Midnight Eastern? Pacific?
I looked at the email and just saw December 28. Could've missed the time though.
― alpine static, Saturday, 29 December 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
11:59 p.m. wherever you are
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks. Solid thread.
― alpine static, Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/417iWd5O-qL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
I wonder if anyone has ever run for office with the last name Baroness
― alpine static, Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5185369/il_570xN.329765441.jpg
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
http://wa2.www.unesco.org/new/typo3temp/pics/4b5bdb2d72.jpg
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
http://rlv.zcache.com/vote_goat_campaign_button-p145451323235875976en8go_400.jpg
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://frankocean.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/channelorangevote.jpg
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2012 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
So everyone's voting for Hinder amirite
― Raymond Cummings, Saturday, 29 December 2012 04:22 (eleven years ago) link
Am I uncool for voting seriously (or at all)?
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 December 2012 04:53 (eleven years ago) link
Not at all. Fellows like you make our country great.
― Sax Blatterday (jaymc), Saturday, 29 December 2012 05:30 (eleven years ago) link
It's 11 p.m. where I am and it says "This poll is now closed."
This happened to me last year. I ran into technical problems with the website, was told to send my lists via email, did so (a few days later than I said I would, to be fair) and my ballot didn't end up in the poll.
― alpine static, Saturday, 29 December 2012 07:02 (eleven years ago) link
that's a bummer. to be fair, though, you could've voted early.
― fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Saturday, 29 December 2012 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
I just sent mine via e-mail, which always worked except last year, when they failed to count my votes (while using a couple of comments). I noticed something funny this morning. In 2007, voting for Imperial Teen's "What You Do," I wrote that "I hope they keep doing what they do for a long time." This year, voting for Imperial Teen's "Don't Know How You Do It," I wrote that "So I hope all three keep at it forever..." (i.e., them, Wussy, and Yo La Tengo).
So who's more out of ideas, Imperial Teen or me?
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 December 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
Out of ideas myself so will listen to that Imperial Teen record right now.
― Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 December 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
This can be the home for tardy ballots! Incl belated improvements on ones you actually sent.
― dow, Saturday, 29 December 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link
How could I have forgotten Corin Tucker Band's Kill My Blues? It does kill; so much better than her okay but autumn leaves-blah-blah-tending solo debut, and reminds us who was the true lead singer of Sleater-Kinney.
― dow, Saturday, 29 December 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
Got mind in on the second last day, and botched my singles list: immediately after sending I realized that I'd left off two tracks I like better than two that I did include. I'm way less obsessive about singles than I am abt albums in the poll anyway, particularly because of the nebulous definition of "singles" (the ilm tracks poll is broader and thus more specific in its definition) and also be l wise I'm not even sure how the ranking of singles works here (does order matter?). An well, will use the ilm poll to correct the wrongs I made with my P&J ballot anyway.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 December 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
*mine
also "be I wise" = because
sigh
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 December 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
the nebulous definition of "singles" (the ilm tracks poll is broader and thus more specific in its definition)How so?
― dow, Saturday, 29 December 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
Single implies something that was released as such, whatever that means anymore. Tracks could be any song released in any form during the year. I know that ppl tend to vote for non-single tracks in P&J but the consensus it seems to be striving towards always strikes me as being a ranking of the years best SINGLES (hence, year of impact and all that) while a track poll is, by definition, more inclusive.
Yeah, I'm bring ridiculously pedantic abt these things, I know.
― Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 December 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
No, maybe they shouldn't call it Singles anymore, since a lot of stuff is mainly or exclusively "viral" (though with no Wed Sheriff removals, and maybe labels etc think a non-release release can be more popular cos it's little bit more populist, more street, so better promotion even without royalties)
― dow, Saturday, 29 December 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link
Web Sheriff, sorry
― dow, Saturday, 29 December 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
as someone who has ranted and raved about p&j and other tracks/singles lists getting away from chart fodder and more toward the kind of niche/crit bubble stuff that has always dominated albums polls, i'm mostly ok with things that aren't strictly "singles" placing if the song has some kind of life of its own on youtube or in clubs or even just in the critical dialogue. if something's basically just an album cut that only gets voted for by people who heard (and probably also voted for) the album, on the other hand, still a pet peeve.
― some dude, Saturday, 29 December 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
i submitted a ballot a few days ago but i've already changed my personal top 10 albums. just goes to show how fickle the whole listmaking process is.
― gimme some reggae! (get bent), Saturday, 29 December 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i tend to think of these lists as a snapshot, you can and will continue to change your mind but you just gotta go ahead and commit what you were feeling at one particular moment to posterity
― some dude, Saturday, 29 December 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
"some kind of life of its own on youtube or" def with you there, ideally, but some kind of life of its own in my head is the main thing. If I have to say, "Oh wait, but is it popular enough, " might as well vote Billboard Top Ten. Although I'm not gonna exclude it because it is popular, or crit-approved.
― dow, Sunday, 30 December 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
and yeah, when you only get ten slots to fill, another reason "you can and will continue to change your mind."
― dow, Sunday, 30 December 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
Two days
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 7 January 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
results will be published in print and online the week ofJanuary 16th.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
*shutters*
― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
that will never stop being funny
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
I know! Just the thought of someone that dumb attempting to put this list together makes me cringe, but then I think of "shutters" and I lol.
― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
this is also super lol: The ilx circle jerk up boring mountain trudges forever onward.
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
lol i missed that one, where was it?
― gullible lochinski (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
boom: Is Everybody Who Edits the Village Voice Really This Stupid?
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
Everyone who submitted a P+J ballot is going to vote in the ILM poll, right? I mean at the very least you can just submit the same ballot again.
― One week left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Saturday, 12 January 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
No.
― 誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 12 January 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago) link
busted :(
― One week left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Sunday, 13 January 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
I need to remember to vote in the ILM poll! This has been a crazy couple weeks
― Raymond Cummings, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
When does the ILM poll close?
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
2012 ILM SUPER-MEGA YEAR-END ALBUMS 'N' TRACKS POLL™ VOTING THREAD (voting ends MIDNIGHT EST on Friday, January 18th, 2012)
― Four days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
― One week left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Even if we did not submit all our albums and tracks as ILM poll ballot nominations?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
I'm afraid you're not going to see me in this year P+J ballot owing to the fact that I didn't see the deadline date until it was too late (it was buried in the long paragraph of text I was emailed and not highlighted). In previous years I got sent reminders by previous editors but not this time, so I was too busy enjoying Christmas and having fun to remember to do a list. Oh well.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
Well obviously I'd rather you did use the nominations lists but anything that wasn't nominated just gets ignored in tallying, so in principle you could just resubmit your P+J ballot if you have no ability/inclination to spend extra time on it.
xp you can still submit a list to the ILM poll!
― Four days left to vote in the ILM End of Year Poll! (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
Comments up
http://www.villagevoice.com/2013-01-16/music/pazz-jop-the-comments/
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
14. Father John Misty Fear Fun [Sub Pop Records] 363 33
15. Bruce Springsteen Wrecking Ball [Columbia Records] 361 36
16. Bob Dylan Tempest [Columbia Records] 349 33
TUPAC BACK
― You Have Been Yellow Carded By a Moderator: (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
can someone translate for me
― alpine static, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link
I put one VERY BIG HIT on my ballot. Sort of. You'll see. I'm anticipating it getting no other votes in the form I listed, but I'd be happy to be wrong.
― glenn mcdonald, Saturday, 27 December 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
"Made Me" vs. "Dark Horse" is my last dilemma, I think
― alpine static, Saturday, 27 December 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link
it's hard enough to figure out how to distribute my points with just 10 albums as it is (this year i went with 15 points each for the top 5, 5 points each for the other 5).
― some dude, Friday, December 26, 2014 9:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ugh i hate the way p&j annually makes me do maths on xmas day
last thing music internet needs is more long lists where people name the records they kinda liked
music internet could do with a lot more personal lists being shared around than collective lists
― lex pretend, Saturday, 27 December 2014 10:32 (nine years ago) link
i just did ten points for everything. i hated whittling it down to ten albums so i might as well treat them all equally.
― Bill Nighy the Science Gighy (get bent), Saturday, 27 December 2014 10:47 (nine years ago) link
normally I try to do tiers and ideally the top tier would be 25 points but inevitably the sum careens toward 100 fast enough that I have to ding albums I actually liked (I usually give out a few 5s at the end but try to slot consensus picks there, as they don't need my scoring help).
― katherine, Saturday, 27 December 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
or you could not vote for consensus picks in the hope that P&J doesn't look like every other list + old fart picks by writers who haven't liked a new artist in 25 years
― strychnine, Saturday, 27 December 2014 14:00 (nine years ago) link
or I could vote for what I liked most instead of playing Rock Paper Scissors with a straw man
― katherine, Saturday, 27 December 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
I really liked "The Candy Song" by the Masters of Reality in 1988. That was the last new music I liked, so it's actually 26 years.
― clemenza, Saturday, 27 December 2014 17:38 (nine years ago) link
any reason not to post our ballots here?
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 08:57 (eight years ago) link
1. music went to shit in the '00s
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 09:00 (eight years ago) link
that seems like a very abstract reason.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 09:01 (eight years ago) link
in any case, i will bet you a shiny dollar coin that kendrick wins AOY in a walk and probably beibs for the single?
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 09:03 (eight years ago) link
i guess bc the ballots will all be made public in the fullness of time (a few weeks)?
point allocation is always a matter of "how much maths can i be bothered to do in my holiday fug"
can you actually bet on a kendrick win on any betting site, because it's so obvious i would actually do that
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 09:57 (eight years ago) link
Poor Pazz and Jop. How the mighty have fallen. I remember back five, ten years ago ILM actually CARED about it, mannnn. With anticipation threads and shit. What the hell happened?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 11:59 (eight years ago) link
capitalism
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:41 (eight years ago) link
There's got to be at least a dozen different answers to that. My own feeling is that what happened to the Voice wouldn't be close to #1.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:48 (eight years ago) link
1) too many lists before P&J2) more critics (although not as many as in, say, 2005)3) more critics who don't give a damn for P&J4) collapse of so-called "monoculture"5) VV's own problems
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link
Sounds about right. Also, even though I only posted a few times in 2005 (under my own name, before disappearing for three years), is it a fair statement that there is less activity on ILM today than there was then? Plus the VV editor regularly posted here in 2005.
As big as your #1, and it's hard to put into words, is that the idea of this really important, "authoritative" list is just dead in 2015. (I guess a version of your #4.) That had already started to happen in 2005, probably even 5-10 years before that (the heyday of P&J for me and my friends was the mid-late '80s). The only such poll that still sort of feels that way to me is the Sight & Sound 10-year poll, most obviously because of its infrequency, also because there's not currently anything like it, except for maybe the They Shoot Pictures Don't They list (which is just a compendium of other lists). And maybe that's dying, too, I don't know. I'm sure they welcomed the first new #1 in 50 years last time--kept it in the news.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 4:03 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't think it'll be JB with the #1 single, especially since I don't even know which one of his would place highest, but he'll probably have a couple pretty high up. but it's hard to say what #1 will be. could be "Hotline Bling" or "Alright" or "Trap Queen" or "Uptown Funk" or "Can't Feel My Face" but none of them feels like a lock.
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
Forgot to vote. Oh, well.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 14:15 (eight years ago) link
Weren't you going to also vote for Natalia Lafourcade...? Now I may be the only one...
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
i'd guess the highest placing Bieber will be Where Are U Now. Uptown Funk got enough votes last year that I doubt it'd win this time
― ufo, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link
i don't disagree with both of you above re: single, just trying to start a conversation given the dearth of interest for all the (real) reasons posted above. i get nostalgic for the days p&j got everyone whipped up.
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link
"Plus the VV editor regularly posted here in 2005."
she also posted here from 2011-2012 fyi
― maura, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link
(and the poll that ran in early 2012 had the highest turnout of recent years cough)
Chuck being Chuck (or Chuck being male, take your pick), his presence was a little louder? (Incidentally, I'm still recovering from my 2011 ballot not being counted, thereby costing Foster the People 10th spot on the singles list and forever altering the course of history.)
I don't think anyone's arguing that P&J isn't bigger (as measured by number of voters) than ever, just trying to explain why it's not as big a deal as 10 or 15 or 20 years ago.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
people in being defensive about erasing women's contributions shocker
― maura, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
but w/e
gradually, P&J poll has replaced my own personal best-of list for the year. I don't compile one except to submit it to P&J, and it's the only real record I have of what I liked from any given year (apart from just looking at my play counts on LastFM). There are too many effin polls, too many critics, too many best-of-lists. What's worse, most of them are the same list, slightly reorganized for each publication. What I like about P&J is that there is no single editorial voice behind the results, no aesthetic to appease or approximate.
― Dominique, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link
as a second-year voter I'm still pretty excited about it
― Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link
Surely the ILX EOY means more, or are we going to blithely assume P&J is a broader church (lol)
― probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
weird, didn't get a ballot this year
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 17:11 (eight years ago) link
umhttp://www.villagevoice.com/microsites/pazzandjop
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link
Missed the deadline this year, and only very mildly annoyed about that. I published one album review all year, I think, and a smattering of Singles Jukebox entries, so I barely feel like I qualify anymore to begin with. The ILM results are lately far more interesting anyway, even though I expect that this year both P&J and ILM will once again share a first-place album finisher (wholly deserved this time).
― Bitch I'm in the 2112 (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
"See who our critics crown the top artists of 2015!"
makes it sound like we all work for Village Voice. and have an interest in crowns.
― Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
here's a fun-ish pre-P&J game to play: Kendrick wins the album poll by the largest margin since ________ (fill in the blank, obvs).
MBDTF? Further back?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
i was serious about the betting thing, it's not offered by any of my usual sites
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
what do you usually bet on? tennis?
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link
can I bet on my centricity rating being at least 25% less... centric than it was in years prior? it's been that sort of year
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
i heard there are gold stars for that
― probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
glenn's stat pages are really half of why i still vote in this
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link
Kendrick wins the album poll by the largest margin since ________
outkast
― dyl, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
The counting is underway.
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 29 December 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
― probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:43 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuck's sake it's just a statement of fact
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 29 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
y
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link
never ever music or politics usually
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
i would honestly be surprised if there was any traditional betting organization that was taking bets on anything music-related. maybe Bieber vs. One Direction first week could've been a fun thing to bet on.
― i got a really big steen, and they need some really big zings (some dude), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
i suppose maybe people take bets on the Grammys but definitely not remotely as much as they do for the Oscars.
betting on the mercury prize seems to be an annual thing among british critics (have never done it myself as the outcome almost always seems a bit too random
― cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 07:31 (eight years ago) link
Established online betting means it seems you can bet on almost anything in the UK though.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 12:51 (eight years ago) link