2006 NLCS New York Mets vs. St. Louis Cardinals

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Sheehan on the Valentin K in 8th:

What I found highly amusing was the sequence that followed on Fox. The FoxTrax graphic, which has consistently shown the umpiring to be a disaster, popped up briefly. Before it could be activated, the game went into a commercial break. They didn’t return to it until a batter had been retired, at which time they highlighted the replay with some sponsor’s logo, and “showed” that the pitch was just on the outside corner.

Now, take this with a very large grain of salt, but I’m just distrustful enough of the powers involved here—-Fox and MLB-—to speculate as to the timing of the graphic and the information it provided. To have that tool, which had consistently shown the home-plate umpires missing pitches time and time again, show up to confirm perhaps the biggest called strike of the series, and to do so after ten minutes, after it had nearly been used in the immediate aftermath of the pitch... it just seems terribly CONVENIENT. The pitch didn’t look like a strike, Valentin didn’t think it was a strike, no one I talked to thinks it was a strike.

Regardless of whether that pitch was called correctly or not, the inability of these umpires to call a consistent, correct strike zone has been one of the biggest stories of the postseason. It’s not just big strikeout calls that change games. Take Yadier Molina’s at-bat in the fourth inning. Home-plate umpire Jeff Kellogg called a 3-1 pitch well off the plate a strike; Glavine threw essentially the same pitch on 3-2, and Molina had to swing, because even though it was not a strike, he couldn’t be certain the guy making the call was going to see it that way.

Keith Law, over at ESPN.com, has dubbed it the “Heisenberg Strike Zone,” which is a label I can’t top. Until and unless we concede that humans can’t do the job with the precision needed, however, we’re going to continue to see baseball games worth millions of dollars decided by funcationaries making a few thousand.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I sort of hope the Mets pull it off just so they can be destroyed more thoroughly by the tigers. it will be like that scene in Jackie Brown where that Arquette broad is all harassing DeNiro and he's like STOP IT STOP IT ::SHOOTS HER DEAD::

(9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't buy that Valentin analysis. You could tell as soon as the pitch went by Valentin, he didn't even hesitate or protest... his knees buckled and he walked back to the dugout.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the Valentin pitch looked like it was close enough that Valentin was crazy for not swinging at it. Whether it was actually a strike, I have no idea, but I don't buy the Fox conspiracy at all. Some of the pitches they did show looked AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL on that Strike Track thing. If they were really serious about not making MLB or the umpiring look bad well I think they might have used it more judiciously at previous times. It was just a weird commercial break thing which makes Fox look greedy and incompetent, not trying to cover anything.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Shasta, I def saw Valentin shake his head after the call (and I don't think it was at himself). are you trying to be wrong more often than Tombot?

Forgot to mention the Mets jersey I saw in thestands last Friday:

KAZMIR

Imagine the bitterness.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

FOX STRIKE TRACKER THINGY V. K-ZONE FITE

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Shasta, I def saw Valentin shake his head after the call (and I don't think it was at himself). are you trying to be wrong more often than Tombot?

Dude, Q: How many batters after striking out while looking shake their heads like Valentin did?

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

If you ask me, I'll say a lot (unless your Michael Tucker and then you just start arguing).

If you ask Morbius, he'll construe it however it best defends his stance (and/or the Mets bullpen VORP).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I bet it happens tonight, too! And not just w/Valentin either! Someone keep track.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I enjoyed listening to McCarver give his analysis of how a pitch didn't get called a strike because the catcher couldn't frame it while trying to throw out a runner. Then FOX TRACKER UMPRIE LOL PATROL showed it to be like 3 feet outside.

And then calling Chris Duncan an odd choice to pinch hit before he homered... dude is a moron. I think he doesn't know what to say because Jeter is out of the playoffs :(

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

as the pitch went by Valentin, he didn't even hesitate or protest...
-- Steve Shasta (steveshast...), October 18th, 2006.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

And then calling Chris Duncan an odd choice to pinch hit before he homered...

Elias Says

Just how rare was Chris Duncan's pinch-hit homerun? In the 1,164 postseason games played since the American League and National League champions first met in 1903, there have been only two other occasions on which a left-handed batter pinch-hit a home run off a left-handed pitcher. Johnny Mize of the Yankees hit one off the Brooklyn Dodgers' Preacher Roe in the 1952 World Series, and Arizona's Erubiel Durazo hit one off Glavine, then with the Braves, in the 2001 NLCS.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs, you may choose to infer that Valentin's head-shaking as he was scuttling back to the dugout posthaste was actually a vital protest to the ump, that is the beauty of this country!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

But to your point, it looks like my prediction on the outcome of this series will be wrong as well.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

According to the fox strike tracker, every pitch is a ball.

Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Bill Buckner is throwing out the first pitch tonight, fwiw.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not really true is it?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

let's hope he doesnt drop it beforehand

▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Barry, surely one of the major reasons for the dearth of lefty/lefty pinch-hit homers in postseason play is the fact that managers sub in a righty probably 95% of the time.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And there's a very good reason for that! Ergo Chris Duncan (a rookie who batted 47 times against LHPs this year and posted a blistering 539 OPS against them) was an odd choice to pinch hit against a LHP in that situation.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

lol maine in 1st, he's going 3 tops. but reyes shows up so maybe mets have a chance

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Who else besides Oliver could the Mets use in long relief? Is Trachsel available now?

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i fear the answer to that 2nd question

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

They need to prepare regardless cause Maine's got nothing so far. Every fastball goes up there so slow and flat. Even Carpenter has his timing down on them.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Maine is looking better than he did in game 2 so far.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

has maine seriously thrown 102 pitches through 4 or is the yahoo boxscore fuxored?

gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd say he's only thrown about 40-50 so far.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

It feels like 145!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh attention Joe Buck, if Endy can bunt like that I don't really care how many RBIs he gets.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:40 (seventeen years ago) link

La Russa calls runs "points."

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Dave Campbell made three "Maine man" puns in three innings on the radio broadcast.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 19 October 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

JESUS CHRIST ON A TENT PEG HOW LONG WAS THAT AD BREAK

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

ok maine, it waren't purdy, but nice job

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

GUTTY

mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 19 October 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Only Wagner can lose this now.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Truer words have never been spoken.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

NEVER

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

gotta love looper (gotta hate wagner)

timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

THEY KNOCKED HIS HEAD OFF

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/18/sports/19mets600.2.jpg

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 19 October 2006 02:57 (seventeen years ago) link

BILLY DON'T DO NOT-SAVES

SO DON'T DO IT TO BILLY

OR HE'LL DO YOU IN

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I was at game 3 and some kid behind me kept yelling "SOUP AND SAMMICHES" but he ended up getting thrown out of the stadium for underage drinking by a guy who was like 80 yrs old and wearing a DEA hat.

More McCarver brilliance tonight when they walked 'Yadi the body'.

Buck: That would qualify as a bad walk as it clears Carpenter for next inning.
McCarver: But a GOOD walk for the Cardinals!

Uh, no shit.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

game 7:

Suppan vs. Trachsel? Ollie Perez? Darren Oliver?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 19 October 2006 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Perez is starting. I'd wager with a very, very short leash.

bnw (bnw), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Perez, then Oliver in long middle relief.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 19 October 2006 06:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Why not start Oliver?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 October 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Because Randolph liked what he saw out of Perez apparently.

Tim McCarver (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And what was that?

Joe Buck (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

A pulse maybe? Look I was a catcher. You'll have to ask Joe Morgan to tell you what a former secondbasemen might be thinking in a situation like this.

Tim McCarver (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

La Russa calls runs "points."
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), October 18th, 2006.

Hence, figures to be ILE's favorite baseball figure.

Simple on the starter: if Perez is OK (like for 3 innings), D. Oliver gets to pitch deeper into the game. If he stinks, Oliver comes in as soon as 2 guys get on.

I do not want to see Billy Fucko in any more tie or 1-run games.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, suppose Perez loads the bases with one out in the second with the Mets already down 1-0? Do you lift him for Oliver? Why not just give the start to the guy most likely to give you 4-5 quality innings?

I don't the Mets' pitching staff was assembled with a mind to have Darren Oliver pitching in the late innings in a close Game 7. That would be a big waste of the league's best bullpen.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link


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