2006 NLCS New York Mets vs. St. Louis Cardinals

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Although admittedly, labelling the Cards as "so good" is a bit of a stretch. They might fluke their way into a WS title with ridiculously inconsistent play a la the 1997 Marlins, though.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Or the way the 1997 Indians almost won the WS in the same year!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost)

Hah, yes, I stand corrected re: Yanks/Tigers.

Tigers/Yankees was the WS!

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

some BB ... where ppl don't even know what the World Series is. Shasta sounds like John McGraw (and dresses like him, I hear).

Did Miller ask Morgan on ESPN Radio if those two solo HRs count as MANNAFACTURED?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The strike zone sucked last night btw.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Where the fuck is Earl Weaver these days, seriously? Why didn't he ever become a TV analyst? Considering his style of managing (playing for the big inning, heavy reliance on stats and batter-pitcher matchups in particular) I'd think he'd have a lot to say about the game today and the old timers wouldn't fuck with him because he was CLUTCHTASTIC and could win pennants.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought earl weaver was dead?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rumours of his death have been ... well, you know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Weaver

apparently he was a TV analyst inbetween his two stints managing the O's.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

he's 76 years old, probably too old to be on tv. ;_;

"weaver on strategy" is a great book, one of my dad's favorites.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember Weaver doing games when ABC had em...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The 'infamous' radio appearance on that Wiki article was an off-air gag.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

he's 76 years old, probably too old to be on tv. ;_;

John Madden is around that age and ... oh, wait.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs, you're so cute when you're flummoxed.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

and the rest of the time!

(I'm not flummoxed, I want to gut Jeff Kellogg)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"The strike zone sucked last night btw."

It was brutal for both teams though. Glavine got some calls that were just baffling.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no idea how accurate that Fox STRIKE ZONE thing is, but if it is even half right, I'm guessing some umps are getta yelled at in the off season.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

doesn't mlb use some sort of propietary strike zone measurement thing now to evaluate umps?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the infamous QuesTec? haven't heard much about it this year.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i know the centerfield camera's at an angle, etc, but the FOX TRAX strikezone doesn't seem very accurate

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Sheehan on the Valentin K in 8th:

What I found highly amusing was the sequence that followed on Fox. The FoxTrax graphic, which has consistently shown the umpiring to be a disaster, popped up briefly. Before it could be activated, the game went into a commercial break. They didn’t return to it until a batter had been retired, at which time they highlighted the replay with some sponsor’s logo, and “showed” that the pitch was just on the outside corner.

Now, take this with a very large grain of salt, but I’m just distrustful enough of the powers involved here—-Fox and MLB-—to speculate as to the timing of the graphic and the information it provided. To have that tool, which had consistently shown the home-plate umpires missing pitches time and time again, show up to confirm perhaps the biggest called strike of the series, and to do so after ten minutes, after it had nearly been used in the immediate aftermath of the pitch... it just seems terribly CONVENIENT. The pitch didn’t look like a strike, Valentin didn’t think it was a strike, no one I talked to thinks it was a strike.

Regardless of whether that pitch was called correctly or not, the inability of these umpires to call a consistent, correct strike zone has been one of the biggest stories of the postseason. It’s not just big strikeout calls that change games. Take Yadier Molina’s at-bat in the fourth inning. Home-plate umpire Jeff Kellogg called a 3-1 pitch well off the plate a strike; Glavine threw essentially the same pitch on 3-2, and Molina had to swing, because even though it was not a strike, he couldn’t be certain the guy making the call was going to see it that way.

Keith Law, over at ESPN.com, has dubbed it the “Heisenberg Strike Zone,” which is a label I can’t top. Until and unless we concede that humans can’t do the job with the precision needed, however, we’re going to continue to see baseball games worth millions of dollars decided by funcationaries making a few thousand.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I sort of hope the Mets pull it off just so they can be destroyed more thoroughly by the tigers. it will be like that scene in Jackie Brown where that Arquette broad is all harassing DeNiro and he's like STOP IT STOP IT ::SHOOTS HER DEAD::

(9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't buy that Valentin analysis. You could tell as soon as the pitch went by Valentin, he didn't even hesitate or protest... his knees buckled and he walked back to the dugout.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the Valentin pitch looked like it was close enough that Valentin was crazy for not swinging at it. Whether it was actually a strike, I have no idea, but I don't buy the Fox conspiracy at all. Some of the pitches they did show looked AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL on that Strike Track thing. If they were really serious about not making MLB or the umpiring look bad well I think they might have used it more judiciously at previous times. It was just a weird commercial break thing which makes Fox look greedy and incompetent, not trying to cover anything.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Shasta, I def saw Valentin shake his head after the call (and I don't think it was at himself). are you trying to be wrong more often than Tombot?

Forgot to mention the Mets jersey I saw in thestands last Friday:

KAZMIR

Imagine the bitterness.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

FOX STRIKE TRACKER THINGY V. K-ZONE FITE

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Shasta, I def saw Valentin shake his head after the call (and I don't think it was at himself). are you trying to be wrong more often than Tombot?

Dude, Q: How many batters after striking out while looking shake their heads like Valentin did?

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

If you ask me, I'll say a lot (unless your Michael Tucker and then you just start arguing).

If you ask Morbius, he'll construe it however it best defends his stance (and/or the Mets bullpen VORP).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet it happens tonight, too! And not just w/Valentin either! Someone keep track.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I enjoyed listening to McCarver give his analysis of how a pitch didn't get called a strike because the catcher couldn't frame it while trying to throw out a runner. Then FOX TRACKER UMPRIE LOL PATROL showed it to be like 3 feet outside.

And then calling Chris Duncan an odd choice to pinch hit before he homered... dude is a moron. I think he doesn't know what to say because Jeter is out of the playoffs :(

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

as the pitch went by Valentin, he didn't even hesitate or protest...
-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), October 18th, 2006.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

And then calling Chris Duncan an odd choice to pinch hit before he homered...

Elias Says

Just how rare was Chris Duncan's pinch-hit homerun? In the 1,164 postseason games played since the American League and National League champions first met in 1903, there have been only two other occasions on which a left-handed batter pinch-hit a home run off a left-handed pitcher. Johnny Mize of the Yankees hit one off the Brooklyn Dodgers' Preacher Roe in the 1952 World Series, and Arizona's Erubiel Durazo hit one off Glavine, then with the Braves, in the 2001 NLCS.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs, you may choose to infer that Valentin's head-shaking as he was scuttling back to the dugout posthaste was actually a vital protest to the ump, that is the beauty of this country!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

But to your point, it looks like my prediction on the outcome of this series will be wrong as well.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

According to the fox strike tracker, every pitch is a ball.

Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill Buckner is throwing out the first pitch tonight, fwiw.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not really true is it?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

let's hope he doesnt drop it beforehand

▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Barry, surely one of the major reasons for the dearth of lefty/lefty pinch-hit homers in postseason play is the fact that managers sub in a righty probably 95% of the time.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And there's a very good reason for that! Ergo Chris Duncan (a rookie who batted 47 times against LHPs this year and posted a blistering 539 OPS against them) was an odd choice to pinch hit against a LHP in that situation.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

lol maine in 1st, he's going 3 tops. but reyes shows up so maybe mets have a chance

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Who else besides Oliver could the Mets use in long relief? Is Trachsel available now?

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i fear the answer to that 2nd question

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

They need to prepare regardless cause Maine's got nothing so far. Every fastball goes up there so slow and flat. Even Carpenter has his timing down on them.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Maine is looking better than he did in game 2 so far.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

has maine seriously thrown 102 pitches through 4 or is the yahoo boxscore fuxored?

gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd say he's only thrown about 40-50 so far.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

It feels like 145!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh attention Joe Buck, if Endy can bunt like that I don't really care how many RBIs he gets.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:40 (seventeen years ago) link

La Russa calls runs "points."

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Campbell made three "Maine man" puns in three innings on the radio broadcast.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link


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