that pomo thesis generators writes some pretty incoherent terrible theses
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
makes you think, huh
― James Bond Jor (seandalai), Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
makes me think that the ppl who designed it don't understand most of the words they plugged into the random generation machine
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago) link
i mean
its a random generator because its arranges them randomly
sometimes that will mean they make no sense
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
it's not real, mordy
what do u mean it's not real?
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but you seem miffed that the jokey "random thesis generator" is producing theses that make no sense?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
like, of course it wouldn't betray any understanding of the meaning of the words being used, it's intended to be random--the joke of the whole thing of course is that the terms themselves are so meaningless as to be interchangable, and yeah that's a pretty dumb and rong joke to make, but i don't think the problem with the random thesis generator is "they obviously don't know what these words mean," it's "they think these words don't mean anything."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
it seemed like it was mentioned here as an example of emergent AI intelligence? but also, u must've missed the sokal reference at the bottom of the essays - it's obviously trying to make the point that its pomo essays are just as good as whatever random shit academia produces. i was just pointing out that the essays are neither emergent intelligence, or quality pomo pieces. they're just gibberish?
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:52 (twelve years ago) link
but i don't think the problem with the random thesis generator is "they obviously don't know what these words mean," it's "they think these words don't mean anything."
idk synonymous to me
oh i didn't see that they were posted as evidence of emergent AI, my b
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
i think we pretty much agree tho?
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
u rite
No, I was saying that I hate it when people say that, that there's nothing new under the sun. It's untrue and annoying. My dissent may be unremarkable, but it's still dissent. Hanle y more or less said it, and I disagree.
― bamcquern, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago) link
otm i'm just picking fights lately, i think its cause i'm jobless and have no more cops to fight with
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
The 'nothing new under the sun' applies more to people themselves and how they act than to consumer products or scientific advances. A drunken lout with a cell phone is a close replica of a drunken lout wearing a toga.
― Aimless, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
xp :-)
― bamcquern, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:32 (twelve years ago) link
imho "there's nothing new under the sun" refers to solomon's melancholia and despondence while writing ecclesiastes
― Mordy, Saturday, 24 March 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Having lived for 57+ years, I can vouch for a growing sense of iterative recurrence in the people, places, emotions, experiences of my life, including the prospective experience of my growing older. There is little I can look forward to that will arrive with an unique sense of novelty, as measured above the level of somewhat trivial details. Yes, when I die there may be a small amount of surprise that it is happeneing to me, but that would soon pass.
― Aimless, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
Enjoyed what I've read of this thread so far, especially that big post by bamcquern.
― Radio Boradman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 March 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
Also, time for a new display name
― Singularities Going Steady (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
when I die there may be a small amount of surprise that it is happeneing to me, but that would soon pass.
― Aimless, Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what a wonderfully droll sentiment
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 March 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry, but those are two posts very much in character.
― Singularities Going Steady (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
Just today I thought "japanese bagel factories with amourous potion" and then I say it on Phildonahue.com!!! THE SIGUNALRITY IS REAL!
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Monday, 26 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
"No, I was saying that I hate it when people say that, that there's nothing new under the sun. It's untrue and annoying. My dissent may be unremarkable, but it's still dissent. Hanle y more or less said it, and I disagree."
I have no proof of this but my own musings - if I have mis-mused you I apologize.
I agree it is more interesting to perfect an invention than to have the idea. ie the iPod vs. diamond rio
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
I have named it - it is - The Googularity
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
thakig u
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
It came to me in a dream of Wozniak as Cheshire cat
― The Cheerfull Turtle (Latham Green), Thursday, 29 March 2012 13:13 (twelve years ago) link
"Pretending otherwise is like making Super Mario the best man at your wedding. No matter how much time you spend with dear old Super Mario, he is going to disappoint in that role you chose for him. You need to let Super Mario be super in the ways that Mario is actually more-or-less super. Those are plentiful. And getting more so. These are the parts that require attention, while the AI mythos must be let go. "
― sarahell, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 08:52 (twelve years ago) link
One drawback of making Super Mario the best man at your wedding is that he will stomp on all of your friends and kill them, then run out of the building with all of your money
― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
these ppl are so crazy, but that's why i love them. anyway, why sexiness will help us overclock brain speeds, or, you know, something. ems:http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/
― Mordy, Monday, 16 April 2012 03:24 (twelve years ago) link
On top of the possibility that there is a God, it also seems quite imaginable to me that we are living in a simulation of some kind perhaps as a research project of a singularity that occurred in a parent universe. There is another possible motivation for running such simulations. I am told that if you accept certain decision theories, it would appear worthwhile for future creatures to run simulations of the past, and reward or punish the participants based on whether they acted in ways that were beneficial or harmful to beings expected to live in the future. On realising this, we would then be uncertain whether we were in such a simulation or not, and so would have an extra motivation to work to improve the future. However, given finite resources in their universe, these simulators would presumably not be able to dole out infinite utilities, and so would be dominated, in terms of expected utility, by any ‘supernatural’ creator that could.Extending this point, Amanda notes the domination of ‘higher cardinality’ infinities over lower cardinalities. The slightest probability of an infinity-aleph-two utility would always trump a certain infinity-aleph-one. I am not sure what to do about that. The issue has hardly been researched by philosophers and seems like a promising area for high impact philosophy. I would appreciate anyone who can resolve these weird results so I can return to worrying about ordinary things!
Extending this point, Amanda notes the domination of ‘higher cardinality’ infinities over lower cardinalities. The slightest probability of an infinity-aleph-two utility would always trump a certain infinity-aleph-one. I am not sure what to do about that. The issue has hardly been researched by philosophers and seems like a promising area for high impact philosophy. I would appreciate anyone who can resolve these weird results so I can return to worrying about ordinary things!
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2012/07/life-after-death-for-pascals-wager.html
― Mordy, Thursday, 19 July 2012 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
haha I actually made a self-note to msg you that post when I saw it
― iatee, Thursday, 19 July 2012 03:24 (eleven years ago) link
world financial markets will end in 2050:http://www.er.ethz.ch/publications/complex_systems/ENDofGROWTHeraESSAY3.pdf
― Mordy, Monday, 3 December 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
any engularity bros want to go to this and report back?http://www.meetup.com/London-Futurists/events/92158132/
― Mordy, Monday, 10 December 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
Jaan Tallinn is one of the programmers behind the Kazaa file sharing
The singularity will be full of malware.
― give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Monday, 10 December 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
i bought that roger penrose book (on 15 jun 2008, thanks amazon) and as of yet i have yet to open it
― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:13 (9 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ayup
― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, 10 December 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2012/12/simulated_universe_testing_the_laws_of_physics_to_determine_whether_we_re.html
― Mordy, Saturday, 22 December 2012 15:19 (eleven years ago) link
lolz @ google
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 23 December 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
so awesome
― Mordy, Sunday, 23 December 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
only superficially related to singularity but reading this made me happy this morning:http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html
― Mordy, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
do you ever get this feeling that the singularity may actuall be a horrible doomsday scenario like in Disney's The Balck Hole
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 10 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
tbh the first thing i think of when i think of the singularity is Skynet
― Z S, Thursday, 10 January 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
i was reading this just recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility
it a pretty fascinating phenomenon imo. more than the prosaic explanations i wonder about the dynamics of populations or species, the possibility or maybe fantasy that effects like this could be some kind of self-regulation.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 10 January 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ7aDyJPn3c
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 10 January 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
would there be such things in a post singualirty world?> i think not
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 10 January 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_the_atomic_scientists_for_2013.html
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
What Mordy seems to be saying is that it's really a race between the arrival of utopia (via the supra-magical powers of the singularity) and the arrival of doomsday (via the agency of various apocalyptic horsemen spawned in the last century).
Advanced physics and applied mathematics! You can't live with them and you can't live without them! /hennyyoungman
― Aimless, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
rolling utopias and dystopias 2013
― Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
is grey goo part of the singularity? people have patiently tried to explain "singularity" to me and it's always like james brown trying to explain "funky" and they end up gesticulating and shouting "get down" "unngh!"
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
that's what i always assumed tbh but i am reading more and more stuff that is like, "oh yeah, automation is the new reality." or, in the academia thread, "these object oriented ontologists are just anticipating the day when there isn't a firm distinction between humans and objects, i.e. machines" (paraphrasing)
― Treeship, Thursday, 2 June 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link
this is great
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055624.full.pdf
if the brain literally was just a computer, we still wouldn't come close to having the tools to understand it
― germane geir hongro (s.clover), Saturday, 4 June 2016 02:06 (eight years ago) link
clever
― de l'asshole (flopson), Saturday, 4 June 2016 05:22 (eight years ago) link
the singularity is here
https://www.cnet.com/news/its-happening-googles-ai-is-building-more-ais/
― Violet Jynx, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
bring it
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
Nah. The only 'live' project mentioned in that article was "making Google Search more responsive to users' needs". All the rest was speculation about Some Day It Will Be So.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
a search engine that can input its own search queries
"kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds) "kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds) "kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds) "kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds)
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
Siri, ask Alexa what the time is...
― koogs, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
I hear the software just produced one of these https://i.redd.it/89clk3nfj2yy.gif
― Rimsky-Koskenkorva (Øystein), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link