Come anticipate or vaguely boggle at the VINYL rock and roll HBO series from Martin Scorsese, Mick Jagger & Terence Winter!

Er?:

The untitled Rock ‘n’ Roll Project follows the exploits of Richie (Cannavale), a cocaine-fueled record executive in New York City circa 1977, when punk, disco and a new form of music called hip-hop collided. Richie is a talented A&R guy who is elevated to run a big record label, even though he thinks he’s better suited to focusing on day to day music matters.

That new form of music, I've heard of it.

What happened to that sitcom about a bunch of doofuses trying to rob Mick Jagger?

Oh yeah: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/26/arts/television/26jagg.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knights_of_Prosperity

i guess bobby c is now well thought of as an actor but i cant take the guy seriously for some reason

i didn't think all of these kinds of music collided until superheavy

it can't possibly be worse than the rock and roll movie that terence winter's "sopranos" boss david chase made last year.

I was gonna say

no newer thread for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2irZnQMovI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPQ0v86BUA

I feel like calling this an "original series" is kind of a stretch.

jeez this looks terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=1iphllcTYOs

hmmmmmm

“The pilot for the musical drama Vinyl is one of Martin Scorsese’s best films, an explosion of amplifier feedback, nose candy, wide-lapeled shirts, and borderline chaos; the next four episodes are almost as good, and on the basis of the first half-season, it already feels like the first new must-see series of 2016.”

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/tv-review-martin-scorseses-vinyl.html

most of the other reviews are nowhere near as glowing

I'm not feeling it but I'll watch anyways.

There's more interesting stories they could tell, I feel like we've seen this one before. Also I might be alone on this one but Scorsese always leaves me unsatisfied. Even his most classic movies I always ask "is that all there is?" when they're over. Not that they're bad at all, they just reach very awkward or anticlimatic conclusions.

He also films the most unlikable characters. In movies it might work but I don't know if I can stand a full series of people with no redeeming qualities.

well it is the music industry

the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

The thump-thump-ing bass line that Richie hears as he passes a Bronx housing project where Lester now resides (sounds later revealed to be the work of pioneering hip-hop DJ Kool Herc)

lol

If Boardwalk Empire provides any kind of precedent this will be middling at best (ie, worse than Boardwalk Empire just based on the setting)

NYT's Mike Hale was mezzo mezzo on this but said better than BE (which i never watched)

As a series there was some really good stuff in it, but it didn't add up to a whole lot. Scorsese similarly directed the pilot, and I don't remember there being anything particularly remarkable about it.

'boardwalk empire' was a fairly boilerplate premium cable series but it was definitely saved by its setting and quite often by its acting particularly some of the supporting characters. it was definitely no 'sopranos' but certainly miles above something like 'sons of anarchy'.

agree w all that, especially the supporting cast - Stuhlbarg, MacDonald, Shannon, Williams, Whigham, Huston, Mol were all really good. But this VINYL premise is so stupid (I cringed reading about that Carpenters' bit at the end of the article) I don't see even a great cast saving it.

This is gonna be terrible
I cannot wait

15 minutes in an realized it's a two-hour Scorcese-directed pilot.

the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow)

waiting for confirmation here cuz that's sure what I thought

what's the name of this show again?

VINYL

http://www.stereogum.com/1859526/richard-hell-reviews-hbos-vinyl/franchises/sounding-board/

Cocaine is not like getting a cattle prod up your butt. Everybody knows that. Cocaine is sweet. A warm smile would suffice.

I stopped halfway through the long-ass pilot and probably won't finish tbh

Hell's review and general assessment of recent Scorsese is bang-on imo

agreed

disappointed that this isn't called HOT STAMPERS

Nussbaum's writeup in the New Yorker predictably but correctly connects it to Sanneh on rockism.

/the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow)/

waiting for confirmation here cuz that's sure what I thought

I haven't seen this show yet, though I plan to. And I have no interest in the predictable claims of rockism.

But it seems the moment for a TV show about the New York music scene in the late 70s passed about ten years ago. I can't see many people caring. I barely care, and I'm pretty much the target audience for this show.

By the way, if you want a GREAT retro show, I suggest The People vs. OJ Simpson.

yeah, the oj show rules

You people are crazy, that OJ show is complete garbage.

Vinyl's subject matter could be about the right wing WMC skiffle scene in 70's Dewsbury for all the difference it makes, when it is done this badly it's setting is completely irrelevant.

Only halfway through it but this is ... not bad? Still has the potential to be really bad tho. Scorcese quoting himself a lot but also keeping things interesting. Lot of italians playing jews. Ray romano is great.

this was p bad

maybe will stick w it a few more, i do like that adam rapp has some writing credits on upcoming eps

i also like juno temple, shes incred consistent @ playing slight variations of the same character in everything she does

I nearly ruptured my cringe pipes at "Robert Plant"

This could've been made by anyone. A lot of it is just embarassing (Zeppelin?! Really?). And Jagger's kid is awful.

However...a friend plays Bo Diddley in this so I'll give it that ;)

Does he flirt with a Sylvia Morales character?

"robert plant" is hysterically bad. "peter grant" is about 1% as ferocious as he was in real life. the scene where bobby cannavale almost discovers the birth of hip hop is excruciating. so much to dislike in this yet i know i'm going to keep watching.

hamfisted needledrop

better name for the show

im starting to kinda like this show tbh

i wonder how dice feels that it lifts like 5 things from ford fairlaine... he prob feels fine i guess

well they did put him in it

ya prob a nice paycheck

i liked this new ep also, more for the wifes scenes than the coke hallucinations

I feel like every ep is worse than the one before but I keep watching it anyway, maybe bc I find the milieu interesting

I don't mind the recreated superstars at all actually, feel like you have to suspend disbelief no matter what and it's obviously cartoony so I can give it a pass

Less into a storyline that feels labored and cliched

this show is so transparently indebted to (or just copying) the Mad Men formula that it's kind of remarkable. right down to the female assistant working her way into a higher level job, the former model wife, the inscrutable genius (presumed) of the lead. but no Roger, Harry, or Pete like characters--which makes all the difference.

just watched last week's episode and boom like the fourth "fight club" plot in prestige television in the past year or so, this one handled far more hamfistedly than the leftovers or mr robot. the specter of elvis in last night's ep will keep me watching but not sure if i can stomach a second season of this

SPOILERS i guess

♪♪ Hey Girl I Want You ♪♪

I think like scene to scene the writing/dialogue on this is p strong idk canavale has grown on me also

mini spoiler but no one cares & its not important -- didn't get how the vegas casino would've known the $ canavale lost would've been tied to romanos hotel rm

literally only just realized this guy is vinny delpino omg

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/vinyl/character/julius-silver-1024.jpg

its a casino's business to know who drops $90K in a night and figure out ways to get them back in. it would be someone's responsibility to recognize Richie and know what room he was staying in.

this is one of those shows where I watch assuming it's going to be 100% garbage and am pleasantly surprised when it's not

it's still definitely Mad Men + every "hindsight is 20/20" 70s music cliche

trying to walk that tightrope between actually being sexist and portraying women of the era as they would have lived

devon living at the chelsea and the ny scene stuff is halfway between mad men and forrest gump in terms of cheese

yeah i'm the same, Lester's EAB scene the only memorable one so far, i think. i like cannavale, romano, and parisse well enough. curious what they are working towards with clark and jorge with the DJ but expecting it to be stupid. also weird that kool herc appeared and was dropped (?) already.

I think having the actors portray actual historical figures with speaking parts is going to be kept very minimal, which I think is wise. Having John Lennon or Andy Warhol popping up every other episode to interact with the main characters would be horrible. They already pushed it with Warhol.

i kinda enjoyed the elvis scene.

heartbreaking

I've seen him in a few roles since then, but every once in a while I can only see Bobby Cannavale as "that creepy fucker from Boardwalk Empire"

God just got as far as episode 2 and thinking that watching any more might just be too much of a chore.
Nice to see teh Velvets but then again I guess they are just part of the furniture if you're thinking about rock from that time now aren't they?
& seeing somebody like the Grateful Dead might not make good tv or something.
Do wonder who else they could have used though. Hendrix doing stage showmanship? Townshend breaking a guitar?

people are still watching this?!

Has Butch Firbanks showed up yet?

some choice tidbits about the guy who plays Joe Corso
In 1998 Dietl's autobiography One Tough Cop: The Bo Dietl Story was made into the film One Tough Cop starring Stephen Baldwin
The plot in Abel Ferrara's crime drama Bad Lieutenant is mainly inspired by Dietl's 1981 investigation of the rape of a young nun
Dietl appears in commercials for Arby’s fast-food restaurants
Dietl plans to run for Mayor of New York City in 2017

Dietl is in Bad Lieutenant.

Lawsuit!

http://pitchfork.com/news/65307-dj-kool-herc-sues-hbos-vinyl/

Good riddance.

http://deadline.com/2016/06/vinyl-canceled-hbo-season-2-martin-scorsese-and-mick-jagger-1201777356/

so unbelievably terrible

makes sense now that they have another probably terrible prestige rock and roll series to replace it with

i had always planned on watching it bc i really like bobby cannavale but oh well.

just want HBO to get going on that deadwood movie now tbh.

bobby cannavale is better in every other thing he's ever done

feel bad for ray romano though

another probably terrible prestige rock and roll series

what is this I missed it

it felt like salvaging it would be really difficult but possible, so I'm a little surprised, especially since they gave a third season to the leftovers (which is obviously in another league artistically but I doubt its ratings were even as good as vinyl's).

what is this I missed it

cameron crowe's "roadies." debuts this sunday.

has such a high-profile series had a renewal taken back like that? kinda wow

that shit is on showtime xp

oh! i wasn't paying attention, apparently. but how is that NOT on hbo?

hbo is prob smart to pull the plug on this, similar to axing luck when it did

i think subject matter wise it wasn't going to appeal to many people and artistically it sounds like it was a dead end for whatever reason. though i guess Arli$$ stayed on the air for like twenty years or something.

hbo is prob smart to pull the plug on this, similar to axing luck when it did

difference is luck actually killed horses, vinyl restricted itself to simply flogging dead ones

the kernel of a good idea in the premise was itself a blatant rip off of mad men but they couldn't match the writing of that show even a little, and seemed more content to be a boring jukebox instead.

haha it's so funny after falling asleep during the 1st episode twice and not finishing, i tried just skipping ahead to episode 2 last night and god what an unrelenting piece of shit

mook dickhead coked up macho record company hustlers are about the least appealing protagonists in the world, such terrible dialogue and zero real understanding of the era musically

barf

Vintage seventies (or sixties and eighties) magazine ads for albums

has such a high-profile series had a renewal taken back like that? kinda wow

Not this high-profile maybe, but HBO has been known to roll back renewals, most recently with the apparently horrible Tim Robbins/Jack Black war "satire" The Brink.

and yeah, Mann/Milch's quite good Luck, though those were...extraordinary circumstances

Oh man, that is nuts. The show was clearly a mess, but I liked it anyway. And I loved the Elvis episode.

rip coke-fueled rockist fantasy

I'll admit to having watched the whole thing. It had a half-dozen moments with good character performances or set pieces, but the underlying plot progression was based on characters having these epiphanies about punk and disco being viable directions, despite the old guard's complete lack of understanding, and a dismal subplot about organized criminals. Who'd have seen that coming, organized crime backing the business in a Scorcese production?

philips/polydor buying casablanca records right at the peak of the disco boom and then having to deal with the decline would make a great office politics/drug/music story. fuckin boomers. scorsese was his own worst enemy here.

but then there's this strange detail i just found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bogart

In 2013, Justin Timberlake signed to star in the feature film Spinning Gold, a biopic of Bogart written by his son, Tim Bogart.[4]