the Dr. Luke hits poll (no "Since U Been Gone" allowed)

what a scourge this man is.

i'm heavily partial to his rock songs, so

1 u + ur hand
2 teenage dream
3 who knew
4 behind those hazel eyes
5 hot

i believe i have used that same word

songs that are straight up classics to me:
The Backstreet Boys - "Just Want You To Know"
Paris Hilton - "Nothing In This World"
Pink - "Who Knew"
Pink - "U + Ur Hand"
Katy Perry - "Hot N Cold"
Katy Perry - "Teenage Dream"

songs I like but wouldn't consider voting for:
Kelly Clarkson - "Behind These Hazel Eyes"
The Veronicas - "When It All Falls Apart"
Ashley Parker Angel - "Let U Go"
Daughtry - "Feels LIke Tonight"
Avril Lavigne - "Hot"
Katy Perry f/ Snoop Dogg - "California Gurls"

songs that make me angry:
Lady Sovereign - "Love Me Or Hate Me"
Avril Lavigne - "Girlfriend"
Lil Mama - "G-Slide (Tour Bus)"
Flo Rida - "Right Round"
Miley Cyrus - "Party In The U.S.A."
Weezer - "I'm Your Daddy"
Adam Lambert - "For Your Entertainment"
Ke$ha - "Tik Tok"
3OH!3 f/ Ke$ha - "My First Kiss"
B.o.B. f/ Rivers Cuomo - "Magic"

here's my bottom 5

(worst) 1 right round
2 i kissed a girl
3 my life would suck w/o you
4 hot n cold
5 circus

u mad, "Hot N Cold" is killer

have you heard "Magic" yet?

lol i misread this as Uncle Luke and had a vision of a world of pop music so amazing i started to tear up

songs i like but wouldn't consider voting for

california gurls
dynamite
magic
your love is my drug

yeah i posted about "magic" in the other thread

i think the hook is kind of killer tbh, just wish it wasn't sung by freakin rivers cuomo and padded out by worthless b.o.b. verses

he should've saved it for someone else and repackaged it

like, third single for KP maybe

u mad, "Hot N Cold" is killer

the two things that kill "hot n cold" for me

1 the beat is really thin and unappealing
2 the hooks is obvious in a way that he usually pulls off but for some reason it grates on me for this particular song

"the hooks is obvious"

this period of dr. luke was really, really awful but i think he's really redeemed himself of late

Lil Mama - "G-Slide (Tour Bus)"
Katy Perry - "I Kissed A Girl"
Katy Perry - "Hot N Cold"
Britney Spears - "Circus"
Flo Rida - "Right Round"
Kelly Clarkson - "My Life Would Suck Without You"
Miley Cyrus - "Party In The U.S.A."
Weezer - "I'm Your Daddy"
Adam Lambert - "For Your Entertainment"
Ke$ha - "Tik Tok"

wow i didn't realise dr luke's trajectory involved falling off like that - i dislike most of this list, but the three songs i love on it are right at the start, and i REALLY love them:

Kelly Clarkson - "Behind These Hazel Eyes"
The Veronicas - "4Ever"
Paris Hilton - "Nothing In This World"

it's kind of like he had one really good idea and since getting the most out of it, it's either been diminishing returns on it or just plain bad ideas. nb the two most recent k perry singles are probably some sort of upturn but i'm still not sure how down with them i am. also nb, i haven't heard those other veronicas songs, are they as good as "4ever"?

voting PARIS of course.

i'm prolley a cheeseball, but this is a pretty hard choice between Who Knew & Hot n Cold...

but seriously, three consecutive life sentences for I'm Your Daddy

that Paris song really is great. i enjoy stuff like that and "Teenage Dream" that use the same tricks as his bombastic anthems but just glide along very gently.

imo "4Ever" is kind of shrill and monotonous and "Untouched and "When It All Falls Apart" are way way better

americans, you should probably hear "about you now" by the sugababes - it's pretty much in his soft rock mould and it was their last great song (and last song that anyone cared about, really):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvoAvPjADsE

decided to vote for "Who Knew," which has probably gotten me more emotional than any other pop hit in recent memory, and has the great narrative of totally missing the Hot 100 at first and then being re-released months and months later and finally breaking into the top 10

that Paris song really is great. i enjoy stuff like that and "Teenage Dream" that use the same tricks as his bombastic anthems but just glide along very gently.

yeah this applies to "about you now" too. there are a couple of other songs on the paris album that do pretty much the same thing, i'm surprised he didn't have a hand in "screwed" or "not leaving without you". (i still maintain that paris herself was pretty important to those songs' louche glide.)

avril's "girlfriend" and miley's "party in the usa" both fall into the category of songs i enjoyed the hell out of for two weeks but honestly feel a bit sick at the thought of listening to again.

i thought "who knew" was a kelly clarkson song for like 3 straight months

imo Pink has surpassed Kelly as Luke & Max's greatest muse at this point

i agree, it's almost too bad that he had nothing to do with "who knew"

er, "so what"

pink's career is very odd and pretty fascinating

yeah i always forget "So What" was just Max, almost put it in this poll by accident

Guys I still fucking love "Girlfriend". Suggest Ban button is below and to the right.

eh he's made so many worse songs since then that i'm feeling kind of tolerant of that opinion.

yeah maybe girlfriend but these are all apalling travesties

c'mon you stan for chris brown albums

i guess i made my bed

now you must beat a woman in it

Yeah I think I would willingly listen to maybe 7 of these songs again, most of them by Kelly Clarkson.

ugh omg everything sounds so tinny and cheap its like aural equiv. of getting shampoo in yr eyes

torn between these two:

Miley Cyrus - "Party In The U.S.A."
Ke$ha - "Tik Tok"

Flo Rida song is the worst. Katy's are okay but missing the hooks of the aforementioned.

some dude voting Who Knew freed me up to vote for the KP song...Who Knew is a genuinely emotional song, but I can't deny how much of an unstoppable juggernaut Hot n Cold really is...

nothing in this world - she can do what the others can do so much better.

I'M YOUR DADDY

didn't bother looking at the rest

"4Ever" for me, bloody great and one of the best songs of the period, period. The Veronicas - "Everything I'm Not" could actually place second. It's more Avril-ish and doesn't sound like 4Ever at all, but it's catchy beyond belief.

"Behind These Hazel Eyes"

omg i finally watched the video to Hot N Cold. they have one of those blowey wavey arms things they have at used car lots

voted "Girlfriend," which I find appalling but so gloriously constructed that I eventually decided to cave in.

If I'd heard it before voting, I would've gone w/ "Who Knew," which is actually kinda moving! That is surprising to me, as generally I find Alecia to be silly.

if you like Girlfriend, you'll love this song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4CyNvEfWoE

also this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1PaOziQrzc

agree, it's almost too bad that he had nothing to do with "who knew"

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:10 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

er, "so what"

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:10 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

and this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAhuwfaU4vs

"hot n cold" although i have a hunch it's actually one of those veronicas trax

Wow guys so glad you showed up to let us know that "Girlfriend" rips off those other songs, I hadn't heard that.

its kindof impressive how many okayish songs it rips off and still sounds shit tho

You hear all these hit pop songs on the radio over the past few years and then you see this list and you're like "Holy shit! They were all produced by the same guy?!?!?!" It's the Neptunes all over again!

"Tik Tok" of course.

def "Who Knew," i've cried to it!

Dr. Luke kinda sucks.

voted "party in the u.s.a." with "behind these hazel eyes" and "tik tok" (i know shaddup) close behind.

i didn't know he did "about you now"! that's a fine song too.

wow if "tik tok" wins this thing... >>:(

You hear all these hit pop songs on the radio over the past few years and then you see this list and you're like "Holy shit! They were all produced by the same guy?!?!?!" It's the Neptunes all over again!

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:55 AM (5 hours ago)

except that the neptunes in their peak were unstoppable and dr luke just needs to be stopped

For what it's worth, aren't the majority of these co-writes/co-produces with Max Martin, among others (but mostly Max)? When doling out credit, I think I'd defer to that dude. Dr. Luke solo (more or less) has done, what, "Party in the USA" and "Tik Tok?" And those are among the most unctuous of the bunch.

well, Max Martin did a lot of these songs, yeah, maybe half of them (mostly the earlier ones, plus the more recent Clarkson/Perry ones). I'm inclined to give Dr. Luke more credit for the tunes and the overall aesthetic here, since Martin hadn't been doing much of particular worth for a couple years before "Since U Been Gone," certainly nothing that sounded like it, and since then the only non-Dr. Luke hit he's had that has been anywhere near that good was "So What."

xp .. how is this list of songs even remotely comparable to neptunes '99-'05 ?

Aside from the fact that both producers charted with actual hits.. the similarities end there.

I think that's what snrub was saying

well the thing is, when you realised that the neptunes were behind all these hits, you were really impressed and it made you want to check out what they'd done that you hadn't heard. W/ doctor luke you are kind of angry w/ what one man has managed to do to the musical landscape. shitting on its scenic vistas.

Well yes but that doesn't change the fact that he's epically prominent, which is what snrub was saying

Snrub matrimony

I get the suspicious feeling Martin just stared pawning his demos over to Luke for a polish. Like, per KLF's "The Manual," the only reason Max Martin stopped churning them out was because he got bored of the formula, not because he couldn't, and handing them over to Luke to finish has been his way around the creative burnout, like a lazily symbiotic relationship. 'Cause Luke without Martin (save maybe Flo Rida's "Right Round," which is think is a great production) sort of sucks.

W/ doctor luke you are kind of angry w/ what one man has managed to do to the musical landscape. shitting on its scenic vistas.

― plax (ico), Monday, August 2, 2010 1:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah, i mean i like the hell out of some of these songs but this is all pretty unforgiveable, having come from one man

I get the suspicious feeling Martin just stared pawning his demos over to Luke for a polish. Like, per KLF's "The Manual," the only reason Max Martin stopped churning them out was because he got bored of the formula, not because he couldn't, and handing them over to Luke to finish has been his way around the creative burnout, like a lazily symbiotic relationship. 'Cause Luke without Martin (save maybe Flo Rida's "Right Round," which is think is a great production) sort of sucks.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, August 2, 2010 2:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

iirc it's pretty much the opposite -- Dr. Luke did simple voice-and-guitar demos for songs like "Since U Been Gone" and "My Life Would Suck Without You," Martin's role was I think more in terms of studio polish and maybe fleshing out the compositions. why would Martin do big blocky synth pop songs for 5 years, and then suddenly start writing chugging guitar rock songs that happen to all have the same collaborator?

'Cause Max Martin's background is in chugging hard rock?

http://www.maxmartinfansite.com/images/ItsAliveItsAlive1.jpg

I believe that is Max in the middle.

i'm just saying, it's like assuming Timbaland suddenly started using rave synths at the exact moment Danja started co-producing all his stuff because Timbo just happened to start liking rave synths

The challenge is there's really no control, i.e. much in the way of Dr. Luke all by himself. When I see the name of One of the Most Successful Producers of All Time in the credits, I give said producer the benefit of the doubt.

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Kelly Clarkson - "My Life Would Suck Without You" 5

this song blows dong fyi

horribly rong results

yuk

oh dear @ the top 2 :x

decent showing for paris though :)

i count at least four classic singles from the doc this year

Dr. Luke’s highest-profile single this year, for Jennifer Lopez, was met with immediate backlash; a song crediting him has not reached the Top 10 this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/arts/music/kesha-dr-luke-lawsuit.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fmusic&action=click&contentCollection=music®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront

this is consistent with Luke seeming to get less and less high-profile work over the past few years (it's weird that people cite the J. Lo single as the beginning; this has been happening for several years), though it's hard to say how much of that is blackballing, how much of that is contractual necessities, and how much of that is simple changing tastes. and... like, it's a J. Lo single, it isn't going to reach the Top 10

Changing tastes? Dr. Luke and Max Martin have been ruling the pop music landscape for (checks the release date of "Baby One More Time") seventeen years! And they will doubtless continue churning out hits for seventeen more years. They will never go away.

this is the weirdest fucking take -- denniz pop died in 1998, and virtually all of britney's early-career hits (post-"baby one more time") and most of the backstreet boys and 'n sync's hits were produced by max martin afterward. not sure it's worth rewriting history to play captain save-a-luke

after max's mentor denniz pop died, max struggled to make hits consistently until he joined forces with luke. luke has a great ear for fresh sounds coming from outside the mainstream and a total lack of shame when it comes to appropriating them. they were scammers, not masters

— jaime brooks ☭ (@elite_gz) April 30, 2021

sometimes i think i can tell which portion of a specific wikipedia article was misread to support a demonstrably incorrect take

dr puke

also this is what mister puke was doing in 1999:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6xUC7g-ask

mos def + talib kweli (blackstar) — "respiration remix"