Eminem-Without Me........initial response?

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I heard it on Irish radio this morning. Put a big smile on my face. As far as I'm concerned it's fantastic, perhaps technically not as good as some of his work, but production wise far more exciting. What do you guys think?

Ronan, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

*listens to copy from vaguely illicit source*

Well, it's already better than "The Real Slim Shady" musically, I'll tell you that much. Dre must have finally stopped smoking the bad weed and gotten some good drugs instead. But it's the flipside for "I'm a Slave 4 U" for me -- in otherwards, great arrangement, but goddamn get that idiot who talks over the whole thing out of the way.

*thinks further* Ah, got it. It's Eminem's attempt to do his own "The Takeover." But Jay-Z still has him beat. ;-)

*awaits Ethan's thorts patiently*

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

For 'flipside' read 'male equivalent,' actually. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So its produced by Dre?

Mark, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I should add I meant his rapping wasn't technically as good perhaps as in some of his other work. Though it's still great.

I'm listening to it again now and I have to say that the way in which it's produced makes it sound very original, particularly the sort of climax at the beginning, very very fresh. If it is produced by Dre it makes a change from the ten Mary J Blige/Xzibit/Bad Intentions clones.

Ronan, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It has this cool throbbing pulsating bassline, which I really like. The first play on Radio 1 was immediately after Can't Get You Out Of My Head, which it's kind of like.

Graham, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned, eventually you're going to have give in to "I'm A Slave 4 U". It's the only song Britney does where her robot-voice is an asset, fer crissakes!

Dan Perry, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

dan she sings like a dinosaur not a robot

mark s, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

on no! FITE! oh NO!!

Dan Perry, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned, eventually you're going to have give in to "I'm A Slave 4 U". It's the only song Britney does where her robot-voice is an asset, fer crissakes!

Aaah...no. I mean, nothing against the robo-voice at all, but I actually think on that song she sounds like a robot trying too hard to be human. You know, if Data started wearing lingerie and began pouting.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

And no, I don't know if Dre produced it or not, but I figured the lead single would be his doing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Em's doing a lot of producing himself these days, is he not? He is not bad, either.

Keiko, Friday, 26 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The production just sounds like a less-lazy "Purple Pills" to me. As for Eminem... he seems toned down a bit. Dissing Moby? Surely there's more "controversy" than that to be told. The chorus is also very him, which means it will quickly get annoying. Still waiting to see the video with Bin Laden and whatnot...

Honda, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bin Laden's in the video? That's wicked good. When was it filmed? The CIA must be mad as hell.

N., Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also notice it has a disco beat, which is very gay for an Eminem record...

JoB, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

But Eminem is such a great gay icon, so why not go disco?

Tim, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not that safe is it?

"I know that you got a job Miss Cheney but you're husbands heart problem is complicated".

And I like the part that leads into the first chorus "get ready-cos this is about to get heavy-i just settled all my lawsuits FUCK YOU DEBBIE". Cheeky scamp.

Ronan, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like it. Lots. Lack of controversy? I'm not sure. Pete's NYLPM review mentions Eminem likens himself to Elvis, but he didn't say exactly how Em articulates the parallels: he's the worst since the King to "do black music so selfishly and use it to get myself wealthy".

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is there a "Billie Jean" sample in there? Or is it just very very similar?

Ronan, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i quite like it,don't see the billie jean connection but it kind of reminds me of got your money...i didn't bother to read the article,but i know there was something about how the whole new album was being kept under wraps in the nme,more so than usual,yet it seems to be up on soulseek..has anyone got any of it? is it the real thing?

robin, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dig the Malcolm Maclaren (sp.?) reference.

alext, Monday, 29 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

can't get the stupid synthesized horn line from this out of my head

The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:47 (seven years ago) link

sitting on the bus - deet deet deet doo doo, doo doo doo doo doo, doo doo doot doot, doo doo doo doodoo.

The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link

there's a bit in the video where Eminem is dressed as Osama in his cave and him and D12 do the running man

The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link

Did any other beat Eminem produced even come close to this one?

Evan R, Monday, 27 June 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

oh i think it's woeful. catchy though. uncomfortably catch.

i remember when it came out thinking "what the hell dr dre" - being under the assumption that he produced the majority of Eminem beats - but he had no involvement in the production, which seems obvious in retrospect

The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 27 June 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link

Well of course. He was dead, locked in Eminem's basement.

MarkoP, Monday, 27 June 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link

I remember aged 13 writing all the lyrics to this (paraphrased from memory) in the goodbye card for the coolest girl in school and her absolute disgust on reading it, which in retrospect is obviously the only appropriate response.

All-time favorite song to do at karaoke.

Any Given User (Eazy), Monday, 27 June 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link

there's a bit in the video where Eminem is dressed as Osama in his cave and him and D12 do the running man

― The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:49 (2 hours ago) Permalink

This stretch of the video is the best part, see also Em dressed as Elvis having a bathroom heart attack

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2016 21:41 (seven years ago) link

This was the best thing Eminem ever did.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:48 (seven years ago) link

^ man it's a good tune but I'll take "Bitch Please II", "Who Knew?", "Soldier", "Rock Bottom", "Brain Damage", "Kill You", "Just Don't Give a Fuck" over this one. was a good single and better than the rest of the way-too-serious album but this ain't even his fifth best single in my eyes.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 02:09 (seven years ago) link

okay, but of singles that aren't even his fifth best single, it's really good

oculus lump (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:12 (seven years ago) link

it is a catchy song, and I did enjoy hearing it every day that summer on the radio, tis true. boy, though, did he pick on easy targets....

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link

Nah-nah-nah-nahnah

Any Given User (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:20 (seven years ago) link

FUCK YOU DEBBIEEEEEEEE

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:21 (seven years ago) link

Did any other beat Eminem produced even come close to this one?

― Evan R, Monday, 27 June 2016 18:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

Renegades

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:36 (seven years ago) link


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