Memoirs and Autobiographies: S & D

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Currently reading 'Wild Swans' by Jung Chang. Less interested in the family stuff than all the great material about Chairman Mao and the Cultural Revolution.

Destroy: Dave Peltzer (sorry!)

Charles Dexter (Holey), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

Shit, did Wodehouse ever write an autobio? I'd read that.

Destroy: any memoir written by anyone who's done a job you've had, especially if they're the depressive type. The bad memories come flooding back and you want to jump off a bridge. I'm staying as far from that hep kitchen memoir everyone recommends to me as I can, thanks...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

Morley's 'Nothing's should be mentioned here, I think.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 8 March 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

There is an extraneous 's' in my last post. I will allow you the fun of spotting it for yourself.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 8 March 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

I really want to read that new book Goat. Has anyone read it yet? About a guy being tormented during college hazing. and tormented in general, i guess. i don't know why it sounds so interesting. I'm not really into S&M or anything.

Related to this thread: I was in Shelburne Falls, Massachusetts last weekend visiting a friend and we were walking down the street and she pointed to an old woman across the street from us (after saying hello to her) and said that she was the mother of Augusten Burroughs(sic?) the author of Running With Scissors!! I couldn't believe it. I enjoyed that book a lot. And anyone who has read it will know what a big part his mother plays in it. It was strange to look at someone, a total stranger really, and know so much about them. And not good stuff either!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 March 2004 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I forgot to mention that his mother was being wheeled down the street in a wheelchair and that she looked very old and very ill.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 8 March 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

wow... that's really disturbing, actually.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Monday, 8 March 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago) link

Malcolm X

Leee the Lee (Leee), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

Loren Eiseley: All the Strange Hours.

Annie Dillard: An American Childhood

Ray Bradbury: Dandelion Wine (which is really an autobiography of sorts)

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

Rob Nixon--Dreambirds. The man can write.

otto, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:25 (twenty years ago) link

Mishima: Confessions Of A Mask

Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

I'd like to try Goat as well. It seems like there are loads of "I had a troubled past... no, I mean a really troubled past" memoirs out. Frey's A Million Little Pieces, Burroughs Running with Scissor and Dry.

If you want to read more along that line, try Bukowski's Post Office, Women and Ham on Rye. Now memoirs per se, but they read like one and you know he probably wasn't making up much of what he was writing about.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 12:57 (twenty years ago) link

I finally watched American Splendor last night. It made me cry. I loved that movie.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

American Splendor is terrific, isn't it? I was in the doomiest mood the night I went to see it, and walked out feeling Life-Affirmed, if you'll all forgive me in advance for saying so (especially in reference to Harvey Pekar, who's a good enough writer to do it without using such cliches).

I recently read Wendell Berry's The Long-Legged House, which is actually his first book of essays, just reprinted from 1969 by Shoemaker and Hoard (who deserve a separate thread devoted to their awesomeness). Anyway, the essay of the same name which appears in that book is what we would today call a memoir; in it Berry discusses the lifelong blooming of his love for the part of Kentucky where he grew up, and again, it's so much richer than my stupid description would ever indicate. In fact, if it is a memoir, it's one of the greatest memoirs I've ever read.

G.K. Chesterton has an autobiography, titled, appropriately, Autobiography. (I should cross-post this to the GKC thread we have going. It's probably one of his better books, since GKC was always writing about himself anyway, though in a peculiarly un-self-involved, un-self-aggrandizing way.) And most of the great mystical literature is "autobiographical"--Bunyan (who I'm sure is not everybody's favorite), Julian of Norwich, Margery Kempe, Augustine (also kind of a dick, but you can't ignore him), Newman, etc.

And C.S. Lewis's Surprised By Joy is amazing. What's more fucked up is that right after he published that book (a memoir in which the word "joy," used in a theological sense, becomes sort of the keynote), he got involved with Joy Gresham, fell in love for the first time, then being broken open as she was diagnosed with cancer and eventually died. I'm not wishing it on him, but all his late-'50s books are richer and wiser, seemingly as a result of this experience, than his stuff from the '40s (compare the first Narnia book or The Problem of Pain to The Four Loves, Reflections on the Psalms or Till We Have Faces). So he was surprised by Joy twice.

Phil Christman, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Ann, go to http://www.neilgaiman.com/exclusive/essay07.asp and scroll to the bottom of the (lengthy!) page to find the saga of the lost collaboration between PG Wodehouse and HP Lovecraft.

PuzzleMonkey (PuzzleMonkey), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Phil Christman writes:
What's more fucked up is that right after he published that book (a memoir in which the word "joy," used in a theological sense, becomes sort of the keynote), he got involved with Joy Gresham, fell in love for the first time, then being broken open as she was diagnosed with cancer and eventually died.


Have you read Lewis' A Grief Observed? It's excepts from his journal while coping with Joy's death. I've always thought it was his best, most emotional, most human, work.

SJ Lefty, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

"And most of the great mystical literature is 'autobiographical'--Bunyan (who I'm sure is not everybody's favorite), Julian of Norwich, Margery Kempe, Augustine (also kind of a dick, but you can't ignore him), Newman, etc."

There's also, more recently, AE's Candle of Vision, which matter-of-factly discusses his experiences with the supernatural. Seek it out if you're into that, and even more so if you dig Yeats and Dunsany.

otto, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

puzzlemonkey: Oh dear lord, thank you so much... eeeep!

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I don't like memoirs and autobiographies much, particularly the childhood parts.

All Bunged Up. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

>Have you read Lewis' A Grief Observed? It's excepts from his journal >while coping with Joy's death. I've always thought it was his best, >most emotional, most human, work.

Absolutely agreed. Simply comparing that one to Problem of Pain makes pretty tangible the contrast I was trying to set up between '40s Lewis and '50s Lewis. It's a wrenching book.
His letters are pretty great, too. That should be another thread--which author's-collected-letters books do you bother with?

Phil Christman, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Morley's 'Nothing's should be mentioned here, I think.
-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), March 8th, 2004.

There is an extraneous 's' in my last post. I will allow you the fun of spotting it for yourself.
-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), March 8th, 2004.


Yes.

Morley's 'Nothing's hould be mentioned here, I think.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 10 March 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, think Nothing of it.... say no Morley.

PuzzleMonkey (PuzzleMonkey), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

Ann, start the petition to publish the lost PG/HP manuscripts and letters!

PuzzleMonkey (PuzzleMonkey), Wednesday, 10 March 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Love Thurber's 'Years with Ross' which are pretty close to being an autobio in as much as he talks about himslef as much as his subject. Paul Bowles autibio (name escapes me) is, shockingly, trashy yet boring, and totally unlike his prose style in his fiction.

Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

nine months pass...
Search:
Straight Life - Art Pepper
No Minor Chords- Andre Previn
My Last Sigh - Luis Buñuel
Fun In a Chinese Laundry - Josef Von Sternberg

and see also:
Biographies and Autobiographies About Authors, S/D

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have this autobio of Benvenuto Cellini, the 16th. C. artist, which I have been 8 pages into for maybe a month now. It looks like it'll be good but I haven't gotten into the groove yet.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Running With Scissors, Dry, Moab Is My Washpot
Destroy: I haven't really read many others, can't think of any BAD ones

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Also search: Boy, Going Solo

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Cutty, One Rock by August Kleinzahler
Love and Other Infectious Diseases by Molly Haskell

Jessa (Jessa), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that last book about when Andrew S. was sick?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Bad Blood by Lorna Sage - especially if you're nostalgic for shabby and seedy olde England.

Charles Dexter (Holey), Saturday, 16 July 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

ms mac is v much into her biogs/autobiogs and its getting to near christmas hoarding time. recommendations of well-written books about interesting people gratefully accepted.

thinking sterling hayden's wanderer, is there a good one of christopher lee? etc etc

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 07:37 (ten years ago) link

currently reading Manchild in the Promised Land by Claude Brown about his experiences growing up in Harlem in the late 40s & 50s. He got into some petty crime an d got sent to reform school a couple of times, came out started dealing, got robbed moved into education. Interesting book.

I was hoping it would be an echo of

Pimp by Iceberg Slim which is a fictionalised account of his similar upbringing.

but Brown is its own thing, still interesting but not as snappy as Slim

Stevolende, Friday, 18 October 2013 09:16 (ten years ago) link

Most biogs Ive read are either music or sports related to be honest which is probably not Ms Macs thing... Iain McCalman's bio on 18th Century mystic-charlatan-celebrity Count Cagliostro is quite triffic.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Friday, 18 October 2013 09:36 (ten years ago) link

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champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 10:04 (ten years ago) link

Just read Scott Mills' one. Should be starting a new column for V**E where I do really earnest reviews of celebrity biographies I get in Poundland.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 18 October 2013 10:30 (ten years ago) link

whats the ! all about?

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Friday, 18 October 2013 11:27 (ten years ago) link

sounds perfect

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 11:55 (ten years ago) link

is it called Scott Mills: A Life in Monochrome?

chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Friday, 18 October 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link

Scott Mills: Love You Bye

Not too bad as far as these things go. Racing through Lee Mack's 'Mack the Life' which is proving to be shamefully entertaining. Dreading reading the Rowland Rivron one.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 18 October 2013 13:37 (ten years ago) link

Favorites:

Luis Buñuel - My Last Sigh
Gore Vidal - Palimpsest
Jean-Paul Sartre - The Words
Martin Amis - Experience
Philip Roth - Patrimony
Simone de Beauvoir - A Very Easy Death

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 October 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link

The last great one I read was Patti Smith's Just Kids.

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:26 (ten years ago) link

Aldous Huxley's Grey Eminence is v good, dunno if it fits the bill though.

calumerio, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link

Very much would i think, she has damned near a fetish for mothy english intellectual types iirc

champagne supernovella (darraghmac), Friday, 18 October 2013 15:42 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

lauren slater, 'lying'

what's the genealogy for this kind of literary memoir, with this voice? everything has the hell written out of it, for sure, but somehow reading it i feel like there would be no point to thinking seriously about it, not because of the author's business about not telling the truth, but just because the stylization seems so automatic now - and i am not a person who reads a lot of contemporary 'literary' non/fiction - that it seems like there could be little to it but performance. i guess i felt similarly reading maggie nelson last year.

j., Monday, 19 December 2016 06:28 (seven years ago) link


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