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Sounds great - is it the whole lot?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 17 July 2014 09:49 (nine years ago) link

yes, 366

j., Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link

monolingual edition tho

j., Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link

That's fine. See if I can order that. tx.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 July 2014 09:47 (nine years ago) link

I don't know if I should post here or in the book suggestions thread, but are there any recent books of poetry you all would recommend to someone who mostly likes Anne Carson, Alice Notley, Eileen Myles, Jackie Wang, Fanny Howe, and CAConrad (whose A Beautiful Marsupial Afternoon: New (Soma)tics I'm reading at the moment) among currently-working English-language poets?

one way street, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link

Err, that should be Susan Howe, but I'm fine with her sister's work as well.

one way street, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link

on a 'what i'm reading' note--

after the deluge of verbiage in auden, louise gluck is really pretty, spare and refreshing.

complete donald justice, selected gerard manley hopkins & selected wc williams on the way.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link

tracy smith's 'life on mars' was pretty astonishing and humbling, 'here, bullet' was pretty uninteresting.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link

Thanks, HOOS (willfully interpreting your 'what I'm reading' as a recommendation, direct or indirect)--will check out Life on Mars.

one way street, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link

it's terrific, subtle, rhythmic, truly emotive, hits all my buttons

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 31 July 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link

yeah Life on Mars is excellent... need to dig out my copy for a reread; I remember being impressed at first by the craft (the one that begins "They're gassing geese at is a tightly-wound shock-absorber of a poem) and then gradually following her into the more diffuse cosmic-emotional-Bowian climaxes over a couple of weeks.

anyone read her previous volume, Duende?

i haven't yet--though i did watch this awesome reading/talk she did with patrick rosal, whose book i'm now grabbing, that has some of duende in it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35xjnHyhqw

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2014 04:28 (nine years ago) link

Reading quite a bit by Verlaine, Milosz, Salvatore Quasimodo.

Chretien's Cliges has love as suffering so otm. Something you read as symbolic, i.e. Cupid's arrow becomes powerful by thorough description moving toward argument. Burton Raffel's translation might be the only one worth a pop.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 4 August 2014 09:16 (nine years ago) link

Been getting into John Clare, specifically his sonnets, which are pleasantly irregular—there's no division into stanzas, the poems rarely execute a "turn", & he has a tendency to carry a rhyme a line or two farther than you expect (a fair number of them begin ABAB BCDC; see also the poem I've posted below, whose octave runs ABAB ACBC). It gives me the sense of a poet who enjoys rhyming for its own sake, who's read enough sonnets to internalize the form, but doesn't feel bound to adhere to it if an alternative presents itself.

Anyway, I've rambled long enough, so... I post this not only as a representative sample, but also because I'm having some trouble parsing the last few lines. Anyone wanna take a shot?

Burthorp Oak

Old noted oak! I saw thee in a mood
Of vague indifference, and yet with me
Thy memory, like thy fate, hath lingering stood
For years, thou hermit in the lonely sea
Of grass that waves around thee! Solitude
Paints not a lonelier picture to the view,
Burthorp! Than thy one melancholy tree,
Age-rent, and shattered to a stump. Yet new
Leaves come upon each rift and broken limb
With every spring, and Poesy's visions swim
Around it of old days and chivalry,
And desolate fancies bid the eyes grow dim
With feelings, that earth's grandeur should decay
And all its olden memories pass away.

Actually, everything from "Poesy's visions swim/Around it" is where I lose the thread (around what??) & even before that, it's not clear whether he's describing the actual sight of new leaves returning to the Burthorp oak or, more likely, using a poetic commonplace to modify his mental picture of the oak...

I'm reading it as the a contemplation of the tree's age calling forth imaginings of the past, which inspires a kind of mourning that things pass away, even as new life comes forth every spring.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link

i sure hope i've not just restated you

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link

fully immersed in gerard manley hopkins this week

Thou art indeed just, Lord, if I contend
With thee; but, sir, so what I plead is just.
Why do sinners' ways prosper? and why must
Disappointment all I endeavor end?
Wert thou my enemy, O thou my friend,
How wouldst thou worst, I wonder, than thou dost
Defeat, thwart me? Oh, the sots and thralls of lust
Do in spare hours more thrive than I that spend,
Sir, life upon thy cause. See, banks and brakes
Now, leaved how thick! Laced they are again.
With fretty chervil, look, and fresh wind shakes
Them; Birds build--but not I build, no, but strain,
Time's eunuch, and not breed one work that wakes.
Mine, O thou lord of life, send my roots rain.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link

man

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 8 August 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link

xp to Hoos: nah man that was helpful. I think you've pretty much got it; there's just a few infelicitous word choices that leave me scratching my head ("desolate fancies", for example, almost certainly means "mental representations of desolation", but overexposure to Coleridge of late has me imagining a poet whose power of 'fancy' has dried up, leaving him unable to reverse the decay of earth's grandeur—& the invocation of a poetic golden age a few lines earlier would seem to justify this reading...)

I don't even make sense right now because of my shoulder (bernard snowy), Friday, 8 August 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link

Is the tree still standing in that poem? The part about "shattered to a stump" makes me think not. That might explain the "desolate fancies".

o. nate, Saturday, 9 August 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link

you guys know Gertrude Schnackenberg? I'm reading her.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 August 2014 01:54 (nine years ago) link

Oh wait, I think it's still standing (hence "Leaves come upon each rift and broken limb / With every spring"), but the image of the tree "shattered to a stump" is "not lonelier" than the actual view of it standing in solitude. Perhaps these thoughts are examples of the "desolate fancies" mentioned later.

xp

o. nate, Saturday, 9 August 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link

rereading walcott. so good.

depressingly googled around and saw that zillions of new-agers have embraced "love after love" as some anthem to narcissism. i sorta wish he'd never written it, if he's going to be remembered for that instead of lines like

"and all you best dread the day i am healed / of being a human. All you fate in my hand, / ministers, businessmen, Shabine have you friend, I shall scatter your lives like a handful of sand, / I who have no weapon but poetry and / the lance of palms and the sea's shining shield!"

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Saturday, 9 August 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link

i could live a lifetime with the schooner flight

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Saturday, 9 August 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link

haven't seen an exclamation mark in a poem in forever maybe i read too much modern poetry

schlump, Saturday, 9 August 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link

reminds me of Elizabeth Bishop's "One Art."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 August 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link

Xp
o. nate, it hadn't even occurred to me that in reacting to "shattered to a stump," he was describing a potential, rather than actual, modification of the tree—I pictured some deep rift left by a lightning-strike—but now that you say that I think I've got the whole picture!

I don't even make sense right now because of my shoulder (bernard snowy), Sunday, 10 August 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link

This might help with the mental picture:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowthorpe_Oak

woof, Sunday, 10 August 2014 12:22 (nine years ago) link

oh, thanks! but this sentence (from one of the links in the article) is even more unclear than the poem:

There is sufficient space within the hollow trunk to hold a party and one former tenant of the farm had a roof and a door installed and used the recess as an additional room in which 39 people have stood at one time and 13 have sat down comfortably to tea while successive generations of children born and raised on the farm have played in its branches.

I don't even make sense right now because of my shoulder (bernard snowy), Sunday, 10 August 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link

what is the referent of "it" in "poesy's visions swim around it "

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 10 August 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link

Burthorp!

dow, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link

I think it has to be "tree" but I wanted to advance a claim for " poesy "

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link

It's a just claim. Poesy's visions do swim around poesy, in a meltiness, a soft decline stirred by the poet, who goes from "vague indifference," to identifying with the tree's decline and vulnerability--pathos as reproach for vague indifference, which seems a lesser state---but from all this decay and grey he makes something new, a poem.

dow, Sunday, 10 August 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link

But I prefer several poems on this thread.

dow, Sunday, 10 August 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link

I don't like it much at all tbh.

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 11 August 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link

296

Your thin shoulders are for turning red under whips,
turning red under whips, and flaming in the raw cold.

Your child's fingers are for lifting flatirons,
for lifting flatirons, and for knotting cords.

Your tender soles are for walking on broken glass,
walking on broken glass, across bloody sand.

And I'm for burning like a black candle lit for you,
for burning like a black candle that dare not pray.

(1934)

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 11 August 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link

I'll post a better Clare poem when I get home tonight; I mostly put that one up cuz it happened to be irritating me at the time...

ODB's missing grammy (bernard snowy), Monday, 11 August 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link

K, here's one that better shows off his fine descriptive powers (albeit with a rather tacked-on conclusion) :

AN IDLE HOUR.

SAUNTERING at ease, I often love to lean
O’er old bridge walls, and mark the flood below,
Whose ripples, through the weeds of oily green,
Like happy travelers chatter as they go;
And view the sunshine dancing on the arch,
Time keeping to the merry waves beneath.
While on the banks some drooping blossoms parch,
Thirsting for water in the day’s hot breath,
Right glad of mud-drops splashed upon their leaves,
By cattle plunging from the steepy brink; 10
Each water-flower more than its share receives,
And revels to its very cups in drink:—
So in the world, some strive, and fare but ill,
While others riot, and have plenty still.

ODB's missing grammy (bernard snowy), Monday, 11 August 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link

Charles Wright's Negative Blue just arrived, collecting Chickamauga, Black Zodiac, and Appalachia.

I was excited for it because I remembered loving Chickamauga when I first read it a few years ago, but it's leaving me pretty cold now. Seems ponderous and samey.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 August 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link

Rereading "The Fortunate Traveler" disappointed me. Chunks of the poem are didactic or crumble into mere rhetoric. But

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 August 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link

Wright's recent books (Sestets, Littlefoot) are my favorites of his. Less jive, clearer thoughts.

the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Saturday, 16 August 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link

i think i used to find his extended riffs on the view from his backyard enchanting for their sense of possibility but now its like "oh we're getting another two page lawn chair meditation great"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 16 August 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link

picked up stephen burt's "close calls with nonsense"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 21:27 (nine years ago) link

OK, so I signed up to Scribd's online library on a whim, it it has shitloads of interesting-looking poetry and plays for the borrowing. Kind of hard to know where to start.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 21 August 2014 05:01 (nine years ago) link

picked up a signed (!) 77 Dream Songs in an oakland shop over the weekend

the only downside of reading berryman over again is that his sublime weird syntax gets deep into my brain and i wind up badly imitating him in my own writing for weeks. just

Let us suppose, valleys & such ago,
one pal unwinding from his labours in
one bar of Chicago,
and this did actual happen. This was so.
And many graces are slipped, & many a sin
even that laid man low

but this will be remembered & told over,
that she was heard at last, haughtful & greasy,
to bawl in that low bar:
'You can biff me, you can bang me, get it you'll never.
I may be only a Polack broad but I don't lay easy.
Kiss my ass, that's what you are.'

Women is better, braver. In a foehn of loss
entire, which too they hotter understand,
having had it,
we struggle. Some hang heavy on the sauce,
some invest in the past, one hides in the land.
Henry was not his favourite.

fucking exquisitely stumbling to my ears.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Going through View with a Grain of Sand by Szymborska.

Maybe I should post this gem on the OK cupid thread instead of here:

True Love

True love. Is it normal
is it serious, is it practical?
What does the world get from two people
who exist in a world of their own?

Placed on the same pedestal for no good reason,
drawn randomly from millions but convinced
it had to happen this way - in reward for what?
For nothing.
The light descends from nowhere.
Why on these two and not on others?
Doesn't this outrage justice? Yes it does.
Doesn't it disrupt our painstakingly erected principles,
and cast the moral from the peak? Yes on both accounts.

Look at the happy couple.
Couldn't they at least try to hide it,
fake a little depression for their friends' sake?
Listen to them laughing - its an insult.
The language they use - deceptively clear.
And their little celebrations, rituals,
the elaborate mutual routines -
it's obviously a plot behind the human race's back!

It's hard even to guess how far things might go
if people start to follow their example.
What could religion and poetry count on?
What would be remembered? What renounced?
Who'd want to stay within bounds?

True love. Is it really necessary?
Tact and common sense tell us to pass over it in silence,
like a scandal in Life's highest circles.
Perfectly good children are born without its help.
It couldn't populate the planet in a million years,
it comes along so rarely.

Let the people who never find true love
keep saying that there's no such thing.

Their faith will make it easier for them to live and die.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link

The moved onto Lorca - A Poet in New York.

Ode to Walt Whitman

By the East River and the Bronx
boys were singing, exposing their waists
with the wheel, with oil, leather, and the hammer.
Ninety thousand miners taking silver from the rocks
and children drawing stairs and perspectives.

But none of them could sleep,
none of them wanted to be the river,
none of them loved the huge leaves
or the shoreline's blue tongue.

By the East River and the Queensboro
boys were battling with industry
and the Jews sold to the river faun
the rose of circumcision,
and over bridges and rooftops, the mouth of the sky emptied
herds of bison driven by the wind.

But none of them paused,
none of them wanted to be a cloud,
none of them looked for ferns
or the yellow wheel of a tambourine.

As soon as the moon rises
the pulleys will spin to alter the sky;
a border of needles will besiege memory
and the coffins will bear away those who don't work.

New York, mire,
New York, mire and death.
What angel is hidden in your cheek?
Whose perfect voice will sing the truths of wheat?
Who, the terrible dream of your stained anemones?

Not for a moment, Walt Whitman, lovely old man,
have I failed to see your beard full of butterflies,
nor your corduroy shoulders frayed by the moon,
nor your thighs pure as Apollo's,
nor your voice like a column of ash,
old man, beautiful as the mist,
you moaned like a bird
with its sex pierced by a needle.
Enemy of the satyr,
enemy of the vine,
and lover of bodies beneath rough cloth...

Not for a moment, virile beauty,
who among mountains of coal, billboards, and railroads,
dreamed of becoming a river and sleeping like a river
with that comrade who would place in your breast
the small ache of an ignorant leopard.

Not for a moment, Adam of blood, Macho,
man alone at sea, Walt Whitman, lovely old man,
because on penthouse roofs,
gathered at bars,
emerging in bunches from the sewers,
trembling between the legs of chauffeurs,
or spinning on dance floors wet with absinthe,
the faggots, Walt Whitman, point you out.

He's one, too! That's right! And they land
on your luminous chaste beard,
blonds from the north, blacks from the sands,
crowds of howls and gestures,
like cats or like snakes,
the faggots, Walt Whitman, the faggots,
clouded with tears, flesh for the whip,
the boot, or the teeth of the lion tamers.

He's one, too! That's right! Stained fingers
point to the shore of your dream
when a friend eats your apple
with a slight taste of gasoline
and the sun sings in the navels
of boys who play under bridges.

But you didn't look for scratched eyes,
nor the darkest swamp where someone submerges children,
nor frozen saliva,
nor the curves slit open like a toad's belly
that the faggots wear in cars and on terraces
while the moon lashes them on the street corners of terror.

You looked for a naked body like a river.
Bull and dream who would join wheel with seaweed,
father of your agony, camellia of your death,
who would groan in the blaze of your hidden equator.

Because it's all right if a man doesn't look for his delight
in tomorrow morning's jungle of blood.
The sky has shores where life is avoided
and there are bodies that shouldn't repeat themselves in the dawn.

Agony, agony, dream, ferment, and dream.
This is the world, my friend, agony, agony.
Bodies decompose beneath the city clocks,
war passes by in tears, followed by a million gray rats,
the rich give their mistresses
small illuminated dying things,
and life is neither noble, nor good, nor sacred.

Man is able, if he wishes, to guide his desire
through a vein of coral or a heavenly naked body.
Tomorrow, loves will become stones, and Time
a breeze that drowses in the branches.

That's why I don't raise my voice, old Walt Whitman,
against the little boy who writes
the name of a girl on his pillow,
nor against the boy who dresses as a bride
in the darkness of the wardrobe,
nor against the solitary men in casinos
who drink prostitution's water with revulsion,
nor against the men with that green look in their eyes
who love other men and burn their lips in silence.

But yes against you, urban faggots,
tumescent flesh and unclean thoughts.
Mothers of mud. Harpies. Sleepless enemies
of the love that bestows crowns of joy.

Always against you, who give boys
drops of foul death with bitter poison.
Always against you,
Fairies of North America,
Pájaros of Havana,
Jotos of Mexico,
Sarasas of Cádiz,
Apios of Seville,
Cancos of Madrid,
Floras of Alicante,
Adelaidas of Portugal.

Faggots of the world, murderers of doves!
Slaves of women. Their bedroom bitches.
Opening in public squares like feverish fans
or ambushed in rigid hemlock landscapes.

No quarter given! Death
spills from your eyes
and gathers gray flowers at the mire's edge.
No quarter given! Attention!
Let the confused, the pure,
the classical, the celebrated, the supplicants
close the doors of the bacchanal to you.

And you, lovely Walt Whitman, stay asleep on the Hudson's banks
with your beard toward the pole, openhanded.
Soft clay or snow, your tongue calls for
comrades to keep watch over your unbodied gazelle.

Sleep on, nothing remains.
Dancing walls stir the prairies
and America drowns itself in machinery and lament.
I want the powerful air from the deepest night
to blow away flowers and inscriptions from the arch where you sleep,
and a black child to inform the gold-craving whites
that the kingdom of grain has arrived.

And then, yes, logocally following that with a selection of Whitman's poems.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 August 2014 09:51 (nine years ago) link

I still have trouble with Lorca... the Gypsy Ballads are nice, & the late sonnets, but I always feel like I'm missing something when I read his more laconic lyrics. I suspect that some of them contain as little meaning as the cradle songs he once lectured about (I've long been haunted by a couplet from 'Poem of the Deep Song', Campanas de Córdoba en la madrugada / Campanas de amanecer in Grenada, which seems exemplary in this respect).

ODB's missing grammy (bernard snowy), Friday, 29 August 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link

*en Grenada, durr

ODB's missing grammy (bernard snowy), Friday, 29 August 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link


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