Ask Nilmar/Nakh

Nilmar which composer reminds you of deems the most?

wtf x 2

1 We have a logodaely (sp) and 2 youve never even heard my stuff

Why do you like Nilmar (the second rate football player)?

maybe shostakovich, similar morbid wit and fractious relationship with dangerous hegemonic forces, stalin and the kgb for dsch and ilx' social justice industrial complex for deems

nilmar i don't have any particular affinity with i just used the name

he is better than second rate, i would say 'quite good' and deserves his lucrative semi-retirement in arabia

How would he compare to TWP?

"He was fond of satirical writers such as Gogol, Chekhov and Mikhail Zoshchenko. The influence of the latter in particular is evident in his letters, which include wry parodies of Soviet officialese. Zoshchenko himself noted the contradictions in the composer's character: "he is ... frail, fragile, withdrawn, an infinitely direct, pure child ... [but he is also] hard, acid, extremely intelligent, strong perhaps, despotic and not altogether good-natured (although cerebrally good-natured)"

Is the Nilmar I Facebook friended actually you?

Fair, kind even

To what extent and in what way do you identify with naxcivan

shostakovich : deems :: bartok : ?

velko

is that related to his fondness for folk songs?

there are lots of quotations from folk songs and other composers

similar dissimulating sort of remoteness

during bartok's last exilic years he would venture to hotel bars and nurse a glass of whisky while listening to melancholy piano jazz

did you hear that jose james record?

xp AHAHAHAHAH

idk jose james

Stockhausen: ?

xp I feel like you'd like it.

Nakh what is your radio station of choice?

what is the password to the 77 board?

logodaely (sp)

all lowercase, mind

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

or at least, broadband electronic waveforms, generated either synthetically or in a controlled feedback environment, that might constitute 'harsh noise' under certain interpretations

or at least hip enough so LJ can like it without his friends mocking him ;)

Stalin is harshly treated itt

Stockhausen: ?

― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:58 (5 days ago)

this has to be our lj doesn't it?

that would make the 2007 ilx cohort the darmstadt school but i don't think we have a boulez

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

― imago, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:42 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk about this, dumitrescu is probably the closest in spirit, maybe the most ~noize~ of current composers within the classical tradition and there is an lp of his computer music floating about which is rather caustic

zbigniew karkowski studied with xenakis though ~classical compositional techniques~ are not immediately evident from the things i am familiar with most of which are harsh noise / power electronics

there's something of Boulez in Whiney.

you pronouncing that bully?

maybe that question would be better addressed to milton parker

josé james seems pretty neat from a few things that they have on that youtube

it's not the sort of music i generally know much about

Best modern fusion of neo-classical and noise (though not that harsh) would have to be Venetian Snares iirc

venetian snares is some of the worst music literally of all time ever

No, it's not.

And apart from your judgement call, it does merge noise and classical music in a pretty unique way.

boulez and whiney isn't a bad comparison, but boulez started off in full kill yr idols mode before becoming more refined and bourgie

whiney seemed like a relatively peacable ilm poster before he joined ansar-al-rapgame and started throwing molotov cocktails around

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

Marianne Amacher?

amacher was brilliant

zbigniew karkowski studied with xenakis though ~classical compositional techniques~ are not immediately evident from the things i am familiar with most of which are harsh noise / power electronics

i have a kinda lol kinda sad story involving hanging out with him! (karkowski not xenakis)

boulez and whiney isn't a bad comparison, but boulez started off in full kill yr idols mode before becoming more refined and bourgie

Lol whut?!

Boulez was a perfect schoolboy, boy next door in the way he learned and got to form his own style. Boulez was delicate, dipping his toe into the hot waters of atonality, and his examples like Messiaen etc. Nothing 'kill yr idols' about it.

suggest you wikquote boulez

Not since Wagner had a composer played the bully to such effect. Boulez’s tactics were exuberantly brutal: he compared himself several times to the Bolsheviks and to the Chinese Red Guards. He placed Stravinsky in his neoclassical period at the head of the “useless.” He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.

André Souris described young Boulez as a "little savage", "full of a sort of anonymous rage". ILX describes Whiney as

Bully in words, but in music, when he started out? Not so much.

But then this is not the Ask LBI thread....

Milton Parker was reading a book about Darmstadt at the party when he, geeta, and I were hanging with Shakey and his progeny

idk what bully in music would sound like? it's difficult to get that cockney rejects / gravediggaz sort of leering aggression using just a piano, anyway

i am intrigued by the idea of a music that combines pianos + shouting

a nakh on wine column would be a splendid read even though i don't drink.

― hammer smashed nagls (mattresslessness), Thursday, 26 February 2015 20:32 (Yesterday)

this is something i could post more about if there is any interest

yes, by all means

the 'black wine' from cahors in france

love a good cahors.

zero interest, please do!

lol

a thread of adjectives you'd use to describe wines imo

Fresh tennis ball

opinions on Georgian wine

never tried it. the georgian varietal rkatseli was supposedly the most widely planted grape in the world during the soviet era and there is a site somewhere that sells soviet era georgian bordeaux type wines (maybe blended with local varieties) at relatively cheap prices for 30 yr old wine, no idea if it is any good. the last out-of-the-way wine i had was something called ixsir grande reserve from lebanon which was very good.

/rkatsiteli/

Popular CIS wines tend to be very sweet but saperavi ages well and can develop quite a lot of complexity. Anything sold as saperavi will be sweet but Mukuzani, which is often seen as the most prestigious red, is aged in oak longer and has a good, dry, smoky, red fruit vibe.

this is pretty academic for me but really enjoying the wine notes itt

same

xp there's a shop here sells saperavi, it's nice. I don't know that much about wine but I was very taken by the sales pitch and the fact they call it "living black wine". From what the dude in the shop says viniculture was basically invented in georgia but I have no idea whether that's actually true

can u get a white cis wine sv

there is a very long history of viticulture in asia minor, the caucusus and the levant and some ancient authochthonous grape varietals that haven't really travelled. the white version of chateau musar in lebanon is partly made out of obaideh which is thought to be a distant ancestor of chardonnay. mountainous and isolated areas in general tend to be good at retaining local varietals and realness is a useful sales pitch to have in a cluttered market.

http://i.imgur.com/sntGwux.jpg

nakh can I email u somehow

sure, the webmail link should work

The oldest winery archaeologists have found is in Areni, Armenia. That said, that's also where they found the world's oldest shoe and there's no guarantee they invented those as well. Wine / brandy is a huge part of both countries' national identities though. It's a shame most restaurants in Moscow serve bad French and Italian stuff instead - even some of the Georgian ones.

heartening to read that the student custom of drinking wine out of a shoe has such a long history

nah, of drinking wine and losing one shoe imo

archaeologists disagree
teach the controversy

nakh, have you ever had a wine from the central coast of california?

never bought one but probably have at some point, there is very little reason to buy american wine in this country because the import costs and pricing reflective of the domestic market make it uncompetitive and consequently very few retailers stock a good selection

california cabernet sauvignons and chardonnays are mostly not made in a style that sells well in this country when it is directly competing against bordeaux or white burgundy, and if people want a warmer climate style then higher end wines from south america or south africa are far better value

Gonzales, CA! That's near where I grew up

do you have any use for American roots music?

(i.e. country/blues/bluegrass/folk aimed at a popular audience, excluding highbrow/academic/esoteric stuff like John Fahey and Henry Flynt)

Do you play an instrument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WBNa6Jl0w

nakh is this real or a parody

i dont think you need nakh for that

(ignoring disciplinary boundaries)

iyo have yr political views remained consistent, synchronically & diachronically?

have you ever felt politically conflicted, confused, uncertain; have yr political views undergone some significant reconsideration/ revision/ refinement/ complication/ alteration?

(btw wd not be offended if you skip this q)

they are not radically dissimilar to how they have ever been, in the sense of simple political economy, without ever having given much indication of caring publically about it there's no need for a sort of identarian agonizing

thoughts on political history or why politics are as they are, particularly in this country, changes quite a lot from time to time, not in a predictable way and not in the sense of radically altering normative concerns, this seems to me a useful sort of uncertainty

so corelli barnett doesn't invite interest in the selsdon group and someone like carl schmitt whose diagnosis of political forms/affects probably has been quite influential was himself a sort of sordid political idiot so in that sense it's quite distant from questions about what to do now

re music qns no background in music at all, re old american vernacular music i like a lot in some instances but don't have much knowledge of, i like the sort of old 78s ian posts youtubes of, alan lomax archive stuff.....modern country etc i know nothing about.....not following a lot of american music in general recently though

the slav squad thing looks pretty real, the top of the multistorey carpark setting looks to be a tribute to the 'ill manors' video by plan b, the first great mainstream protest song in years and an important influence on my lack of interest in british people emoting about politics

http://worldmusiccentral.org/wp-content/uploads/svetlanaspajicgroup2012-500.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wyqIqgt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fREXl49.jpg

Maybe Ask Sharivari what their vkontakte scene is called

nakh will you have been aware that there was guards called to the shooting of the Vincent Browne show this evening on foot of intimidation and homophobia from water protesters

deems la my irish knowledge is dreadful as you might have noticed

vaguely aware of the water protest thing but not interested enough to bother finding more about it

clearly there's enough water around to dilute to homoepathic levels the fluoride that should be keeping them compliant and docile

nb dayo there was an article in i think the new yorker or some other american publication a few weeks ago that mentioned this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26176692

http://i.imgur.com/EXOytZ0.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk_%281936%29.jpg

日本語: コーヒーと煙ブレーク中のムスタファ·ケマル·​​アタチュルク - 1936。
Deutsch: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, während der Kaffee-und Rauchpause - 1936.

kaffeezeit!

XD

wine question:

orthodox opinion as far as i know is that the best chilean wines are cabernet sauvignons from maipo and sauvignon blancs from casablanca, do you agree? if so what are some recommendations?

What is the best NME article u ever read

Wait is he back somewhere or are you just hoping he’ll reappear and answer

When do we pray, silby, why, and to whom

We need to build runways