 1981
Treacherous 3 - Heartbeat Rap
Dr. Jeckyl & Mr. Hyde - Genius Rap
Just Four - Girls of the World
Afrika Bambaataa & Jazzy 5 -Jazzy Sensation (Bronx Mix)
T-Ski Valley - Never Let Go
Mean Machine - Disco Dream
Troy Rainey - Tricky T Rap
Solo Sound - Get the Party Jumpin
Crash Crew - We Want To Rock
Disco Four - Do It, Do It
Loose Joints - Shoot the Pump
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel
Sugarhill Gang - Apache
Cold Crush Brothers (Live)
Busy B vs. Kool Moe Dee (Live)
Volume 2 - 1980
Ronnie G - Raptivity
Spoonie G - Spoonin Rap
Spoonie G & The Treacherous 3 - Love Rap
Spoonie G & The Treacherous 3 - New Rap Language
Super 3 - Philosophy Rappin Spree
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Freedom
Sugarhill Gang - 8th Wonder
Kurtis Blow - The Breaks
Funky Four + 1 - That's The Joint
Margo's Cool Out Crew - Death Rap
Volume 1 - 1979
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Superappin'
The Younger Generation - We Rap More Mellow
Kurtis Blow - Christmas Rap
Sequence - Funk You Up
Funky 4 + 1 - Rapping and Rocking the House
Lady D - Lady D
Ron Hunt - Spiderap
Fatback Band - King Tim III (Personality Jock)
Sugarhill Gang - Rapper's Delight
Lady B - To the Beat Yall
Paulette & Tanya Winley - Rhymin and Rappin
Jazzy 4 MCs - MC Rock
― scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
But you're merely validating my point. Run DMC are the figure to a ground littered with crappy rap. And as much as I love them, they never recorded anything to match "Looking for the Perfect Beat" or a dozen or so world historic Sugarhill singles.
Too bad electro had to fade for hip-hop. But thank gawd the Latin freestyle brigade grabbed the torch (guess what else I prefer to Run DMC?).
So of these 1983/1984 Rap and Hip-Hop oriented tracks, which don't live up to your standards, which do, and do you think the majority agrees on this?
Double Dee & Steinski - Lesson 1
Grandmaster Melle Mel - White Lines
Jimmy Spicer - Dollar Bill Y'all
Art of Noise - Beatbox
C.O.D. - In The Bottle
Debbie Deb - When I Hear Music
Freeze - IOU
George Kranz - Trommeltanz (Din Daa Daa)
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Scorpio
Hashim - Al-Naafiysh
Jenny Burton - Remember What You Like
Kraftwerk - Tour de France
Laid Back - White Horse
Planet Patrol - Cheap Thrills
Pumpkin - King of the Beat
Shannon - Let the Music Play
Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom
West Street Mob - Breakdance-Electric Boogie
Aleem - Release Yourself
Debbie Deb - Lookout Weekend
Egyptian Lover - Egypt Egypt
Egyptian Lover - What is a DJ if He Can't Scratch
Freestyle - The Party Has Just Begun
Man Parish - Boogie Down Bronx
Man Parrish - Six Simple Synthesizers
Newcleus - Computer Age (Push the Button)
Newcleus - Jam On It
Paul Hardcastle - Rain Forest
Rock Master Scott & The Dynamic Three - Request Line
Strafe - Set it Off
World's Famous Supreme Team - Hey D.J.
T La Rock - It's Yours
Davy DMX - One For The Treble
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Fat Boys
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Human Beat Box
Kurtis Blow - Aj Scratch
Ultimate 3 MC's - What Are We Gonna Do
UTFO - Roxanne Roxanne
Whodini - Freaks Come Out at Night
Whodini - Friends
Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
Pretty Tony - Fix it in the Mix
What I've learned with interviews for the book is A&R types and radio programmers felt that rap was inherantly connected to breakdancing, and after the movies juiced that trend, rap was slated to be completely dead by the end of 1985.
What I personally remember was the dry spell we hit in 1985 before Doug E Fresh's "The Show" and LL Cool J's "Rock the Bells" hit the charts. The Roxanne answer record had long been limping on crutches beore The Show and The Bells, so good songs were few and far between for a few months.
Then take note of all the songs in late 1985 that either were based on TV show theme songs like The Show was, or sustained 808 kick drums like Rock the Bells was. 1985 was a desperate year.
Then the Ultimate Beats & Breaks series came out in 1986, and the SP1200 came out in 1987, and all was resolved.
― PappaWheelie V, Friday, 27 April 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Got it.
Edited down to your criteria.
Double Dee & Steinski - Lesson 1
Grandmaster Melle Mel - White Lines
Jimmy Spicer - Dollar Bill Y'all
C.O.D. - In The Bottle
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - Scorpio
Hashim - Al-Naafiysh
Planet Patrol - Cheap Thrills
Pumpkin - King of the Beat
Twilight 22 - Electric Kingdom
West Street Mob - Breakdance-Electric Boogie
Aleem - Release Yourself
Egyptian Lover - Egypt Egypt
Egyptian Lover - What is a DJ if He Can't Scratch
Freestyle - The Party Has Just Begun
Man Parish - Boogie Down Bronx
Man Parrish - Six Simple Synthesizers
Newcleus - Computer Age (Push the Button)
Newcleus - Jam On It
Paul Hardcastle - Rain Forest
Rock Master Scott & The Dynamic Three - Request Line
World's Famous Supreme Team - Hey D.J.
T La Rock - It's Yours
Davy DMX - One For The Treble
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Fat Boys
Disco 3 (Fat Boys) - Human Beat Box
Kurtis Blow - Aj Scratch
Ultimate 3 MC's - What Are We Gonna Do
UTFO - Roxanne Roxanne
Whodini - Freaks Come Out at Night
Whodini - Friends
Whodini - Five Minutes of Funk
Pretty Tony - Fix it in the Mix
I maintain the Run DMC debut was not in a littered field of crap come 1983/1985.
I think your final point that the DJ could've chosen better tracks for that era might me true, but I'm not sure I'm willing to criticize his selections for that year so much.
I stand by 1985 being the weakest year for Hip-Hop though, and I do feel a portion his selections even reflect that.
But if you were Hip-Hop in 1983/1984, Debbie Deb, Art of Noise, Kraftwerk, Strafe, et al were Hip-Hop then, no questions asked (as much as say specific tracks from The Honey Drippers, 20th Century Steel Band, Pleasure, 7th Wonder, Freedom, etc. were from 1977-1981). There is a reason why Paul Winely compiled the Super Disco Breaks in 1983...
This is shown to great effect in this thread about Strafe:
http://oldschoolhiphop.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~13266.asp
That thread also shows people finally coming out of the woodwork to gush about Grandmaster Flowers the way I tried to inspire here:
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=44282
Debbie Deb was completely concocted and driven by Pretty Tony and Freestyle (Byron + Garfield), so just because she's being as melodic as say Planet Patrol, I don't see how her entire career (and the knockoffs MSI put in her place) keep her from being Hip-Hop. Did her career spawn a whole seperate genre? Sure, but revising her place in history to remove her/their initial intent isn't fair. Debbie Deb was made for and by Miami Hip-Hop park DJ's (specifically, Party Down DJ Crew I believe).
1983 has a different set of criteris for what makes Hip-Hop than anything in the past decade+. Isn't this why the majority of ILM is so anti-canon in general?
― PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 28 April 2007 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
eight years pass...