wait you are the guy that hates led zep right?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, bloody Astral Weeks. don't get it.
I don't if it hits as immediately hard as some of Van's other albums, but "Madame George", the title track, "Sweet Thing" and "Cyprus Avenue" have a smoldering intensity to them that grows on repeated listens for me.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i couldn't stand bitches brew by miles when i heard it in college, just didn't get it at all
Yeah, this is such a good example of something that took me some time to grow into. I checked it out from the local library in high school because I'd been reading about how innovative Miles was, and I completely hated it. Just despised it. Came back to it about 8 years later and now I can't imagine living without it. Its one of the few albums that is ALWAYS on my iPod, no matter how much I reshuffle whats on it.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I've never actually listened to Astral Weeks, but I do like Sweet Thing (only know it from Best Of)
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I've listened to that album (AW) 20 times, and I couldn't tell you which of those songs are which.
All I hear is "BRAAA- LA LAA LAAA LA". I mean, it's beautiful in its own way, but that's it.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
You better not be a Scott Walker fan, then...
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Who's he?
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
:-D
He's this lounge singer from Las Vegas who went to England and got crazy famous.
― Kaolin Warrior (KMS), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Then forgot to go home, and now punches beef.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
"pretentious" implies undeserved — i wouldn't say that about scott walker
― =(^ • ‿‿ • ^)= (corey), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Black Monk Time
― busytits (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing that irritates me about jeff buckley is that his dad is 10X more amazing and no one really rates him
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i rate him. plenty of people like him.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
but, no, he hasn't sold as many records as his son.
Often remarked upon, that they died at the same age.
Not so often, that Tim had made a load of albums and had laid off of the prevarication...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link
didn't he hire an elderly man to hit the meat for him?
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
say what?
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― scott seward, Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:03 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yes. With qualifications, i like some of their stuff, like some of the funkier parts of Physical Graffiti and most of In Through the Out Door. The rest I cant stand.
― The Curse of Dennis Stratton (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I got a couple of theirs recently.
2 was dull, zoso was alright if you skip Stairway.
As I'm with you on Phys, I'll have to checkout InThru at some point.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, back to being meh about "Tusk" etc.
you might dig houses of the holy if u like physical graffiti
all led zep rules and pwns
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
If that's the one with Trampled, I have that single.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh that's phys as well, innit?
just checked the track listing, Crunge and Jamaica etc.
Yeah, someone played it to me back when.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I should say I like parts of III, pretty much all of that except that excruciating blues workout they do on it. God I hate that.
― The Curse of Dennis Stratton (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm trying to think of a canonical album I really really don't like, but then I find I like most (what is generally considered) "good" music if I give it a chance.
― Bernard V. O'Hare (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
forever changes by love
i really really want to like it but i just don't.
― jumpskins, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I could never see what everyone else sees in
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
nah, can't think of one.
I still like "Wow" more than "Moby Grape" the first one, but hey, that's just me...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
defending led zep is like defending pizza. or oral sex. there's just no point. the goodness is right there in front of you.
tusk though! man, just keep on trying. try for 20 years if you have too. it will be worth it in the end.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, I got one from Fopp for a fiver.
Haven't played it yet, so.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Astral Weeks is ultra-classic for the bass playing alone, Morrison was backed by jazz Titans on that record
― Mangrove Earthshoe (herb albert), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah idk how peeps can't love astral weeks, so beautiful and spiritual imo
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i love all these musics, scott and van jimmy somewhere out there in "heaven" on their journey to the end of time
― enfuque (Matt P), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
except theyre all still alive
― enfuque (Matt P), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
:(
ilm used to despise van. or the brits on ilm did anyway. they were rebelling against their stepmums or something. if you check old van threads.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I think I just ~got~ Tusk yesterday! I love the Mac & loved its singles but the album is long & at least superficially disjointed, so I could never see how to get inside the album. & now I do.
― Euler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
vinyl helps. cuz when i play the vinyl i just play one side over and over and over. you sink into one side at a time.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
^ this is a good point. and if one side seems markedly better than the other(s), you can just stick with what's working. turn it over a few years down the line and get a surprise (for better or worse)
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
How can you not like Album X? It obviously deserves its classic status? I beg you to listen to it again and you will surely learn to appreciate its many charms.
On the other hand, I must add anything by The Spacemen 3 into this list. These guys are just not my cup of musical tea, it would seem.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
cecil taylor - silent tongues
haven't given up, but cecil is a tough nut
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm always surprised how boring Can albums are.
― Darin, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
contenderizer you made me dig out my copy of silent tongues and it sounds p amazing to me, what's not to like/get - incredible speed of thought/deed, rhythmic intensity, beautiful moments, moments when he's taking the piss, jazzy bits, classical bits, all cecilized for yr pleasure - just so exciting! better than punk rock!
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah actually, out of all the jazz legends, i've found cecil taylor the hardest to get into. love ornette, ayler, other free jazz bros, but I haven't had that moment with cecil. i kind of expect it'll happen sooner or later.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread is terrible
― ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I tried to get into Hounds of Love after the last big 80s poll and came up totally blank. I agree with Tuomas on Maggot Brain.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
there are tons of albums i didn't get at first but gradually grew into, and tons of them are among my favorites now -- the fall, 'astral weeks,' 'in a silent way,' 'village green preservation society.' i even like some mid-70s floyd now, which i never thought i'd come around to. i'm a lot less quick to dismiss anything than i used to be. i spent years dismissing zappa (with embarrassingly little exposure to his music), but finally hearing 'we're only in it for the money' was eye-opening.
don't think i will ever come around to jeff buckley, but do enjoy the albums of his dad's that i've heard.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what's not to like/get - incredible speed of thought/deed, rhythmic intensity, beautiful moments, moments when he's taking the piss, jazzy bits, classical bits, all cecilized for yr pleasure - just so exciting! better than punk rock!
lol yeah, i get all that and do take a certain dizzied pleasure from the record, but most of the appeal is intellectual. i'm impressed by the speed, dexterity, density, etc., but i also struggle with a kind of harried frustration. suspect that this music is simply too hyper and fractured to grant the simple rewards i most appreciate: sustained and pleasing tune, beat, tone or mood. i have the same problem with arty spazz music like zorn & projects involving mike patton, most of your more "extreme" metal and punk, even some of the giants of spiritual free jazz (a genre i do often enjoy).
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link