Stupidest effect

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Is it the Talk Box?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Auto-wah?
Whammy pedal?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it possible to do anything with a chorus pedal that doesn't scream "1980s!!!"

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I will append a question mark to that statement.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link

No, No, No, Yes.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The Whammy Pedal is brilliant though perhaps a little tough to use.

The auto-wah, when used well, is a hell of a lot of fun and can sound pretty damned cool.

The talk box, though pretty limited, may be the silliest effect, but boy can it be fun to mess around with. "Fun to mess around with" often means "stimulating creativity," and in that sense I very much like the talk box.

There's quite a bit of chorus that screams "1992!!!" isn't there? I seem to recall the popularity of one Small Clone just exploding after some fellow from Seattle was discovered to use one.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know that I think any effect is really and truly stupid, but the hardest one to use in a musical way is probably the ring modulator.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Distortion is totally dumb.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Martin OTM

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Jordan OTM

It's been done people!

Pablo (Pablo A), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

flanger kinda makes me mad

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah flanger stinks. But I don't know if it gets any more classically stupid than harmonizer pedals.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Flanging is great. All effects are great. The only stupid effect is using no effects at all.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

it's all the idea. not so much the tastefulness of technical chops of man or gear. i mean, 6 or 7 years ago i was like, "eh, pedals pretty much suck" because the early and mid 90s were filled with a lot of hooky pedal stomping etc etc...

but look at lightning bolt... attach a gajillion pedals to the biggest bass amp possible and he gets a really wacky sound that works alongside some catchy riffs. the riffs being crucial too. i think we can all agree that if the good part about the song is JUST the pedal, it's probably a pretty weak tune.

m.

msp (mspa), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

omg!
people hating on distortion. world gone mad.

g-kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 08:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Surely it would be the early 90s GRUNGE pedal.

Like, dude. Get one overdrive.

We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

harmonizers arent bad, you just have to use them creatively, which 99.999% of people dont. that goes for pretty much any pedal, except reverb and trememlo which are 99.999% always good :)

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Wah. tissp! wins.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I was going to link to Last Gasp Arts Lab's range of "noise FX", which include such items as "Oscillo-fuzz", "Rattle crow resistive filter network" (which I do quite fancy, actually) "septic green distortion" (or something like that anyway, but the company seems to be relocating, and there isn't much useful at the site right now, so...

Stupidest effect = selected items from that year in the late '90's/early '00's when Dod went fucking insane, and released a bunch of effects in novelty packaging, w/wacky, "humorous" parameter names on the front panel. The "Grunge" pedal was the best known, I forget what the knobs were called on that one, but there was the related "death metal" pedal, where the knobs were labeled "R.I.P." "Scream", "Guts" and "pain", the "punkifier" which just sounded shit, the "buzz box", which was an octaver and a grunge built into one box - a novelty effect that you'd probably only use on one solo, the "gonkulator modulator", a grunge distortion, and a really sick fixed-frequency ring modulator, which was the same, but moreso, and others. I have the "vibro-thang" tremelo/phaser, which is actually really good, the controls are labeled "rpm", "drop", "intensity" and "image", which isn't too bad, in that the names bear some relationship to what the knobs actually do, but I also have the "Milk Box" (!) which in some respects is a pretty good guitar compressor pedal. The controls are labeled "quarts", "cream" (which goes from "skim" up to "whole"), "pasteurisation" and "spill". Which is worse than useless. You have to look at the manual if you want to use it. And if it isn't broken, like it is at the moment. OTOH, the pedal is painted white, with black patches like a cow, and the manual has pictures of people wearing cow masks on the front, which is awesome, obviously.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

The Milk Box is a pretty good comp and I agree about the Vibrothang... You forgot the meatbox which is a subharmonic generator not for guitar but for bass!

The Buzz Box fetches crazy dollars on ebay cause everyone thinks it was endorsed by Buzz from the Melvins. That's only sort of true though, since Buzz had nothing to do with it. Apparently the story goes that some guy at DOD wanted to make a pedal that sounded like Buzz's guitar on some of the songs on the Eggnog record. It so happens that Buzz used an MXR Blue Box (really unstable sounding distortion with two octaves down) on that record, which is I guess what the Buzz Box is inspired by. I just think it sounds like a chainsaw cutting the legs off of a pissed off bear, and that's really hard to work with if you ask me. (And I like over the top distortion.)

What's with all the hating on flangers, man? Get one Cure record.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A local music shop got the whole range in (except for the meat box, which was one of the ones I was interested in) and I went through them all one Saturday afternoon. I remember thinking that the buzzbox and the gonkulator would wind up being "collectable" just because they were so useless, and were obviously going to be the turkeys of the range.

I was kind of hoping they would make a phaser as part of the range, because I like phasers, but inexplicably, they didn't.

I can remember some others:
"Juice Box" (iirc a sub "tube screamer" type effect
"Supersonic Stereo Flanger"
"Deep Freeze" (bass chorus)

There was a regular chorus pedal called the "ice box" as well?

I remember seeing the Dod catalog for the next year, and they'd simplified the paint jobs on the pedals, and ditched the daft parameter names. Kind of dissapointing, but understandable.

I should really get my "milk box" fixed, but it'll probably cost more than the pedal is worth.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha! I own a Buzz Box, and it's TERRIBLE on guitar, but you know what? It sounds FUCKING AWESOME on keyboards. Before I owned a bass I would play basslines by running my little Casio keyboard through the Buzz Box and turning the octave all the way up. It sounds incredible, just like BLLOOAAHHBLLOAAHABLLOAAAH. I actually thought of nominating the Buzz Box for this thread but didn't JUST BECAUSE of how cool it sounds on cheap keyboards.

HEY GUYS obviously there's no such thing as a "stupid effect" because any effect is ok if you use it "creatively" but this is not a serious thread, so let's get back to voting on the STUPIDEST EFFECT PLEASE.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Running keyboards through effects pedals is great!

Too bad I don't actually have any effects pedals. :(

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, I'm having real trouble admitting that any effects are stupid but as long as we can agree that it's just a bit of fun I'll have to nominate any kind of granular effects. All of that max/msp granular noise stuff is pretty overdone and dated at this point.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been running my Yamaha synth through a flanger onstage. With organ sounds you can get a bit more of a Hammondy vibrato. It's not perfect but every little helps.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey n/a, if that's good, you want to scrape up for one of these:

http://www.blacet.com/FD.html

It's fucking AWESOME. It has a mixer for squarewaves at 1/5 down, 1 oct down, and octave and a fifth down, and a rotary control that goes all the way to 12 octaves down. It does actually sound good on guitar as well! I played my guitar through it, and I was like, wow I'm the residents!

OK stupidest effect = talkbox. I like to keep my dental fillings intact!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

One trick pony effects tend to err on the side of stupid.

I made a really lo-fi fuzz pedal that pretty much strips all the attack out of your playing. Makes everything you play through it sound like 8-bit videogame music. I never named it and only used it once, so I guess that was kind of stupid.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"so let's get back to voting on the STUPIDEST EFFECT PLEASE. "

haha

ok, it's obviously Phase then.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Phasers are the best effects ever.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

those DOD gonkulator ring mod pedals were pretty great and cheap for being ring mod pedals...those things get expensive.

flangers are pretty stupid. especially w/ slow sweeps. swooooooooooosh swooooooooooosh!

6335, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Phasers and flangers are great. Hush up.

We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Phasers are great. Analogue string machine through phaser is just about my favourite sound ever.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

ugh. the only phaser i liked was the rotovibe. otherwise it's always screamed 70's the way chorus screams 80's.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say maybe reverse gated reverb, only Brad Laner and Kevin Sheilds ever did anything interesting with it, and consider the source, Phil Collins/Hugh Padgham/Peter Gabriel, uncool!

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Technically a flanger is a special case of a phaser, and chorus is a special case of a flanger... part and parcel and all that...

I'm trying really hard not to launch into the physics lesson to which I'm making reference. ;)

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i think if plug-ins count, winner is AUTOTUNE!!!!

am0n, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a hardware version of autotune too...

and I think you may be right.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I think a clear winner is starting to emerge...

We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Nobody has even mentioned any stupid effects yet!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is offensive.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

what about those 'acoustic' pedals that are supposed to simulate an acoustic guitar sound from electric guitars? i've never actually heard one, but the whole idea sounds pretty stupid.

6335, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread makes me sad...

John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, 6335 OTM.

http://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/acatalog/ac2.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Phaser is the best pedal ever. To the point where I have played only using a sampler, delay, chorus, phaser, ring mod and overdrive.

Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link

"only"

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread makes me sad...

-- John Justen (johnjuste...), November 2nd, 2005.

if it's any consolation, i do own two flangers. and really, one of them is sort of not stupid. (digital ibanez flanger from early 80's)

6335, Thursday, 3 November 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, the acoustic simulators are all pretty crap.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw an ad recently for an Autotune type effect, but specifically for drums,like fixing drum hits automatically and such (i forget the name, but it was in recent issue of TapeOp). imo "instant perfection" shit like this is by definition stupid.

am0n, Thursday, 3 November 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it called Alsihad?

We might force K8 to change her name to Marie. (kate), Thursday, 3 November 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

sitar swami?

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Thursday, 3 November 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

That "sitar simulator" pedal is actually some kinda weird take on a phaser, and since phasers are the best effects ever...

I've never heard anyone get that thing to actually sound like a sitar though, so that's kinda stupid, yeah.

martin m. (mushrush), Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost - well its a ProTools plugin. it's called TL Drum Rehab

TL Drum Rehab provides engineers and mixers with precise enhancement of drum tracks in real-time, regardless of performance, equipment or recording limitations in the original track. The state of the art TL Drum Rehab interface offers a wide choice of processing, ranging from subtle enhancement of existing drums through to automatic replacement of entire drum tracks, creating a flawless masterpiece from a less than perfect percussion track.

am0n, Thursday, 3 November 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

tl drum rehab is vapourware. the software you're thinking of is Drumagog and by all accounts it's excellent (yet to try it out myself tho)

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not so much about "instant perfection" as it doesn't time-correct the hits. it's a more sophisticated sound replacement module.

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Friday, 4 November 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Drumagog is more for taking an existing and presumably good performance and fixing, say, the shit sound of the kick by systematically replacing the kick hits with a different sound sample of a kick that sounds the way you'd like it to.

The only problem with Drumagog is if you replace with samples across the board you obviously lose some nuance, especially if your drummer does a lot with ghost notes and stuff. (I guess you could replace very selectively with several different samples per drum to keep those inflections, but it'd obviously be more tedious.)

I've never used Drumagog because all the drums on my stuff are fake (done in Battery), but I know a lot of engineers who regularly use it in cases where the kit sound is less than stellar but the performance is good.

martin m. (mushrush), Friday, 4 November 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

nah i found the ad, it was def. drum rehab i was thinking of. the ad has this ridiculous picture of a frustrated drummer. but you say vapourware.. it doesn't exist yet?

drumagog sounds interesting.

am0n, Friday, 4 November 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah drum rehab was announced and no more was heard.. it's become a little bit of a running joke on some of the pro audio forums..

john p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 5 November 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

Bumping amazing thread that braeks my brain

you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 08:17 (nine years ago) link

I think drum rehab did end up coming out and got used by nobody

a cheese has occurred (electricsound), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 08:57 (nine years ago) link

what would be the most inappropriate and fucked up thing to run a "sitar swami" through? (n.b. I do not own a sitar swami, but I like this idea)

sarahell, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 09:05 (nine years ago) link

the sitar simulator

a cheese has occurred (electricsound), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 09:41 (nine years ago) link

this got made then?

https://www.avid.com/US/products/TL-Drum-Rehab

am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link

shit didn't see your post, es haha

am0n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link

I wish I still had the DOD Buzz Box.

Immediate Follower (NA), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link


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