imminent loop-techno revival

what with the reemergence of 90s proponents like Regis and Function and Steve Rachmad, techno's steadily rising BPMs, and its estrangement from current house trends, this could be the logical next step. there's certainly a plethora of single-minded groove orientated techno being released lately, albeit not at the racing BPMs associated with Jeff Mills, but with a similar kind of rough approach to sound design and production technique, currently popularized by labels and artists such as Do Not Resist The Beat, Stroboscopic Artefacts, Forward Strategy Group, and the mighty Perc Trax. whether this is actually a thing or just a natural parallel to the revival of 90s deep house tropes is yet to be evinced, but i wouldn't be surprised if in the next year or so more and more music will be referencing things like classic Tresor, Axis, Claude Young and the Advent

anyone else feeling me? if anything, we can just use this thread to post new releases that sound like they might fit in, like this new Perc/Modern Heads collab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQfxYssq8U

or failing that, just post yr fav classic 90s loop techno shit!

hardwax knows

http://hardwax.com/label/black-sun-records/

guess i should present a bit more supporting evidence, here's a few from this year:

Perc - Tension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJdFz2KK2rU

OVR - Post Traumatic Son

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Qn6h6rYOA

Pfirter - Reprticon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoqJ0-XggYM

Milton Bradley - Desperation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEI0xy5_fxI

Terrence Fixmer - Drastick (Planetary Assault Systems mix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-49hxj_RU

Samuel L Session - Inner city dust

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMaUkW5YtAM

Forward Strategy Group - BCG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXn18P9azyA

ancient methods are doing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJRP4wRmFs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvxd5INSHw0

Well I don't know, but I was surprised to see Oliver Ho's name on a wheatpaste poster in Shoreditch the other week..

I was going to start a thread asking about whether there's any recent proponents of this kind of music. Cheers!

Oliver Ho launched a new label and released an album as Raudive this year which might explain your sighting, Tracer. coincidentally James Ruskin and his Blueprint label is also enjoying a bit of a renaissance lately, one half of OVR w/ Regis (as posted upthread), a collab with Mark Broom, a couple of remixes, and an excellent track on Ostgut Ton, all very much in the vein of this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QtVk4txCDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hYtuzbo0Xg

tbf a few of these guys have been mining variations on this particular sound for the best part of the last decade and a bit, but somehow it seems like there's an increasing number of producers and labels moving in a similar direction now

James ruskins work with mark broom/ostgut seems to have kickstarted a new phase of great records considering the dire mess of IDM cliches his last album for tresor was. Its pretty clear he and mark brrom are catering to whats fashionable though (like listen to brooms stuff from 2/3 years ago), I hate to piss on anyones chips here but are all these records not just whats been called 'berghain sound' the last couple of years? Its making me feel pretty damn old considering i was buying these records the first time round (theres still a mountain of them at a mates in ireland, i may go reclaiming at xmas)

i feel you, it's hard to get excited over something that's a couple of years old in this day and age. but i reckon something like Forward Strategy Group is much harder and heavier than say "Czeslawa", which feels much closer to trad minimal stuff than Perc Trax or Milton Bradley. plus I thought the whole thing about the "Berghain Sound" was that it embraces house music styles, whereas I feel like there's this whole heap of stuff coming out lately that is distinctly um, un-house in sound and intent

yeah but actually go berghain and you'll hear hours of loopy techno. The house is upstairs usually though Dettman did play Art Dept at the start of his set the other week

Normally i just associate this with Sandwell District, who seem to be the face of 2010 gritty loops techno, and have been key in making it so popular.

I'm not especially fond of it (it's generally OK, but not usually more than that for me), but in any case, I would prefer not to think of it as "the logical next step."

jesus christ the idea of this thread makes me feel so old!

loop techno or black country techno?

i think of berghain stuff as being much more heavily swung and/or dubby (basic channel and dubstep) than the mark broom or perc trax stuff ... it's like the difference between klock or dettman's berghain mixes and surgeon's fabric mix. very different sound, though there is some crossover at the harder end of berghain and the softer end of the black country sound.

I also wonder to what extent it is a revival, in that it doesn't seem like people are consciously referring to mid 90's techno so much as just an cluster of people just moving to a particular sound (and that dudes like James Ruskin and Regis have been coming into some sort of limelight).

But as I probably implied, I'm not big on predicting revivals and logical next steps.

I fuckin love this stuff

I guess I should've been clearer, i'm not trying to get critical firstsies on the next big thing or anything, just thought it might be a fun exercise to talk about the possible directions techno might be going in, though I understand the kinda stuff in this thread might irk against some of the bobbins crew's more popist sensibilities

I'm certainly against the idea that Berghain is the last word in this thread, I'm aware of what gets played there and at Panorama Bar, have been before and heard nothing as hard and abstract as say Forward Strategy Group for instance. unless you're arguing that the Berghain mix cds aren't representative of the "Berghain sound", you can't deny that those mixes apart from maybe the Andre Galuzzi make plenty of house concessions, whereas I'm convinced that this stuff represents a clear break from house. but yeah there is crossover, just like how on say, Claude Young's X-Mix there's crossover between the hard, tightly-looped Surgeon and Man Made stuff, and the dubbier Chain Reaction stuff

perhaps it would've been more helpful to title the thread "90s techno revival"? there's also lots of records lately that are referencing the softer more Detroit side of things, that kinda dreamy Pure Plastic, Likemind, B12 kinda sound

^^ this all sounds on point to me

I hope I haven't come off as snarky or dismissive (it's not really my prerogative to call out people on their motivations, etc.).

I think my less than favourable stance on the matter probably comes from experience with blogs like mnml ssgs, who have been championing this sound for years. Unfortunately the attitude and criticism that comes with their championing is something I have found very off putting. Nevertheless, they've been doing a lot to document this sound over the last while.

hey, your posts are always worthwhile and far from snark EDB

I think there is nothing 'imminent; about it, there is a lot of loop techno here already - ben klock, new ruskin stuff. even artists like cosmin trg's music is very loopy. you could say all techno is loopy because it's so repetitive:)

agreed, but I'm talking specifically about the stuff coming out lately that references Axis, Tresor, Downwards, Djax Up Beats, the Advent, Counterbalance, Blueprint, Planetary Funk Vol 1 - 5 etc etc. harsh, noisy, and much harder than Ben Klock and the Ostgut/Berghain affiliated producers. I should've chosen a more explanatory thread title, sorry

nah it makes perfect sense, "all techno is loopy" sheesh

i'm waiting for the producer that credibly references late period loop techno - stuff like ben sims and the swedish tribal crew.

i'm waiting for the producer that credibly references late period loop techno - stuff like ben sims and the swedish tribal crew. - you might have to wait for a long time!

missingNO - some of Dettmann and Nodge's stuff, the harder releases, are very like the Lost/Cosmic records of the late 90s, which were very loopy and abrasive. worth a listen (the Lost stuff I mean). forward strategy group are making harsh loopy techno, a lot of it is very good. also, for tough techno, try the mantrap label, only a few releases, but influenced by pacou/landstrumm (techno period)/ harder tresor etc.

ancient methods :D

luke slater is the link between hard loop techno & ostgut. the last planetary assault systems' album was really good

^^ cosign

fwiw Planetary Assault Systems live this spring was some of the best techno I've ever witnessed

I am way behind on this stuff despite it being a hueg building block for me having an interest in dance music but I boned up on Ancient Methods after Surgeon put them on his Fabric mix and they seem like they're doing something pretty special

The Stroboscopic Artefacts "Monad" series is really strong and consistent, meaty stuff. What's current and excellent in a similar way?

I like this thread! I'm completely clueless about techno, I just know I like it a million times more than other dance genres. I've totally been wanting to find some badass stripped down minimalist cyborg techno and some of this stuff almost sounds like the music I hear in my imagination. More please! Full length cd recommendations for instrumental albums that aren't various artist comps would be massively appreciated!

http://www.discogs.com/Mr-James-Barth-Stealin-Music/master/96303

I love this Mr. James Barth album.

Ben Sim's Smoke & Mirrors is great. Haven't seen any talk of it here. A really solid first album. One of my top ones of the year.

damn mr james barth. fucking love this.

not so much, hey?

http://www.vacantfulfilment.co.uk/mixes.html

Squatty techno <3

This lot are doing some good stuff. Cannot wait for this in October gonna be a belter

-{ Surgeon (Dynamic Tension)
-{ Perc (CLR)
-{ Peverelist (Punch Drunk)
-{ Vito Arpino (Wunderkammer)
-{ Mime (Dystopia)
-{ Mr.F (Phonica)

http://dystopia.uk.com/

Numbers are rereleasing an Amiga made loop track:

http://soundcloud.com/nmbrs/nmbrs22-vinyl-release

yeah but it doesn't sound like swedish loop techno, it sounds like industrial millsian stuff and old neil landstrumm / cristian vogel / black country techno

actually i see that like the first time i checked this thread i misinterpreted loop techno to mean like classic adam beyer material and not perc trax etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEuvaDJmoLQ&feature=relmfu

is that a melody in the bassline? was that a breakdown? gtfo

or like ... ben sims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vC3BjNAf6Y&feature=relmfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEWGRwFrjD8

get some real loop techno in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLzV3hRvPk0

i'll spare you samuel sessions

god this track was so fucking awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3S-1Oj0pyw

xpost: Still holding out for him to release a house mix called "Samuel L. Jack Sessions"

sorry, but to get back on track

UNTOLD did a fucking awesome RA podcast partly in this vein recently, go check it out

and uh

UGANDAN METHODS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1czwCy8Si7k

^^ gets so brutal around 2 minutes

but not loop techno

it just sounds so low-energy and sloggy though compared to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-JBo723eKk

and i can't find trevor rockcliffe's sound called house but this last track kinda exhausts the genre which is the problem with tribal loop techno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BksEBHJDco

i mean six good trakcs is six good trakcs but there were literally like six hundred drumcell / primate / etc tracks floating around at one point around 99-01

one more goodun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1vZKq2VY_U

brutal disco parps and easy filters

i'll spare you samuel sessions

Thank fuck.

But some great techno there late great. :D

Damn, you slip in the Samuel anyway, lol. Reese baselines almost always a win though, so I'll give him a pass on that one.

thread title aside, this was the only one that came up when I searched for stroboscopic artefacts

what should I be listening to in this vein? I saw kangding ray live and he was excellent