TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

haha i can't even

visual appearances are more telling than one might imagine. plus he lives in portland

Not that there are a whole lot of you on this particular thread, but I really wish Corgan would stop furthering diluting the brand so that we can reach that point where the Pumpkins become more like, I don't know, Rush (to pull an answer out of my back pocket), and they can be judged solely on the music instead of some weird projection of what their "fans" must be like. Rush may not be the best example, but its the first band that came to mind when I was trying to think of a band that spend times packing arenas and being really popular before becoming a somewhat dismissed, "uncool" band with a dedicated fanbase. Of course the big difference is Rush kept on moving forward and made more good records than bad one during the thin years and were better able to come through it with a fairly strong legacy intact. At this point Corgan seems intent on destroying any and all goodwill. But, for my money, the run from Gish to Adore was pretty fucking amazing, especially when you consider all the great non-album material.

But, for my money, the run from Gish to Adore MACHINA was pretty fucking amazing, especially when you consider all the great non-album material.

Nah, Machina had way too much bloat. Combine the best of it with the best of Machina II and then maybe we can talk.

smashing pumpkins are a passable singles band

...with a shitload of awesome b-sides and album tracks

haha cant believe yall like smashing pumpkins

a strong argument

the run from Gish to Adore was pretty fucking amazing, especially when you consider all the great non-album material.

OTM

visual appearances are more telling than one might imagine. plus he lives in portland

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haha great post!

After looking at some pics of Pavement's singer just now, I'm led to believe that he's an anal retentive jerk.

Haha as opposed to the easygoing and generous Billy Corgan?

when is Pitchfork gonna start their own message board?

Nah, Machina had way too much bloat. Combine the best of it with the best of Machina II and then maybe we can talk.

b-but machina is my fav pumpkins record ;_;

You're entitled to your opinion and all but that is o_O to me. I mean, picking that album above Gish, Siamese Dream, or Mellon Collie is crazy.

Try, Try, Try is the only post-Adore song I'll fuck with (besides Zwan's Iron Maiden cover, but I think that's all Pajo...?)

I could v well be wrong in tis though...jon/via/chi 2.0 totally otm regarding everything else tho!

meanwhile Pavement is easily one of the least interesting bands on Matador; you guys deserve schmindie!

May your inboxes be stuffed with Pomplamoose and Mumford & Sons vids....

I saw Zwan three times before their album dropped, once in Indy for the acoustic Djali Zwan thing and twice during their five-night Metro stand and I was really excited about them - one hell of a live band. Pajo and Sweeney had a huge impact live and were given plenty of time to shine. But of course it all came crashing down when Corgan turned back into a control freak in the studio and made it all about himself.

SP fans are whiney

seriously the butthurtedness in this thread... nagl

meanwhile Pavement is easily one of the least interesting bands on Matador; you guys deserve schmindie!

― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

lol i love when ppl say this like they're all o.g. with their railroad jerk lps or something

sp fans take on the persona of their leader mr. billy c.

Voted pumpkins.
Have owned 2 pavement albums, 0 pumpkins.
Currently have 0 songs by either.
Have seen both in concert. pumpkins booed off stage opening for rhcp.
Comes down to a very low tolerance of clever/jokey/ironic songwriting which Pavement is full of.

there's a weird Sarah Palin effect with Corgan here - like the more he gets bashed/criticized the more his fans take that as a sign of his righteous genius

SP is just the same deal album after album. I guess they went for the electro-craze/drum machines back then, but who didn't? Not like a particularly ingenius move.

but holy shit at final votes, i voted pavement but surely thought billy corgan & the zeros would win.

I feel like Shakey Mo is reading a different thread. I see a few people trying to explain why they like/voted for the Pumpkins but I don't see a whole lot of butthurtedness.

meanwhile Pavement is easily one of the least interesting bands on Matador; you guys deserve schmindie!

― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

lol i love when ppl say this like they're all o.g. with their railroad jerk lps or something

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― call all destroyer, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:33 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh you've mentioned the Railroad Jerks; way to prove me wrong. It's almost as if Yo La Tengo, GBV, Liz Phair, Moonshake, Bailter Space, Bardo Pond, The Fall, Superchunk, Bettie Serveert, Couch, Helium, and Unsane weren't every one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement

Couch!

Come Up With The Most Boring Band Name Possible

Would take Yo La and Moonshake over both fer sure.

xp to jvc2; I'm certainly being a bit butthurt, but yeah Shakey's reading another thread:

there's a weird Sarah Palin effect with Corgan here - like the more he gets bashed/criticized the more his fans take that as a sign of his righteous genius

like where is he getting this from?

I'm not even that huge of a Pumpkins fan anymore, pretty big in high school, still think they have a bunch of good songs, but they're nowhere near my favorite band. I'm more pissed about Pavement getting all these accolades...wtf? CR, CR is the way-more-boring predecessor for whatever super-excoriated indie record gets mountains of abuse heaped on it?

bnw otm most of those other bands are better than Pumpkins too

I'm just makin up strawmen don't mind me. probably inferring to much from his slavishly compiled wikipedia entry

too much

I'm not saying frightening Corganites that defend his every move as if holy scripture don't exist, I just don't see any of them on this thread.

Pavement are the poor man's Cracker.

rich man's Cracker

cracker man's pavement

god damn the cracker man

Smashing Pumpkins are the whiny cracker's My Chemical Romance

MCR for the Malkmus Generation

smashing pumpkins is the pop band equivalent of the movie Krull. Krull can be a ton of fun to watch, but all the while you are - consciously or not - making allowances for the fact that it is Krull. likely you were kinda young when you first saw it and you still have some fond memories. most people will probably get on board with Krull being kinda fun once in a while, but if you try to compare it to a real movie, that's just embarrassing for everyone concerned.

rmde

nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship. Pavement seem more like Krull based on your description.

"the railroad jerks"

was this on purpose or

lol no not really

hahah ok

nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship

sooo... Fifth Element?

Kinda, but there's not a trace of any FIFTH ELEMENT tongue-in-cheek in SP. Enfold a fourteen year-old's sense that everyday's-the-end-of-the-world-melodrama-a-dozen-exclamation-marks and you might be close.

p sure the emptiness is loneliness quote is supposed to be tongue in cheek...

My thirteen year-old soul knows that every word that left Corgan's mouth meant what it said, nary a trace of irony.

Corgan is one lyricist where i have absolutely no idea to what degree he really means it and how much is calculated or ironic or condescending to the audience