Two Birds, One Bat - your 2014 St. Louis Cardinals

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that's a lot of homers

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 August 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link

Willie! (No, not that one.)

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/willie-mcgee-jim-edmonds-mike-shannon-marty-marion-join-cardinals-hall-of-fame?ymd=20140816&content_id=89970158&vkey=news_mlb

That seemed strange at first--I thought his Cardinals time was relatively brief--but no, I'd forgotten he came back for a second turn. (Had even forgotten he played all through the '90s.) Here's the thing that really surprised me, though; how favorably WAR sees his '85 MVP. Put aside Gooden for a second, and the pitcher-bias in MVP voting. (Tudor, too.) McGee indeed had the highest WAR for position players that year. I'm pretty sure James ridiculed the award in that year's Abstract, arguing that it should have gone to Dale Murphy or Pedro Guerrero.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link

@BNightengale 6m
Actor Jon Hamm provides night of respite for hurting #STLCards community with National Guard summoned to Ferguson. http://usat.ly/VAUgOP

I...what? How?

Andy K, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 02:30 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I almost posted that last night. I'm gonna guess he's done after 2015, unless there's another World Series miracle. He's just too much of a dipshit

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link

or jon heyman: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24602538/best-mlb-winter-signings-white-sox-rookie-stud-abreu-orioles-cruz

The Disappointing Five
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5. Jhonny Peralta, SS, Cardinals (four years, $53M): The almost always prudent Cardinals probably knew they were paying a lot for Peralta, but they also surely expected more than a .241 batting average his first year in the deal, a 62-point falloff from 2013.

new franchise record-holder for homers by a shortstop in one season, nbd

mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:51 (nine years ago) link

he's also leading the team in fWAR (4.4), and except for Matt Carpenter it's not particularly close

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:54 (nine years ago) link

Second in OPS and WAR among MLB SS -- just what were the Cardinals thinking?

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Andy K, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:55 (nine years ago) link

oh hi, 1st place ;) spoiled cards fan checking in!

bnw, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link

goddamn witchcraft

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link

wainwright not pitching well. wacha not back. molina misses 6 weeks. no one can hit. taveras disappointing. rosenthal walking every single 9th inning lead off hitter. justin masterson throwing batting practice every 5 games. MATHENY #MATHENAGING

= 1st place obv

bnw, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link

Cards collapse joining NYY & BOS on their October couches wd be priceless

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link

apparently all the cardinals needed was for me to leave phone reception for 4 days so they could play in peace. i return to civilization and suddenly they're in 1st place.

wainwright not pitching well. wacha not back. molina misses 6 weeks. no one can hit. taveras disappointing. rosenthal walking every single 9th inning lead off hitter. justin masterson throwing batting practice every 5 games. MATHENY #MATHENAGING

daniel descalso is the backup 1B, apparently?

i was assuming that molina could play 1B on occasion to give adams a rest, but i guess i was wrong

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link

fuck waino and his three rbis

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJZ_k1rQN90

PORNOGRAPHY

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 September 2014 18:10 (nine years ago) link

14 games over .500, four-game lead, -2 run diff

mookieproof, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link

karmic payback maybe for the last few years where they significantly underperformed their pythag (at least if iirc)

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:35 (nine years ago) link

6 games under their expected record in both 2013 and 2012. last year they were expected to win 103!

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link

i think you rc? a few years tho, and last year they had the RISP thing (rip allen craig)

mookieproof, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, that's definitely true. The hitting with RISP was out of control last year

Karl Malone, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link

anyway it's fine, i'm just lashing out in bitterness

mookieproof, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:47 (nine years ago) link

Got curious to see how long Stan Musial played with the 60s Cards like Bob Gibson, Curt Flood & Tim McCarver and found this box score. This is Stan Musial's last game. It's a definite changing of the guard as you have rookie Pete Rose in the lineup for the Reds along with Hall of Famer Frank Robinson. It was a matchup of a couple of the best starting pitchers in the NL at that time with Jim Maloney going for the Reds against Gibson. Looking it up, Maloney beat Gibson in the first game the Reds played against the Cards back in April. Musial got a couple hits and was lifted, probably leaving with a hit and maybe that RBI earlier in the game. This is definitely a changing of the guard moment when you look at the players in the scoreboard, considering how many of those players dominated the rest of the 60s and early 70s.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN196309290.shtml

earlnash, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link

see also october 1964

mookieproof, Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The closest awards-vote after tonight might be runner-up in the NL Cy Young. Wainwright and Cueto are extremely close, and would both take the award most any other year.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link

I'm sad Zimmerman will get ignored, once again because of wins and era.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 03:04 (nine years ago) link

Ditto Hamels, because of wins.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 03:27 (nine years ago) link

good

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 06:07 (nine years ago) link

runnersup only counts in Miss America

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 06:07 (nine years ago) link

I brought it up because this would be Wainwright's third time finishing second, with a third-place finish on top of that. He's becoming this generation's Juan Marichal to Kershaw's Koufax. (Koufax's Cys were all unanimous, but I imagine Marichal would have finished second at least twice with an expanded ballot; he was 72-27, with an ERA around 2.25, the three years Koufax won.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 13:00 (nine years ago) link

Arrieta triple plates two!

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:19 (nine years ago) link

lol the old IBB isn't working out to well for Matheny this week

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:22 (nine years ago) link

*too

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:22 (nine years ago) link

earlier tim mccarver got really amazed at the phrase 'come into his own'. he said something like

'this guy is...well, it's an odd thing to say, i guess, but he's really coming into his own this year. that's such a weird thing to say...must be 100 years old, or older. it doesn't make any sense!! but nevertheless he has really come into his own this year...'

Karl Malone, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link

deshaies and the other dude are pretty good, you should switch imo

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link

yeah len and jim are my second fave broadcasters now, stat friendly, goofy without being too corny, nice guys, think unwritten rules are dumb, etc

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Thursday, 25 September 2014 01:41 (nine years ago) link

yikes. wacha does not have his stuff. get the bullpen going right NOW matheny

Karl Malone, Saturday, 27 September 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link

clearly alan trammell, who has already been fired, is mustering these d-bags to greater things

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link

truuumbo

johnny crunch, Sunday, 28 September 2014 02:38 (nine years ago) link

starters should be interesting

1. wainwright
2. lynn
3. miller?
4. wacha/lackey/wainwright?

bnw, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:02 (nine years ago) link

i thought we'd all agreed that shelby miller doesn't pitch in october

mookieproof, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:08 (nine years ago) link

yeah, the rotation is a mess. wainwright and lynn, pray for rain...in'

Karl Malone, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link

i thought miller was doing much better in the second half, but really he just had a good September . still, i think he has to be part of the mix.

between lackey and wacha at #4, i'd rather see wacha combined with a very short leash, larussa 2011 style.

lackey will probably get the nod for #4 though, or even #3 because of his veteran grittiness.

Karl Malone, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link

matt carpenter is the cardinals' finalist for the hank aaron award, recognizing the most outstanding offensive performer

which doesn't seem quite right

mookieproof, Monday, 29 September 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link

Must be a positional thing, or Holliday needs a new agent

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link

time to get fired up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9bfBJG_OCE

bnw, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 12:35 (nine years ago) link

lackey 3, miller 4, wacha in pen

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link

Lackey for the first home game (most likely a must win after Kershaw and greinke, although I guess every game is a must win in a 5-game series) seems like a mistake.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link

Yeah that part is odd/wrong. If you need to fire Waino again in 4, rather have him replace Lackey. Wacha in pen is right call. Bullpen needs it. Neshek looks burnt lately.

bnw, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link

intersting: http://www.hardballtimes.com/staggered-rotations-and-postseason-win-probabilities

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:04 (nine years ago) link


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