as discussed earlier here's what she put in the liner notes of Arkansas Traveler:
My early intention was to present this record with a coverphoto of myself wearing blackface. Aside from providingcontroversy for hatemongers or offending the delicate sensibilitiesof the politically correct, my sincere intention was that it wouldprovide a genuine focus on the real 'roots' of many of the tunesincluded; blackface minstrelsy. It's my contention that a blackfacetradition is alive and well hidden behind a modern mask. I believe that'blacking up' should be done correctly; as an exploration for the sourceof that hollow ring we mistakenly believe was immaculately conceived inLas Vegas, and in a context of true respect for the cultures we ape.
iirc the label had to tell her "we're not putting out a record with a white woman in blackface on the cover, Michelle"
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
I believe that 'blacking up' should be done correctly; as an exploration for the source of that hollow ring we mistakenly believe was immaculately conceived in Las Vegas
I think this is where the weed kicked in?
― Darth Icky (DJP), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
the soundcloud makes pretty clear that she's saying what _she_ thinks. "from their vantage point. well i shouldn't say their because i also mean mine. from our vantage point." etc. the "god hates" thing was said ironically/jokingly though.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
my parents listened to a fair bit of michelle shocked in the early 90s, i wonder if they've heard about this.
also never knew any of that stuff abt arkansas traveler, a record i had more than a passing familiarity with when i was 9.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
wow. at 7:30 in or so, things turn ugly.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
has anyone suggested that she was doing a significant amount of drugs before the show?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
at 17:00 or so they shut down the show and take her mic while people heckle, and she keeps trying to sing and play guitar even as everyone leaves.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
"i just want y'all to know that i did not ask for a deposit for this performance. and i'm pretty sure i'm going to be told, when i leave here tonight, that i did not give anyone their money's worth. and so now i would like to pass the hat, and ask if you wouldn't mind putting a dollar in."
this is amazing.
― s.clover, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
And my statement equating repeal of Prop 8 with the coming of the End Times was neither literal nor ironic: it was a description of how some folks - not me - feel about gay marriage.
this is pretty lol because she literally says the opposite of this from stage.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link
if I end up spending the whole time thinking about American race relations next time I blaze up I'm going to be really mad you afterwards
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
"...and in a context of true respect for the cultures we ape."
Hmmm . . .
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
Michelle Shocked should start a Kickstarter campaign. For ... something.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
if this happens ask for a rebate from yr dealer imho
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
this whole thing makes me sadi first saw michelle in abt '89 or so opening up for billy bragg, the campfire tapes had given buzz but short, sharp, shocked had not hit yet. all of us were there to see billy but this solo acoustic performer made him work to get the audience back and i became a fan through following albums, live shows(the arkansas tapes blackface idea was ...... umm. complicated, it was a whole idea of how to address blackface and minstrelsy in american music and was a half-baked idea but not racist) (now seems more compliacated)andit is heartbreaking to hear her lose her shit this way and is def fucking with a lot of the audience that supported her over the years
― H in Addis, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
"when did you stop flogging that dead horse?"
― mister borges (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
"when it was sold to Tesco"
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
ask for a rebate from yr dealer
lol I'll let you know how this shakes out but I am not hopeful
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
This is the first time I've thought about Michelle Shocked in like twenty years so clearly she's doing SOMETHING right
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
the written explanation is just...it's so full of handwaving it's almost unreadable.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
oy:
http://www.xojane.com/issues/on-my-confrontation-with-homophobe-michelle-shocked
― my cat is an eliane radigue (get bent), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
“Hey, can you hold on a second? I need to talk to the sound guys.”
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
bring your ball of yarnhttp://www.xojane.com/files/800px-Wild-Goose-Festival.JPG
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
wow @ that article, great stuff glad the writer found the notes
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
Leroy says shut the fuck up, girl.
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 21 March 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
puppet showmichelle shocked
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link
She's due on Nicole Sandler (never heard of her)'s talkshow which has just startedhttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/radio-or-not?utm_campaign=t.co&utm_source=667764&utm_medium=social
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Thursday, 21 March 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link
I am kinda gobsmacked that people find a charitable reading of what happened here -- in which she is just kinda fucked up about religion and homosexuality and tried to talk about it and fucked up shit came out -- is so difficult for some folks to believe. There's kind of a "gotcha" thing going on that I find a little ugly -- notoriously overwrought and weird singer with a history of saying dumb shit spontaneously is having her ill-thought-out words analyzed at a great level of grammatical precision to prove her homophobia. Who the fuck wants to win that game and why?
― Three Word Username, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
this is so weird, she said she would speak on the phone to the talk show host but is not picking up the phone.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
Oof
http://www.spin.com/articles/michelle-shocked-gay-rant-apology-interview
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
Is anybody listening to this radio interview? weirdness
― MaresNest, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
listening. she came on briefly and didn't sound at all well tbh. the host is being unnecessarily aggressive in my view
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
From that Spin piece:
Then, about 45 minutes into the interview, Shocked asked me to write down "verbatim" what she'd said the previous night at Yoshi's. I said that I didn't need to write it down, that I was taping with a digital recorder. Again, because I had specifically mentioned "interview" in my two messages earlier in the day, messages that she had responded to, I assumed that we were already in the middle of an interview. Shocked disagreed and accused me of recording her without consent, and insisted that I hold up my recorder to the camera while I deleted the audio file. I did so. Then, since she couldn't tell that the file I had just deleted was the audio file of our conversation, she dictated into her own recorder the date and time that I had recorded her, and asked that I verbally confirm that I had deleted the file in question. I did so. Shocked then asked me to restart my recorder and ask for her permission to record our conversation. I did.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
XP - Yea the host is kinda flapping and becoming more shrill as she goes on.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
host likes saying hashtag
― mr.raffles, Thursday, 21 March 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
kinda assuming she's on a "no such thing as bad press" high here... I mean, I haven't thought about Michelle Shocked in 20 years, so she's done something right.
― his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
her Twitter this morning is ugh. I mean...I'm not a doctor obv but what she sounds like is a person in a manic state headed for a giant crash.
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ this. Feel like in between God Hates Fags, Occupy Wall Street and matdors this exchange is telling:
I mean, this is a meaningful thing to me, and I hear you listening very carefully.
I'm trying. I really am.
But I don't…If it's inexplicable…
― Basil Ironweed (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
The whole interview seems to tie together.
I don't know if that exchenge is 'telling', it's a stumble over the start of a sentence..
― Mark G, Thursday, 21 March 2013 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
The whole recording thing is a more insane version of what Jello Biafra does during phone interviews, or at least did with mine. He asks me if I am recording and when I affirm he asks me to stop, rewind and play a little back to him so he can confirm it is being recorded. Once I did that the interview continued.
/tangent
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
i can't believe i just listened to that whole audio. yikes.
― ums (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 March 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
The whole recording thing is a more insane version of what Jello Biafra does Charlie Sheen in his state did during phone interviews
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Friday, 22 March 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
Not to excuse, but worth noting she said way back that she took the name Shocked after running away from home as a teen, then being caught and brought back to Texas for electroshock, at the behest of her Christian mother. The version of Christianity I've heard her portray/represent ect. on some live tapes seems comfortably fervent and liberal enough, in terms of early Bobby D./Arlo-type passing zingers and some passionate peacenik gospelizing. But the long and winding paper trail 'o' quotes does indeed indicate gayness as xp "a thorn in her side"; Christianity too, in terms of Old Testament fine print vs. the kind of community spirit she used to bring on stage. She follows this whole disaster (none of which *sounds* ironic; mostly amounts to "bite me", when they don't appreciate the spirit of LOVE in which her words are supposedly offered) with a aong about "trying to live without a past", and meeting a guy who's real bad at keeping it all hid, as she unnecessarily explains.
― dow, Friday, 22 March 2013 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
this happened
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
intense!
― how's life, Friday, 29 March 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
"bands Beaver Fever and Frootie Flavors"
― s.clover, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
You're no Yoko and writing on your suit is no "cut piece," lady.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
word
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
The tape across her mouth said "Silenced By Fear."
So silenced that she's in the fucking newspaper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3JUpQzOekShare
― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
Supposedly she's on Piers Morgan Live, on CNN in a bit.
― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link
"We will not be bashing Michelle Shocked," he said. "Rather, we will celebrate music, diversity and send some healing Santa Cruz energy her way."
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 2 April 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago) link