My kingdom for a band that sounds like "Trout Mask"-era Beefheart, "Totale's Turns"-era Fall, and "Dub Housing"-era Pere Ubu

i don't have a kingdom. i have a 2-bedroom apartment. it's just a saying.

all at the same time? that would be really noisy.

ILXORS AGAINST NOISE

the easiest to get that sound would be to do it yourself, to found the band yourself.

yeah but that takes work. it's easier just to click "download folder" on slsk.

gonna chuck this your way more in hope than expectation. not beefheart enough but then what is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_vh6Gjdhyo

i want something clangy and studenty and secretly r&b

this is pretty much the area that a lot of the bands on ron johnson records were working in right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiTrlVJOn94

yeah, good call!

us maple?

xpost - yeah I was thinking that sounds pretty much like a description of most of the Ron Johnson roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAEx5rzK4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Us32cLyeQ

basically watch rhodri marsdens youtube channel

Let's try that again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAEx5rzK4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Us32cLyeQ

Yeah - I just noticed Rhodri has cornered the market in Ron Johnson clips.

as per Ron Johnson, maybe Dog Faced Hermans or mid-period records by The Ex?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=olneyville+sound+system&oq=olneyville+sound+system&gs_l=youtube.3..0.22.1674.0.1853.20.5.0.14.14.1.336.886.1j2j1j1.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.LQc3Mk_k1Jc

maybe?

remind me to dig up the collection of dog faced hermans mp3s i amassed like a decade ago; that's really good stuff.

they were the best band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvZ50kX_5t8

Slovenly might be in the right ballpark, but they're a lot more Ice Cream For Crow than Trout Mask

Surely this is The Best band?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZT1tWVQwCk

this thread just went from excellent to out-of-the-ballpark.

oh god I just had the idea of putting Deep Turtle's There's A Vomitsprinkler In My Liverriver into this thread. you should probably ban me before I go too far. tbf it fulfils every criterion except 'secretly r&b', for it is secretly alien communication. actually it doesn't fulfil any criteria except being the closest thing to Beefheart I can think of

fuck it, only live once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8mRPIC8Y4

i was hoping "secretly r&b" would lead someone to post an ian svenonious band or early devo.

i mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuM691ffS-I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzTqtAToSC0

Early TFUL282? This song is a pretty good Fall meets Beefheart weirdo rave-up ^^^

tful282otm

yes!

see also: Fibulator

A whole thread of bands that kind of sounded like this (or at least it sort of seemed that way at the time) -- Not just the one the thread's named after, either:

Bogshed - kings of swing: discuss

Part of one of my posts on that thread, for instance, refers to "sorts of post-fall/beefheart bands (bogshed, big flame, nightingales, membranes, meat whiplash, shrubs, janitors, pigbros, slaughter joe, etc.")

Dub Housing might admittedly be a harder trick to pull off, but let's not get nitpicky.

Not sure Meat Whiplash have any place in a post-Fall/Beefheart list. Their one Creation single was so much of a Mary Chain rip-off that it was widely believed to actually be the Mary Chain.

yay i'm not too late for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-PmQ3dFQvs

http://cliffrichardsneck.blogspot.co.uk/2008/06/stump-3-peel-sessions.html

this is really recommended cos i think it's the best recording of these songs, especially the last 4 tracks which are butch and near-funky and more David Thomas-y than most of the 80s Beefheart nuts

Claw Hammer (late 80s/early 90s band from Los Angeles on SFTRI) is a good candidate as they were massive Ubu/Beefheart heads... perhaps not so much of a The Fall sound.

xpost, but my first thought was also totally Thinking Fellers. I heard them before Beefheart, and was subsequently unimpressed by the latter mainly because his thunder had been stolen.

Damn you beat me to the Stump punch. Thinkin Fellers prob the most otm sugg itt.

i have a claw hammer cd around here somewhere.

God that Stump thing is utterly OTT irritating

Oh wait, they were English/Irish, that explains it

That Clawhammer album where they cover the whole of Devo's Are We Not Men? is really good imo. Actually I don't think I ever heard any Clawhammer that wasn't a cover.

My kids are obsessed with that Stump song btw, but I did have to explain to them that it wasn't the sort of thing they should be singing in public.

Haven't heard Totale's Turn, but Troutmask and especially Dub Housing are a big influence on my band, Disco Zhivago... Could do worse?

http://soundcloud.com/discozhivago/live-bootleg-club-85-june-2013

related if not exactly bullseyes:
ahleuchatistas - what you will; (minutemen / beefheart style instumentals)
dead rider - the raw dents;(ex us maple mr rittman goes scott walker-y)
d.rider - mother of curses (as above - earlier album itchier & scratchier)
singer - unhistories(again rittmann post us maple w/ creepy prince-y harmonising);
people - people;( jazz guitarist mary halvorson goes no-wavey w/ kevin shea on drums / lyrics)
people - misbegotten man;
god is my co-pilot - speed yr trip;early 7"s or japanese "history of music" vol.s 1 & 2 compiliations (EARLY half japanese/ DNA multiplied to the Nth degree)
arto lindsay trio - aggregates 1-26;( arto takes holiday from adult bossa nova to deliver the skronk)
David Thomas & the pedestrians - the sound of the sand; (ROCKIN)
henry threadgill - too much sugar for a dime; (i don't know why i have included this in the list - go and listen to it, though)
ornette coleman - of human feelings;( wilder than "body meta" and "dancing in yr head" )
BLURT. BLURT. BLURT. listen to blurt
good for cows: bebop fantasy - ches smith on drums, devin hoff on bass. punky sloppy "jazz" messing around with time sigs on simple killer grooves.
smith hoff halvorson pavone: "calling all portraits" scruffy no-wave "jazz".
tussle -kling klang ( US retro no-wave dudes - kinda tune-free but good for shaking yr butt to)
lake of dracula - skeletal remains ( weasel walter's no-wave glam costume rock band feat al johnson on backing whoops & heather from scissor girls & marlon magas from couch)
the scissor girls - here is the is not (take a listen)
sightings - city of straw / arrived in gold (screechy non-rock "rock" fushitsusha meets DNA???)
natural dreamers - natural dreamers ( deerhoof dudes go (more) trout masky (than usual))
pregnant neck - if you can find any
kenny process team - 94-97 CD on bingo records collects all of their ronnie hazlehurst meets conlon nancarrow guitar instrumentals onto one cd. commonly refered to as "the shadows play beefheart" they had a kind of afro pop/ joe meek thing going too.
red krayola's "blues, holler & hello's" endless grooves, two songs played at the same time, moog bloops.
rope cosmetology - go find some: tom smith / KSV bandcamp page
THIS HEAT - all,
and by extension laddio bolocko - you can't live without these.
and the noseflutes / stump / tful 282 / big flame / DFH /US maple as mentioned above and most importantly BOGSHED

Okay, that's the rest of my month's listening sorted then

xp - I've heard about half of those, but you should listen to them because they are awesome, not due to similarities between Beefheart and that Fall album, because connections are a bit tenuous

massaman gei = new iglu ferrignu guise...? Lack of props for Hampton Grease Band makes,me uncertain

Btw Totale's Turn has some p great stuff tho I dont quite have the love for it that I do for In a Hole or even Legendary Chaos Tape. Still worth checking out, as That Man is awesome as is the versions of In My Area, F Jack and Rowche. Recent deluxe ed. has the 3rd Peel session which is ultra classic: v trippy take on New Face in Hell, definitive version of New Puritan and a very early appearance from Jawbone and the Air-Rifle

Almost forgot: No Xmas for John Quays!!!

also Tussle aren't very no wave tbrr

Part of one of my posts on that thread, for instance, refers to "sorts of post-fall/beefheart bands (bogshed, big flame, nightingales, membranes, meat whiplash, shrubs, janitors, pigbros, slaughter joe, etc.")

― xhuxk, Sunday, September 22, 2013 12:01 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Peel had a whole load of bands in the mid 80s that he referred to as 'shambling' I assume quite a few of them were aware of each other, had been wondering if referring to them as a scene was accurate, they did seem to be dotted pretty widespread across the UK from what I recall. Not sure how networked they were. & think they may have been the other main group of bands sharing tape space with the ones that C86 became more stereotypically known for.

The John Robb book Death To Trad Rock has a few of those bands detailed in it, in a similar way to Azzerad's This Band Could Be Your Life does to the U.S. Scene. it had a companion cd that had a track each by the bands in the book.

Recent group in this tradition is Sarandon, who turned out to feature former Big Flames.

xpost Shambling is generally used to refer to the more amateurish end of the jangle pop groups, and it was indeed a scene - connected by fanzines, venues and bills, but yes - this strain of post-Beefheart made up (the forgotten) half of C86. And these groups would crop up in the same fanzines, venues and bills as the poppier groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PyhjmncqSI

I know they're not really a trendy name to drop but I tell you who is a really good answer to this: That Petrol Emotion. Fairly popular at the time but really critically underrated, especially by the Melody Maker. I swear by the first two albums which were big on the twin guitar Magic Band thing but a heck of a lot more propulsive than the Peel-ish likes of Stump etc as you woukld expect from their background in the Undertones. The second album especially is fantastic (Babble - ignore the hit single off it though cos the cod-rapping on it is kind of embarrassing though maybe it would have worked with David Thomas singing that part). Third album onward they started to go more in a George Clinton-y funk direction which never really worked for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtqsjaU3MPI

^ also u&k: MX-80 Sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06UBxYJUGo

^ bit more of a concise MX-80 offering

i guess i should have better described tussle as "retro-dubby-post-punk-instrumentals"
and yes,
MX80 sound and the hampton grease band you knows it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSAR0ZfXYE

^ Men & Volts song from 1984 in which they pretty much write Cruiser's Creek a year before the Fall, but in a more Beefhearty style

I'm still waiting for a CD issue of Men & Volts' Tramps in Bloom. One of my favorite 80s guitar records...

This sounds like a description of about half the bands on the John Peel Show between 1981 and 1986.

"coming up next tonight, a new track from the Stitched-Back Foot Airman..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T7enwi7VXQ

C86 seemed to kill off a lot of those bands, though some of them were on it

My kids are obsessed with that Stump song btw, but I did have to explain to them that it wasn't the sort of thing they should be singing in public.

― i'll be your mraz (NickB), Sunday, 22 September 2013 06:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What percentage of kids would join in if one started up "How Much Is The Fish?"

It would put "I am Spartacus" to shame, for sure.

can never get over that wiggy stretch of bass solo in "tupperware stripper" - it is mind melting

One of my all-time highlights was getting Kev Hopper to pop into a thread here.

how do we get him to pop into fushitsusha as guest bassist for an album?

ask: http://www.spoombung.co.uk/Contact.htm

that was just idle fantasy, but you know what - i did just drop him a line about that !

yay.

Noseflutes.

Yes. At least they meet the remit of the thread title closer than any others here that I'm aware of.

"people - people;( jazz guitarist mary halvorson goes no-wavey w/ kevin shea on drums / lyrics)"

okay i think i actually heard these people and it was one of the worst things i've ever heard in my life.

really memorably horrible though cuz it was years ago.

Really kind of shocked Fat Worm Of Error hasn't been mentioned yet (although I haven't heard that era of the Fall, so I dunno, maybe they don't fit):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-h3C-hZGOg

"people - people;( jazz guitarist mary halvorson goes no-wavey w/ kevin shea on drums / lyrics)"

okay i think i actually heard these people and it was one of the worst things i've ever heard in my life.

― scott seward, Monday, September 23, 2013 5:33 PM (Yesterday

That is the common opinion, sadly. I think W3asel is the only other non-member of the band I know besides me who thinks they are brilliant and awesome

any excuse to post these two really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BqXEbsmB3A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOAStfrwLQo

and since we're talking about scotland DAWSON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX9bWhjTKK0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRbZLfrGrV0

"biceps (do you wanna feel 'em?)"

nectarine no.9's "fried for blue material" was pretty ace in that northern Britain nasal glam skiffle w/ random tape edits way. sadly the rest of mr henderson's n#9 albums were a bit too orange juice for my tastes.

how'd i forget the gorgeousness that was badgewearer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jjbwvf1xQ

found this while rooting around for old dance-punk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjFEIPpym98

the curtains' "fast talk" & "flybys" deliver the VLIET (w/o vox), (before they went wide-eyed 60's shaggs-pop) if not the here-required fall/ubu aspect.
monotract are worth a punt, and there's a cd on sub-rosa called "bokan! music from the margins" which is wayward french teens without formal music skills having a go. i'm sure the contents of this can be sampled and it can be purchased / DLed by those interested in it