"in the future, things may be different"
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
well Shakey for many people simply having Spotify on their PCs and phones is enough and I think the technology to stream stuff from your PC to your phone or even from Amazon to your phone already exists
"a few years" is an awful long time in the tech world
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
certainly, I don't think this service will be free
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
well Shakey for many people simply having Spotify on their PCs and phones is enough
except as noted Spotify doesn't pay musicians shit. what a great model for the future!
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
So now we're talking about the artists? I'm saying this as a "proof of concept" that most people who aren't hardcore music geeks are okay with 'just' streaming so this area may get pushed pretty hard. I don't think Spotify is the solution but the concept behind Spotify seems like it may stick around.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
I thought this whole revive was about a stupid kid wanting a digital music library available for all her devices that would, presumably, somehow, also compensate artists. and she thinks the onus is on artists and corporations to work it out. the problem is they can't.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe she doesn't care about compensation at all, I can't really tell
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
i was under the impression that the average person who uses spotify or itunes liked them! i mean like i was saying before old folks use them and if you can get old people to use them you are on to something convenient and easy.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
have always assumed spotify will increase its pricing on premium and/or limit the free service further if/when it gets enough people hooked.
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
^^^worked so well for netflix
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
people ditch models when they start charging money
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
the fact that people complained about a service that allowed you instant access to so much, commercial free, that still costs just a fraction of what cable does kinda boggles my mind
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
netflix had crap selection though. If netflix had spotify-level selection, or if it announced upgrade to that level of selection at the same time as the price upgrade, I think more subscribers would have stayed.
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
bingo, and if Spotify sticks around as is for another year or so and then starts to charge, I think people will pay
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
I pay $10/mo. I'd probably pay $20/mo -- still cheaper than a pay CD/MP3 habit.
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
Plus amazing convenience -- having an entire record library on your phone, on your work computer, etc.
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
i know this isn't the scope of this conversation, but i've often wondered about whether we'll have more text/photo/media artifacts from 2012AD in 3012AD than we have from 1012AD today. seems like physical media can stand up to time + decay much better than digital media. on the other hand, we've gotta be producing so much more even physical media in 2012 than we did in 1012. if the grid goes down and the internet ends bc of something catastrophic (would not be the first knowledge catastrophe in history) we're gonna be fucked. of course, if that happens we might have more pressing concerns than losing the pics from that trip to cancun
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
we produce way more physical text/photo/media artifacts in 2012 than we did in 1012. 1992 vs 2012 might be a better comparison.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
but it is something I worry about sometimes. How am I going to listen to these mp3s after the apocalypse?
― silverfish, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
if this service really was unlimited I can see paying $250-400 a year for it
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
Mordy even more horrifying than that is the fact that every kid born this century is going to have access to a bunch of embarassing Facebook updates and pictures from their parents. Will you want to run for president in 2036 and have someone dig up the time you "liked" that "drug test the poor" image? I sure as hell wouldn't.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
that just seems like old stuff in new form. parents have always left children with embarrassing legacies - digital or otherwise
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
if the grid goes down and the internet ends bc of something catastrophic (would not be the first knowledge catastrophe in history) we're gonna be fucked.
I think about this a lot. no one will be able to make/do anything.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
people probably won't even remember how to do basic math
that's why I still own my solar powered calculator from high school
― silverfish, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
oh come on, people will always know how to do basic math - who's going to maintain the cloud otherwise?
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
lucifer's hammer taught me to keep a copy of 'the way things work' in a ziplock bag
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
i would pay double for on demand netflix if they had real movies premiere every week. you know movies that people have heard of. i don't even know what we pay for netflix. we don't have cable anymore. since we moved last summer. don't miss it. netflix worth it for me. i would never even think about buying a dvd. unless it was a dollar.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
except as noted Spotify doesn't pay musicians shit.
People should stop making blanket assertions about this. Plenty of industry reports suggest otherwise.
― timellison, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
is that why entire labels don't want to play ball with them
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
There might still be problems with royalty rates for smaller labels - I don't know. I think just about every major label is on it and, as I said yesterday or the day before, you'd think that they would negotiate something substantial. I keep seeing the third of a penny per stream thing mentioned as something in the ballpark.
― timellison, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2012/120604youtube
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
There you go.
― timellison, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
I keep seeing the third of a penny per stream thing mentioned as something in the ballpark.
this is the part where I say "Spotify doesn't pay musicians shit"
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ paying out LESS THAN NAPSTER
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
i go to the library all the time and read books there and don't pay anything (besides taxes) for the privilege. i pay spotify ~$12 a month to listen to their collection ad-free. they have legal agreements with labels (not all of them - no tzadik, sadface) that allow them to stream the music to me. why should i feel guilty about paying spotify to listen to lots of music, and not feel guilty about reading all the books i want for free?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
libraries are not a good analogy
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno if you should feel "guilty" per se, that achieves nothing
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
why are libraries a bad analogy? bc we believe everyone should have free access to books but don't have a similar ideology about recordings?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, Mr. Que, I'm not sure I agree. The model I posted the other day was $10,000 in royalties for only 30,000 album listeners playing a ten-track album ten times over the course of a certain span of time. 30,000 listeners isn't that many, comparatively. If we're talking about considerably more popular albums, there's a lot of money there. 300,000 listeners would mean $100,000 in royalties, three million listeners would mean a million dollars in royalties, etc.
― timellison, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
free access to books=you don't get to keep the booksfree access to music=you can download the music, have it forever, you get to keep it
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
Because books go back to the library.
xpost bah
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
You can check out CDs from the library so maybe that is a good analogy.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
libraries are a bad analogy because EVERYBODY pays for them. it's the law.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
tim that is fine if you don't agree! i think a fraction of a cent for one play is insane.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw I am totally cool with taxes funding music libraries. let's raise taxes! Everybody is always cool with that!
i don't get to keep the music on spotify fwiw. if the labels pull the music, i lose it. if i stop subscribing, the ads come back.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
i just got great discarded CDs from our library during their book sale. bud powell and ligeti, yo.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
i'd totally be into taxes being used to fund a massive nationwide wi-fi network
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
sorry in my comparison i meant downloading/pirating music, not spotify
spotify is fine if you want to use it. just be aware it doesn't pay shit to the artists.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link