What's so great about Alice Munro?

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I've heard a lot of people rave about Munro, heard her hailed as one of the best contemporary fiction writers. I'm reading some of her stories and they're fine (though I do tire of the "woman having an affair and it's not working out" theme) but I just don't see why she's extraordinary.

So what do you LOVE about her writing and what stories do you feel are her best?

SJ Lefty, Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

what I love: Structure, Sentences, Storytelling.

Almost any of her story collections should give you an idea of what she's capable of. She's never obvious even when her subject matter is well-worn. She's innovative within the genre of traditional fiction. She's extremely inventive when it comes to constructing her stories. The fact that she's been doing it for so long and still maintains such a high level of craft is what boggles people's minds. You could easily teach a fiction-writing course based on any one story from a dozen different collections of hers. Her stories aren't "easy" even if on the surface they appear to be.
But really, her gift is to provide great stories for people who like great stories and great writing on every level for people who love that. (and if you love both then you should be able to find something to like about her.)

I would say: pick up the Hateship, Loveship..collection. Read the first story. If you don't like that one then she isn't for you.

What can I say, she just impresses the hell out of me. And I came to her late. Only in the last couple years. I never used to read her stories in the New Yorker.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I still get her mixed up with Carol Shields, to be honest.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm with you -- I have a book of her stories and I feel like they're just fine. A professor I once had said she was the greatest living short story writer, but I just don't see it.

Hurting, Monday, 27 September 2004 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Has anyone read her new story in Harper's this month? I'm dying to talk about it with someone.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

scott seward OTM! I will seek out this Harper's story and return.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr. Que, i have. it was great! my first munro story too, so I didn't know what to expect.

critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I only started reading her in the last 6 months or so, and she's just brilliant. I'd put her, Anton Chekhov and William Trevor at the top of my short story greats. I can't come close to the articulacy of Scott Seward's post: I'd just say that reading her stories makes me feel as though there's NOTHING about human nature she doesn't completely understand, or that she couldn't render beautifully in prose.

James Morrison (JRSM), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"I'd put her, Anton Chekhov and William Trevor at the top of my short story greats."

add Flannery O'connor(Munro is much influenced by her),Carver,Cortazar,Borges,Kafka, abd Balzac to that list.

mountain goat of cheese (emekars), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 05:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i finally got her! i've read the progress of love and something i've been meaning to tell you recently. incredible. it takes me 2-3 pages to get into each story, but by the end i'm out of breath. the most unassuming titles, scenarios, situations, characters manage to be so impeccably illustrated.

the one canadian short story writer that i find comparable or even superior is sharon butala.

derrick harder (derrick.h), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Another thing I like about her is that she's one of the few, Deborah Eisenberg is another, who's pretty much committed to the long short story. I like stories of various lengths, but a thirty or forty pager lets you linger in another world for a while, as you might in a novel, and since Munro's worlds tend to be rich, I like that. Probably more people would write longer stories if there were more journals around who would take them.

dylan (dylan), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"add Flannery O'connor(Munro is much influenced by her),Carver,Cortazar,Borges,Kafka, abd Balzac to that list."

Actually, I pretty much would, though Carver and Cortazar would be a little lower than the others. I went for my first three mainly becuase of the sheer size of their output, as well as its quality.

James Morrison (JRSM), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

she's my favorite writer i've discovered over the last two or three years. she is unbelievably great. my only complaint (in the middle of a story) is she has these *moments*. but then she does amazing things with the moments. but then i wonder, are moments really like that?

but then i think she knows this, and she uses these moments to illuminate everything.

<3 <3 <3

Matt P, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

cosign 1000%

t_g, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i've been getting really into her work the last 6 months, and 'open secrets' is the greatest short story collection i've ever read. scott totally otm: she's so elegant, and there's not a wasted word, and such a natural flow to her prose. i like that a lot of her stories have these sinister undertones.

it's always funny until someone gets hurt and then it's just hilariou (Rubyredd), Friday, 5 December 2008 03:41 (fifteen years ago) link

The short story writer I've most imitated, ever since I read "The Albanian Virgin" fifteen years ago. I've taught "Royal Beatings," "Floating Bridge," and "The Turkey Farm" quite a bit. The seemingly artless manner in which incidents accumulate, illuminated by the perceptions of an older narrator, always astonishes me.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 5 December 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

i wld say pretty much everything

stayed up l8 last nite reading all of &cship, marriage feeling bewildered by something so great. the last story is just ...damn but there were a few others the one that opens the collection and the one with the golf course "nettles" are so n/l i kind of want to talk about them like physical effects like something that happened 2 me

♥/b ~~~ :O + x_X + :-@ + ;_; + :-/ + (~,~) + (:| = :^) (Lamp), Friday, 10 July 2009 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

idk maybes its kind of like that franzen review/meltdown theres no way to talk about her stories just u have 2 read them but... idk. my head is filled w/ them

also what should i read next i bought lives of girls and women and open secrets and id already read runaway and dance of the happy shade. recs plz

♥/b ~~~ :O + x_X + :-@ + ;_; + :-/ + (~,~) + (:| = :^) (Lamp), Friday, 10 July 2009 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link

the only other one i've read is moons of jupiter - i think that's what it's called? anyway it's awesome but yeah i would like some recs too

just sayin, Friday, 10 July 2009 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

i wonder, are moments really like that?

The fact that she has you wondering means that, within the universe of the story she is telling, she was able to convince you of their reality. That is part of her storytelling art.

The fact that, after laying down the book, you have lingering doubts about the reality of those moments means to me that she is probably placing an exaggerated throw-weight into those instants, in order to increase their immediate impact on the reader. A writer like Henry James would arrange such moments so that their impact grew in retrospect.

This is a rather small weakness in my opinion, but it is a gauge as well.

Aimless, Friday, 10 July 2009 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

no one ever tells me anything so i went to the bookstore and bought a bunch of her books all at once gathered up the slim gray volumes and read through them v. quickly all wknd @ the beach

*spoiler*

at the end of lives of girls women which has the best title when the girl sleeps with the dude from the lumberyard and fails her exams daydreaming of sweat and pleasure i felt kind of angry with her like she was such a fool but i *think* i wasnt supposed to or at least i should i *get* what she was doing what was really impt &c

still i felt sad and irked by her

♥/b ~~~ :O + x_X + :-@ + ;_; + :-/ + (~,~) + (:| = :^) (Lamp), Monday, 13 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

the collection with "Save The Reaper!" (published in '98) is marvelous.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 July 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

To be honest I can't really recommend any one in particular--every one of her books (haven't yet read the most recent) struck me as being pretty bloody excellent.

Great Expectorations (James Morrison), Monday, 13 July 2009 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Open Secrets is a good starting place. Or Hateship, Friendship...

but, yeah, just dive in.

though maybe don't start with The View From Castle Rock just cuz it's a little different. combining historical autobio stuff with fictional stuff.

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

(i mention those two books - Open Secrets and Hateship...just cuz i feel like they contain one knockout punch after another.)

scott seward, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah hateship is all killer no filler although still MAYBE not as a good as runaway

moons of jupiter has a couple of really fantastic ones too... "hard luck stories" is like a vision or a song or something idk

♥/b ~~~ :O + x_X + :-@ + ;_; + :-/ + (~,~) + (:| = :^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

The thing I think is really startling about her is her descriptions which are eerily precise and cliché-free.

❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Saturday, 18 July 2009 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

yah she really "captures it," as they say

W i l l, Saturday, 18 July 2009 14:04 (fourteen years ago) link

new book out later this year!!

where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Saturday, 18 July 2009 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Stock photos of self-conscious women. Fitting?

bamcquern, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link

the ones with faces seem out of place.

W i l l, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:12 (fourteen years ago) link

idk i think theyre waaaay nice than stock photos are mb i just like the stock photo aesthetic

the girl in "there's something..." is mesmerizing to me

Lamp, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

The new collection is her best since Hateship...

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link

there's only been one other btw them (?) which is my absolute favorite of hers. although there's something i've been menaing to tell you has the story about the dude that tries to walk on water.

Lamp, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, they're lovely. I thought they were Hoppers for a minute

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 4 February 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

I believe they're not stock, but were taken especially for the books.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Alice Munro is like the female northern version of William Faulkner.

youn, Thursday, 4 February 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link

o_0

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Friday, 5 February 2010 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link

there's only been one other btw them (?)

Runaway
The View From Castle Rock

Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 February 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh they're def not stock

W i l l, Friday, 5 February 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

woo a copy of 'hateship, friendship' showed up at work today, i can read this person now

thomp, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link

you will love it (maybe)

hateship is a good place to start, it's pretty much amazing

just sayin, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Yup.

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link

i really like those penguin classics covers, why do they not have them over here

just sayin, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

picked up 'open secrets' & 'the love of a good woman', half way thru the latter now. kinda wonder what im going to do when i run out of her books, i always love knowing that theres more of them to read

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I know! I've only got Castle Rock left unread, and I'm trying to hold off on that until she gets a new one out, so that I won't be without something to live for.

the most cuddlesome bug that ever was borned (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i just looked on wikipedia + ive got 6 more to go which is a relief

just sayin, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha this was exactly my thinking, but then i got greedy and read the last 3 in recent months ;_;

just1n3, Thursday, 24 February 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link

the last collection seemed to imply this was the case, maybe, a little

the bitcoin comic (thomp), Sunday, 23 June 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link

but, yeah, i mean, good on her, i think?

the bitcoin comic (thomp), Sunday, 23 June 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link

I'm all in favour of people quitting while they're ahead--see E M Forster--I just want more good stuff because I'm greedy

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Monday, 24 June 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link

Good for her. I've got enough Munro to reread the rest of my life.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 June 2013 01:42 (ten years ago) link

not why forster quit iirc

the bitcoin comic (thomp), Monday, 24 June 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link

only just saw this! sad news

just sayin, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 10:38 (ten years ago) link

Great profile in today's NY Times. Amazing that she published her first stories at age 37, in 1968.

lols lane (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

Yep. She gives me hope. Prodigies are rare.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:55 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Nobel Prize!

woof, Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:02 (ten years ago) link

WOOOOWWWWW

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:04 (ten years ago) link

https://twitter.com/Nobelprize_org/status/388258838744297472

woof, Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:15 (ten years ago) link

fuck yeah

just sayin, Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:27 (ten years ago) link

this news makes me v happy

just sayin, Thursday, 10 October 2013 11:28 (ten years ago) link

she deserves it!

nostormo, Thursday, 10 October 2013 12:06 (ten years ago) link

Hurrah!

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 10 October 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link

Congratulations to Ms. Munro. Many excellent writers do not get the prize because the selection committee tends to shun controversy, but she is at least as deserving as the winners of the past.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 October 2013 20:35 (ten years ago) link

<3 you baby if you're reading this lol xxx

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Friday, 11 October 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link

heyyyyy way to go, alice, great work!!

anonymous jazz majors (Matt P), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:40 (ten years ago) link

i'm really pleased about this.

estela, Friday, 11 October 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link

yeah this rules

anonymous jazz majors (Matt P), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link

nice little retirement present. beats a gold watch.

scott seward, Friday, 11 October 2013 23:02 (ten years ago) link

i think i'll let myself read a new story of hers to celebrate, i've been hoarding a pile of unread ones like silas marner but without the gloom.

estela, Friday, 11 October 2013 23:19 (ten years ago) link

wow cool that THE AMAZING RANDY writes for the onion now

http://www.theonion.com/articles/thunk-u-for-nobbel-prise-me-happie-now,34171/

anonymous jazz majors (Matt P), Friday, 11 October 2013 23:21 (ten years ago) link

nobel prizes for algernon.

estela, Friday, 11 October 2013 23:24 (ten years ago) link

haha yes i've had the newest book for awhile now and am putting off reading it, since it's probably the last one!

just1n3, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:16 (ten years ago) link

ex boyfriend just said her work was "overrated." How much do I pay bounty hunters?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 October 2013 04:39 (ten years ago) link

Tell me one great Munro short story to read. I've never gotten through one.

idembanana (abanana), Saturday, 12 October 2013 16:07 (ten years ago) link

"Floating Bridge"

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 October 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Meanwhile, in Norway,
I've heard a buncha people complain about how the Nobel "once again" picked someone "no one has heard of." Wtf.
Quite a few of her books have been Norwegianed, for what it's worth.

Øystein, Saturday, 12 October 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link

Uh, I love "Englished" but "Norwegianed" was a lousy idea.

Øystein, Saturday, 12 October 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link

i've been wondering recently why munro seems so underexposed despite being so beloved. like, is it just that she writes in a relatively unpopular form (the short story)? how much does it have to do w/ her being a woman? or canadian i guess? (or am i just mistaken about her popularity?)

1staethyr, Saturday, 12 October 2013 21:32 (ten years ago) link

"or am i just mistaken about her popularity?"

this

nostormo, Saturday, 12 October 2013 21:48 (ten years ago) link

maybe i need a more literary friend group

1staethyr, Saturday, 12 October 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link

she definitely has fans in the u.s. (among literary types who have been reading her in the new yorker for years and her trade paperbacks are fairly ubiquitous and she always gets gushing reviews in newspapers so anyone who buys lit books based on those reviews has to know about her) and canada, but i don't know about elsewhere. my opinion is skewed though cuz i have lived in philly, marthas vineyard, and western mass for decades now and those places are filled with brainiacs who read a ton. but her rave newspaper reviews are nation-wide. i would say "college-educated New Yorker Magazine reader" would seem to be her target audience here BUT i think there is also book club crossover with her and i kinda can't believe Oprah never raved about her but maybe she did and i missed it.

also, yeah, short story collections one notch above new volumes of poetry as far as sales go probably. with some exceptions.

she is listed on oprah mag's fave women writers list:

http://www.oprah.com/oprahsbookclub/Favorite-Women-Writers/3

and she gets reviewed by francine prose in O mag:

http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/Too-Much-Happiness-by-Alice-Munro-Book-Review

scott seward, Sunday, 13 October 2013 02:40 (ten years ago) link

she is way too subtle for an oprah bookclub choice

just1n3, Sunday, 13 October 2013 03:44 (ten years ago) link

As much as anything, I became more aware of her as each Best American Short Stories annual, from the late 80s through the 90s, featured one and sometimes two of her stories, without a break in the run.

Lover (Eazy), Sunday, 13 October 2013 05:15 (ten years ago) link

Would it shock y'all to know that Bret Easton Ellis thinks she's overrated?

the vineyards where the grapes of corporate rock are stored (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link

http://i39.tinypic.com/ff48q0.png

Lover (Eazy), Thursday, 17 October 2013 02:26 (ten years ago) link

"Short story writer Munro, 82, revealed in 2009 that she had undergone coronary bypass surgery and had had cancer treatment."

nostormo, Friday, 18 October 2013 11:03 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

some of her stories so many of them really are like a long swim in the ocean you come out of them feeling refreshed & born anew

― polymath & psychics club (Lamp),

otm. I had a similar response reading the late story "Fiction" in one sitting this morning. Wow. She has a talent for drawing circles around circles, and when I'm afraid she's spinning away from the center she pulls the circles together and tight.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 February 2024 15:26 (three months ago) link

yeah maybe it was on this board where someone described her stories as kind of starting in the middle and then expanding outward like tree rings

brimstead, Saturday, 17 February 2024 16:55 (three months ago) link

the retail person in me wants to know more about alice in her bookstore days.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXU1priUUAA3wHj?format=jpg

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:52 (three months ago) link

my eyes are terrible. i see james joyce.

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:53 (three months ago) link

i like the peek at her shelf. i feel like i'm spying.

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:56 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

i didn't even see that she had died! well, i'll be reading her for as long as i live. don't know if there is more that i can say. i used to say she was my favorite living writer. now i don't know what to say! she lived long. she wrote good.

scott seward, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 13:19 (one week ago) link

Just reread “Family Furnishings”. Not much happens. Everything happens. A genius.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 May 2024 23:18 (one week ago) link


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