Trust no old honky imo
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link
he's going to have a MAGA hat on his plaque
― omar little, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
With 180 ballots revealed/~43.7% of the vote known:Rivera - 100%Halladay - 93.9%Edgar - 90.6%Mussina - 81.7%---Schilling - 74.4%Clemens - 73.3%Bonds - 72.8%Walker - 66.7%Vizquel - 36.7%McGriff - 36.1%Manny - 26.7%Rolen - 20.6%Helton - 19.4%https://t.co/8ISx82oWgM— Ryan Thibodaux (@NotMrTibbs) January 16, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 15:01 (five years ago) link
that's wild
if Clemens and Bonds were somehow elected, it's be popcorn time w/ all the reactive sanctimony
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 15:18 (five years ago) link
Ben Lindbergh:
If Martínez and Mussina qualify for induction along with Rivera and Halladay, the Hall will have a four-player class of BBWAA selections for only the fifth time, and the third time since 1955. It hasn’t been long since the last one: Chipper Jones, Vladimir Guerrero, Jim Thome, and Trevor Hoffman went in together just last year, following the 2015 Randy Johnson–Pedro Martínez–John Smoltz–Craig Biggio class. Back-to-back four-player classes would be unprecedented, but the writers’ recent willingness to put plaques on the wall is a much-needed response to a backlog of well-qualified candidates.
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/1/11/18177706/hall-of-fame-voting-larry-walker-edgar-martinez-mike-mussina
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
With a day to go, basically half the ballots are known:
http://www.bbhoftracker.com/2018/12/2019-bbhof-tracker-summary-and-leaderboard/
Schilling, Clemens, and Bonds have all edged downward--looks like very little chance this time. Mussina's at 81%, which probably means close--I think he'll eke in. Walker next time for sure.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 January 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link
Will Leitch
https://www.mlb.com/news/each-mlb-teams-most-likely-next-hall-of-famer/c-302930638
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:15 (five years ago) link
dan shaughnessy voted for rivera and no one else
― mookieproof, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
We were talking about another guy like that earlier (who was submitting a blank ballot, I think). I honestly think that anyone who submits a ballot with one or no names on it in order to make some symbolic point should be taken off the list. I'm not talking about a full or near-full ballot that leaves off PED names--that's a personal decision, still defensible I believe (though admittedly cloudier and cloudier after Selig and others go in...and I'm not really looking to argue about the others for the nine millionth time), and there are lots of deserving non-PED names if you choose to go that route. But if not you're not voting for anyone (or for only one), why are you voting?
― clemenza, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
"But if you're not voting..."
― clemenza, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link
Martinez is over the hump at this point, seemingly; he missed election last year by 20 votes, he's picked up a net of 25 votes from returning voters this year. Walker has picked up 46.
Bonds and Clemens have still only picked up three votes each. I think they'll finish in the high 50s again.
I think Mussina is going to miss out by a couple percentage points, maybe...
― omar little, Monday, 21 January 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
Jamie Malanowski is mookieproof.
http://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/opinion/baseball-hall-of-fame-bill-james.html
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 04:07 (five years ago) link
i was a much better little league player
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 04:10 (five years ago) link
Just looked at the list of writers who are in there (kind of, sort of):
http://baseballhall.org/discover-more/awards/884
Jayson Stark? Jesus--going by the book of his I read, I'm quite certain Harold Baines is a better writer.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 04:21 (five years ago) link
james should totally be in, of course. but probably not before marvin miller
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 04:41 (five years ago) link
Made the same comparison on Facebook, in that they were both apostates...although, I added, the owners always hated Miller because they thought he cost them money (he didn't, on balance, I don't think), whereas James led to hiring people who theoretically help them spend their money smarter. So they'd have no reason to freeze him out.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 05:07 (five years ago) link
Walker's jump is almost too good to be true. This is the same player who dropped from 20% to 10% in his first four years on the ballot. Those were crowded ballots, and now the writers are starting to catch up with the backlog of great players, but it's still an amazing story.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 08:10 (five years ago) link
mussina's gonna miss by one vote, isn't he
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:57 (five years ago) link
when do they announce?
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:59 (five years ago) link
right now
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:00 (five years ago) link
they should make dan shaughnessy announce it
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (five years ago) link
I'm watching MLB's introductory film, and it looks like Mussina made it.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
Mussina!!!
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:19 (five years ago) link
He did get in.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:19 (five years ago) link
Mariano got 100%
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:21 (five years ago) link
Whoa--100%! Thank god that's over with.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:22 (five years ago) link
Walker (54%) and Vizquel (42%) really moved towards each other--not good.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
So Bonds and Clemens didn't crack 60%, Placido Polanco got a vote!!!
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:24 (five years ago) link
it looks like Walker made up approximately half of the additional vote total he'd need to get in next year. He missed by 173 in 2018, missed by approx 87 or 88 this year. Plus I think the cleared-up ballot helps him out considerably. Lots of writers suggested they'd vote for him if they had more room, others are "willing to listen".
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:29 (five years ago) link
sorry, TWO votes for Polanco.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link
Walker ended up farther back than I thought he'd be...I was expecting at least 60-65%. But the light ballot and last-year push should be enough next year (more writers will be advocating for him all year like Posnanski's been doing). What did Helton get? I missed that.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
Mariano Rivera 425 (100%) 1Roy Halladay 363 (85.4%) 1Edgar Martinez 363 (85.4%) 10Mike Mussina 326 (76.7%) 6Curt Schilling 259 (60.9%) 6Roger Clemens 253 (59.5%) 7Barry Bonds 251 (59.1%) 7Larry Walker 232 (54.6%) 9Omar Vizquel 182 (42.8%) 2Fred McGriff 169 (39.8%) 10Manny Ramirez 97 (22.8%) 3Jeff Kent 77 (18.1%) 6Billy Wagner 71 (16.7%) 4Todd Helton 70 (16.5%) 1Scott Rolen 73 (17.2%) 2Gary Sheffield 58 (13.6%) 5Andy Pettitte 42 (9.9%) 1Sammy Sosa 36 (8.5%) 7Andruw Jones 32 (7.5%) 2Michael Young 9 (2.1%) 1Lance Berkman 5 (1.2%) 1Miguel Tejada 5 (1.2%) 1Roy Oswalt 4 (0.9%) 1Placido Polanco 2 (0.5%) 1
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:39 (five years ago) link
(vote total, percentage, year on ballot)
Walker went from 34.1% to 54.6%. The same next year would of course put him at 75.1%.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:40 (five years ago) link
That is a long uphill climb for Helton, but he starts with James and Posnanski as advocates.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:41 (five years ago) link
Bonds' percentage has gone up in five straight years. McGriff got a nice bump to nearly 40 percent that probably bodes well for his chances on getting elected via the Baines route.
Jeter's unanimous election is a virtual lock now. He might even get 110% of the votes, because he was just that special as a player.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:42 (five years ago) link
historically, there's always a very big push in the year before players are elected, but the final push is several points more. That was the case for Mussina and Edgar.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:43 (five years ago) link
Bonds went up 2.7% vs Clemens' 2.2%. That's like a yearly L.A. rent control increase.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
Posnanski says that McGriff is a lock the minute he shows up on whatever VC ballot he fits. At which point the Delgado situation reemerges--it never ends!
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:47 (five years ago) link
Andruw Jones went up 0.2% over last season. Manny 0.8%.
― omar little, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:52 (five years ago) link
who the hell voted for placido polanco
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
I'd bet probably a beat writer from Philly or Detroit.
Polanco played a long time and was a solid middle infielder. The guy added up 10 more WAR runs than Ray Durham or Brandon Phillips in just about the same amount of games. I was mildly surprised Polanco's career batting average was .297.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 00:01 (five years ago) link
Polanco is possibly a more arguable vote than Michael Young. That dude had six (emptier than you think) 200-hit seasons, was basically a Steve Garvey type with a far lower WAR, all minus the essential key party vibe.
― omar little, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 02:03 (five years ago) link
i don't really mean to poop on placido; he was a good player
not to mention that he matched harold baines in fWAR and beat him in bWAR. but if you have a sub-100 career OPS+/wRC+ you better have been a legendary fielder like ozzie
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 02:20 (five years ago) link
Stoked for Mussina, that's great
― timellison, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 03:51 (five years ago) link
if Twitter had always been around, lotsa players woulda got 100%
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 05:55 (five years ago) link
The threat of being shamed on social media helps in getting voters to toe the line, yeah. But I think there's more to it, in the past, a voter could claim that he never really got to watch players in the other league, giving him a somehat plausible reason for not voting for a clear HOFer. Now there's no excuse for anyone not to be fully informed. We've almost worked through the candidacies of the so-called steroid era stars, so there won't be any more "excuses" to leave someone off.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 06:18 (five years ago) link
such a lot of fuss over a guy who threw one inning a night
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:19 (five years ago) link
I thought the longtime no-unanimous-selections was primarily grounded in sportswriters who objected to the early guys--Ruth and Cobb especially--not being voted in unanimously, and if they weren't, they'd make sure that no one would be. I'm not sure what the window on that factor was...from the '40s right through to the '70s? Mixed in with pockets of racism when it came to a Mays or an Aaron.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:41 (five years ago) link
even w/ white guys like Seaver or Mantle, they were just being dicks.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:42 (five years ago) link