Best FIlms About Filmmaking

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
I just watched "Living in Oblivion" for the first time last night, and I started thinking about how many great self-reflexive films there are about filmmaking. Here's a few (I won't include experimental films, because there are thousands)--

8 1/2
Day For Night
Living in Oblivion
Contempt
David Holtzman's Diary
American Movie
Sunset Boulevard
Stardust Memories

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Storytelling

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the french lieutenant's woman

(i think day for night is my fave)

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hollywood Ending

Moston (Moston), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The Player

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Thursday, 23 September 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

How did I forget "The Player"?????

A lot of people claim "Day For Night" as their favorite, but I never cared for that film--of course, I've only seen an English dubbed version. It just seemed like most of Truffaut--too sappy & sentimental for my tastes.

"8 1/2" is probably my favorite, because it takes the most subjective and fantastical approach, which in the end becomes the most realistic: filmmaking is always a blur of ambition, as is life.

"Contempt" is a close second. I love the special features on the Criterion disk, especially the discussion between Fritz Lang and Godard.

"Living in Oblivion" (despite it's early '90's indie cliches like doors closing to end the scene) was fantastic. It made me laugh and cringe at the same time, having been in those situations before. It was a good reminder of why I never pursued narrative filmmaking: working with ego-driven actors and crew is insanity. The idea of "collective art" is great in theory, but in practice it's a disaster waiting to happen. It's amazing indie films come off at all--you really have to love the medium to go through that kind of hell for little to no pay.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 23 September 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Man Bites Dog
You Shoot I Shoot
Shadow Of The Vampire

Mil (Mil), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Bowfinger! The best movie either Steve Martin or Eddie Murphy has done in ages.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i forgot "the player" too - scratch that. "the player" is my favorite.

you're right, jay - "day for night" is one of the more sentimental of truffaut's films. but i find his delight really contagious in general, and it spills out everywhere in "day for night". i like how that film isn't about any particular kind of movie... just movies in general, the good and the bad alike, and how there's something magical about the welles stills in the dream sequence and the absurd "pamela" movie - even if you know how all of the "magic" is manufactured. i don't really have any angle on the film that hasn't been written about to death, but it works for me. and i wouldn't even say it's in my top 3 truffaut films.


i also thought of:

ed wood
the man with the movie camera (though i suppose this falls into the experimental category)

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

what's really sad is when i see a trailer for a film that is just like the movie-within-the-movie from 'The Player'.

"Traffic was a bitch."

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 24 September 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder if screenwriters ever pitch scripts that are like "'the player meets (something else)"

a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Friday, 24 September 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link

"just movies in general, the good and the bad alike, and how there's something magical about the welles stills in the dream sequence"

I'll eat my hat on this one. You're absolutely right about the effectiveness of the "universal movie" being made, and the theft of the citizen kane posters is an absolutely beautiful scene that any filmmaker who was once a kid in love with the movies can identify with. i'll have to watch this film again, this time with subtitles!

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 24 September 2004 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

'CQ' was a BAD movie about filmmaking. There were good parts; Gerard Depardieu was gold as the socialist director anxious that his film didn't preach the revolution strongly enough, the music was good, the design was good. The main character SUCKED, though. I hated him, and had ZERO sympathy for him or his relationship, no matter how much I tried.

I loved 'Ed Wood'.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link


Michael Powell's "Peeping Tom" (literally about photography, but it's clear what Powell meant)

Jerry Lewis' "The Patsy"

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Bad And The Beautiful" & "Two Weeks In Another Town" are both great.

"The Last Tycoon' is an interesting failure.

My favourite film about filmaking is "Irma Vep"....

David N (David N.), Monday, 27 September 2004 23:32 (nineteen years ago) link

The Tango Lesson
Anything by Caveh Zahedi

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 27 September 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

CQ was great!!!

PVC (peeveecee), Thursday, 30 September 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

CQ was a mess.
How about The Five Obstructions?

evil bill (evil bill), Saturday, 2 October 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Adaptation. Loads of people seem to dislike it, but I thought it was brilliant.

Wooden (Wooden), Saturday, 2 October 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

sunset blvd.

naturemorte, Friday, 8 October 2004 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

MullHolland Drive.

and CQ was not a mess. It had a charmingly loose structure.

PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
singing in the rain

lukey (Lukey G), Monday, 22 November 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Cecil B. Demented

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 22 November 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link

The Big Crimewave (Canadian title: Crime Wave) by John Paizs is essential viewing. There's an article about it over at Cashiers du Cinemart; beware that the second section is fairly spoiler-heavy - although this may be outweighed by the slim chance of finding an old VHS copy of the movie.

Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Friday, 26 November 2004 07:29 (nineteen years ago) link

You've got a lot of them listed. Are we allowed to mention Kiarostami?

Also: Albert Brooks- Real Life

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 29 November 2004 03:28 (nineteen years ago) link

And, out from left field, Dennis Hopper - The Last Movie.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 29 November 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Lost In La Mancha! Such a strange, meta film, how the story of Terry Gilliam trying to make this doomed film version of Man of La Mancha at what most consider the twilight of his career to be essentially a retelling of Don Quixote's story precisely.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

good one!

There is some good stuff about looping in Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
BEWARE OF A HOLY WHORE. fasbinder's bizarre parody of his own tyrrany and chaos on the set of WHITY (i think).
worst ever: abel ferrara's dissapointing THE BLACKOUT featuring matthew modine and dennis hopper who says ridiculous shit like ("we're vidiots! its the video revolution!")

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:54 (nineteen years ago) link

BEWARE OF A HOLY WHORE. fasbinder's bizarre parody of his own tyrrany and chaos on the set of WHITY (i think).
worst ever: abel ferrara's dissapointing THE BLACKOUT featuring matthew modine and dennis hopper who's character says ridiculous shit like "we're vidiots! its the video revolution!"

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sullivan's Travels?

andrew s (andrew s), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 07:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Mitchell otm. And, as with many Fassbinder films, once you accommodate yourself to his sadistic bullying it becomes extremely funny.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

ken l, yeah. like the part where one of his actresses runs up to him and he just slaps her for no reason. then in her defense, someone punches him in the stomach and he falls to the ground in existential agony. what a weird sense of humor!

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not saying that that kind of sadistic bullying is funny. The opposite. But if I'd watched enough of his films and didn't see that kind of stuff coming I'd be a fool and/or I wouldn't be able to sit through the movie. I'd say he often takes the point of view of a cruel god manipulating his creations and the viewer has to deal with that.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

restored Canadian Crime Wave (1985) by John Paizs, praised above, restored and showing at NYC MoMA tom'w night

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 November 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.