fast car
― goole, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link
album of the decade i think
― goole, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
is this really necessary?
― someone who seems to only rep for ghastly prefab autotuned pop (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
anyway "luv songs"
btw i'm starting a favorite song poll cuz i love this album and ilm is real boring today
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
someone revived a swan lake thread
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link
ah okay
― someone who seems to only rep for ghastly prefab autotuned pop (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
"fast car" was what i fell for first, then it was "luv songs" but i think my all-time fav is "playin in her hair" for the boxer line and CAN I GET A A? AAAAYYY
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
this is def a good poll, i'm going to have to wait a little while to think abt it
― just sayin, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link
lets talk abt the boxer line tho
"Fast Car" is the token i rep for, fuck the rest more or less
― tuomas bangs out to hardcore rap ish (some dude), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
aagh i don't know! 'ditch that...' is the one i jam the most but when i play the album i always skip it. in album context it's one of the 'fast car'/'nikki'/'she needs my love' triptych
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
i think the "she needs my love" verses are maybe the best verses on the album. "flossin' keys to your phantom and you know that she's my girl/ still you try too get at her but she push the brakes on that shit like skkrrrrrr!". and then the way the beat clangs around. also the lol rap verse.
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't wait for his new album to come out so you guys can stop talking about this one.
― someone who seems to only rep for ghastly prefab autotuned pop (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
no one wants to talk about the leaked trax! i've bumped the other tread like 15 times since songs started leaking
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:40 (fifteen years ago) link
i've only heard the lil john + rockin that shit - is there other stuff??? pls talk abt it
― just sayin, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link
So many songs on this could be my favourite, but "Purple Kisses" is often the one that hits me hardest, perhaps due to its position coming at the end of all the sex jams and being the most sumptuous of them all -it's like it defeats me completely. Like that moment in a massage where any remaining bunched up muscles you have just go totally slack, you're body saying "I give up, do to me what you will..."
― Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
so there's "my love" w/ mariah which is the next single which is really warm and sugary and has mariah wailing all over the place, naturally it's great
also there is "right side of my brain" which sounds like to me the-dream's version of "cry me a river"
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i started to love "purple kisses" after i noticed the epic backing vocal on the hook that is mixed really low
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
voted purp kisses narrowly over luv songs
still *rollin my damn eyes* @ al in baltimore
― LOOK WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLA (deej), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm repeating myself but "Got your hair did - I'm about to mess that shit up!" is probably my favourite moment on the album, it seems very romantic/seductive to me.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i think my favourite moment might the hysteria of 'she needs my love's outro - "call 911, tell paramedics to bring her AIIIR, AIIIR, AIIIR" - it's like the-dream's behind a screen watching her lifeless body being stretchered away through the crowd, but he can't get through to the action and he's banging his fists on it in vain - impotent despite his power being the essence of the song.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link
― Tim F, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:53 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the article on him in the last issue of Vibe quotes a line from the new record about messing up a girl's bangs. I can feel your excitement already.
― tuomas bangs out to hardcore rap ish (some dude), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
― someone who seems to only rep for ghastly prefab autotuned pop (The Brainwasher), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:01 (fifteen years ago) link
― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:59 PM (3 minutes ago)
i'd agree with this, but i always hear another layer on the outside -- "i'm like the air, without me she'll die" reads to me very date rapey/emotionally abusive thing to believe. HE feels this amazing romantic tragic stuff but really he's making her, and himself, miserable with some controlling bullshit. she'll be fine dude!
― goole, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
i think something about the production suggests that the-dream's being shut out of what's happening. so i guess she'll be even more fine.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Isn't it "She said I'm like the air, without me she'll die..."?
― Andy K, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.),
This is where I am at the moment. This song hasn't left my head in weeks. Also, is it just me or is this one of the most bizarre pop arrangements in a while? The part the bells and that vocal "oh-o-ah-ah" thing he does just blows me away.
― Moreno, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
"Livin' a Lie" cuts deepest, but "Fast Car" got me first.
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
"she needs my love" was initially one of my least favorite songs, i was kind of at odds w how metallic the beat was and i used to think the synths that rush in in the chorus were unpleasant but the beat during the verses is really undeniable
― happy house of representatives (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link
this is impossible but ima go "she needs my love" over "fast car". love that part at the end of "she needs my love" when his voice is super autotuned "ya better have do-octor on sta-a-andby-y"
― the "holy..." bimble (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 July 2009 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link
gonna listen to this in the car on the way to tennis
― the "holy..." bimble (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 July 2009 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link
"Livin' a Lie" is still the obvious winner here; it cuts deepest.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 July 2009 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm..."she needs my love" over "fast car"? i can hear that. i really wish there was a single mix for "fast car". the fade into nikki is one of my favourite things about the album, but i like the song enough that sometimes i want ot listen to it on its own, and there's no sense of finality EVER. *sigh*
― MTLiens (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 10 July 2009 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
this album never clicked 4 me as much as crew here raved abt it but recently have gotten big into 'she needs my love' its srsly been stuck in my head 4 the past 2 days
― johnny crunch, Friday, 10 July 2009 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
also its weird 2 say never clicked 4 me and yet i do love songs 1-3 & livin a lie
― johnny crunch, Friday, 10 July 2009 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link
"Ditch That"
― da croupier, Friday, 10 July 2009 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Though I could have easily gone with "Falsetto," "Nikki," etc. Not sure "I can't tell nobody how we is! OOOOOH!" necessarily "cuts deepest."
― da croupier, Friday, 10 July 2009 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Side, side, oh no inside, side, side oh no
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 July 2009 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link
RIHANNA BABYDREAM BABYWhat on this earth will we DO
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 July 2009 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― MTLiens (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, July 9, 2009 9:25 PM (Yesterday)
yeah i fuckin love right when nikki starts, it's like whoa shit just got real
― the "holy..." bimble (k3vin k.), Friday, 10 July 2009 05:42 (fourteen years ago) link
"livin a lie" is such an afterthought for me cuz it's so far back on the album but when i play this through i always remember how good the song is - "nikki" was one of the songs that's awesomeness hit me very late, but it's one of the most dramatic things he's ever written esp when it kicks into "and she loves me back" *string pulses*
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link
"she needs my love" has a dope beat and that pretty great rap but it's juuust on the second level imo, maybe not tho - i love the rush in of the chorus
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 06:04 (fourteen years ago) link
"playin in her hair" is the best playful, club song on the album - you can see how "take u home 2 my mama" was borne out of it but of course "playin in her hair" is way better
also it birthed A-T-L-A-N-T-A-G-A IS WHERE IS STAY
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 06:06 (fourteen years ago) link
eh there should be no comma splice b/w "playful club song"
she keeps those ch-ch-chewin on her asshole, i'm all up on her ass tho, runnin it like a cash drawer
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link
those thongs** >:(
well "purple kisses" was def begat by j. holiday's "bed" but yeah you can def trace shit out from l/h to things on lvm and e red
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link
What's the reason for this poll lasting seven months?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 10 July 2009 07:49 (fourteen years ago) link
accident
― ruffalo stance (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 July 2009 07:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess i think LvM's "ordinary" songs are on a similar level to L/H's "ordinary" songs (or better), and it definitely flows better as an album - L/H is pretty scattershot if you try to listen to it all the way through - i tend to listen to bunches of similar songs on it, whereas on LvM i think terius blends the ordinary into the epic in a pretty amazing way.
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:55 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
see this argument sounds like an 'outlier' to me
― *gets the power* (deej), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Hence ilxor's wrongheaded but understandable claim that "a lot of the songs here sound underdeveloped/unfinished" - from a 2010 The-Dream perspective, this is correct to the extent that The-Dream probably would have added more bells and whistles to these if he was making them now.
Conversely, from a 2008 The-Dream perspective "Love King", "Make Up Bag", "Panties To The Side" and "February Love", and perhaps even "Nikki Pt 2" would have all felt like they needed more work as songs.
― Tim F, Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:53 PM (2 minutes ago)
so otm
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
LvM/LK feel like tryhards, L/H is smooth all the way til the rihanna joint
― dayo, Thursday, 20 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the breakdown at the end of fast car where the harpsichord comes in = omg
Hence ilxor's wrongheaded but understandable claim that "a lot of the songs here sound underdeveloped/unfinished" - from a 2010 The-Dream perspective, this is correct to the extent that The-Dream probably would have added more bells and whistles to these if he was making them now.Conversely, from a 2008 The-Dream perspective "Love King", "Make Up Bag", "Panties To The Side" and "February Love", and perhaps even "Nikki Pt 2" would have all felt like they needed more work as songs.― Tim F, Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:53 PM (2 minutes ago)so otm― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:07 PM (3 hours ago)
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:07 PM (3 hours ago)
otm how so? i mean, maybe if i started listening to the-dream in 2010, but i've been on board since Q4 2008 soooo
― ilxor, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link
forget about the part where he referred to you
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lol okay i get it now- tim f otm as per usual
― ilxor, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah apologies ilxor for misrepresenting you. Of course these kinds of discussions will always founder on specific examples if it comes down to who liked what when (one would think for obvious reasons, but my constant surprise doesn't change the fact that the ilx modus operandi is for people to make sweeping assessments like "oh this album is like blah" and then ark up if any other person's explanation doesn't capture their own experience exactly).
my point was more trying to explain the relationship between the narrative of the-dream that underpins your assessment and the narrative that underpins mine - it's not just about liking "yamaha" versus liking "purple kisses" (esp. since most days "yamaha" is my favourite tune on LK) but rather goes to yr entire notion of what "overdone" versus "underdone" means in the context of the-dream's work.
― Tim F, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of feel like nitpicking the differences between these albums is a little like trying to explain how the first 3 Ramones albums are so so different from each other or something
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link
in general, yeah, but I suspect the differences feel more meaningful for anyone who would name one of these albums their favourite album of x year etc, as a lot of people in this thread would.
If you've never thought of the-dream as rising above a solid 7 or 8 out of 10, then, sure, it'd be a pretty pointless conversation.
― Tim F, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link
right
anyway i feel like love king is sort of a (lamer) update on love vs money more than either really builds on love/hate
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
got me dead to rights there
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago) link
ha dude what tim said isn't like an idictment of you or anything; you obv acknowledge that our terristannery is sort of outta control
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
indictment*
i wasn't being sarcastic or sassy or anything, i understand and agree. like i could nitpick minute details between Superchunk albums or something because i like some of them more than any The-Dream album.
― some dude, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
chorus of "She Needs My Love" is so massive
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i have made this point before, apparently
― jho'sh? "ice cr?m" jackson (The Reverend), Thursday, 19 May 2011 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
fast car/ nikki, highlight of the-dreams career thus far
― prego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
wait til you get to purple kisses and luv songs
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
It's grown on me a bit, but I always thought "Fast Car" was kind of silly and out of place on Love/Hate. It still doesn't seem as fleshed out as his subsequent Prince homages to me.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
it's certainly the barest, which is why i probably love it most
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Never got the overwhelming love for Fast Car. Vastly prefer Nikki (pretty sure i voted for it in this poll)
― Number None, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
'playin' in her hair' followed by 'purple kisses' is his pinnacle
― prolego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
voted "nikki" but i sort of hate alex for pointing out what a bad line "springtime, summertime, falltime, winter" is in one of these threads. now it bothers me every time.
― horseshoe, Monday, September 7, 2009 2:02 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
I like that line! There's a beautiful asymmetry to it, the way it sets up a pattern of two-syllable seasons then stops cold with this abrupt dead-end. It perfectly parallels the relationship he's describing.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
i think 'fast car' is a way better prince homage than 'yamaha', which is way overrated imo
― prego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i dont think its a bad line either
― prego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
and schoolin' life is better than both xp
― prolego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
no it's not
getting the two of you mixed up
― stalk me shithead (from the makers of tickle me elmo) (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link
it really isnt, both dream songs are way better
― prego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
lol we always seem to post right after each other aswell
― prego, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
I hadn't even realized you were different posters til now.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
where's "ol"
― some dude, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
― prolego, Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:23 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
i could buy this
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 September 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
purple kissesfast carshe needs my loveluv songsfalsettoshawty is da shit!playin in her hairmamalivin a lienikkiI luv your girlditch that...
― k3vin k., Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:27 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
besides the first two and the last one, that's a reallll fluid ranking
― k3vin k., Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:28 PM (seven years ago)
i think i stand by this
― k3vin k., Saturday, 14 January 2017 23:58 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:27 PM (3 months ago)
bump "she needs my love" down a couple, slide "shawty is the shit" above "falsetto". theyre all so close besides "ditch that..." tho for me
ha xp
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:05 PM (six years ago
actually this
― k3vin k., Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
not sure if i've listened to this album this decade
― r|t|c, Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:15 (seven years ago) link
hey it's been 5 years cut me a little slack
― k3vin k., Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:16 (seven years ago) link
this opinion holds up
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link
tbh i considered doing so recently after seeing the dance troupe that deej recently posted on rolling raps did a routine to 'i luv your girl'... but then i looked at it and i could still play all the songs in my head just fine
― r|t|c, Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
'livin a lie' is sounding great in my head right now. alfred always was right on that one
― r|t|c, Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:25 (seven years ago) link
Livin a Lie seems poignant now, like remember when r&b playing with housey beats seemed fun?
― Tim F, Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:55 (seven years ago) link
This may seem like heresy, but I could never get into this one. Probably because I heard the second LP first, and then when I came back to LP 1 it just seemed a bit too flat and not quite self-aware enough.
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 January 2017 04:21 (seven years ago) link
i always felt like that too, like i can't not be thinking 'i cd be listenin to love vs money'. i love fast car tho
― schlump, Sunday, 15 January 2017 04:57 (seven years ago) link
that is wrong, just fyi
― horseshoe, Sunday, 15 January 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link
― r|t|c, Saturday, January 14, 2017 7:25 PM (
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― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 January 2017 13:37 (seven years ago) link
i luv your girl shd be #1 i now think
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 January 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
falsetto is also just a perfect song
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 January 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
xpost "and I pray that y'all ain't serious/cos seriously, she's on my dick" still a good zing
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 15 January 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
ty also sry horseshoe, i kno. when i was younger i didn't like tomatoes + i knew that was wrong also
― schlump, Sunday, 15 January 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link