I mean, Calvino is completely comfortable playing in the fields of metafiction, but he also seems contemptuous of anyone who mistakes the ball for the game (for want of a better metaphor). The whole book is a testament to What Happens Next. It celebrates mystification, nowhere more than in the last fragment where the narrator analytically strips the world down one layer at a time but discovers at the end that it's all in the service of some government plot and he misses all the things he stripped away.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 22 January 2005 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 22 January 2005 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link
i will try to post someting "deep" tomorrow
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago) link
I'm afraid I don't like this novel by Calvino, which I read 5 years ago. I suppose it has certain intricate ways of cleverness, but I seem to remember thinking it was too driven by sexuality.
― the bellefox, Saturday, 22 January 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 22 January 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
But what I guess I mean in the thread title is that the book is metafiction, but it's metafiction about the perils of metafiction. It uses (then) trendy critical theory to puncture the critical theory itself. Or so it seemed to me.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 22 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 22 January 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 22 January 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Sunday, 23 January 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link
In any case, I pulled out my copy of Oulipo Laboratory which has a little thing by Calvino called "How I Wrote One of My Books" containing little structuralist squares for each numbered chapter of the book. The first page of this has all the squares and it looks like a sideways pyramid, with the first and last chapters having one square each and the middle two chapters having six squares each. Maybe if I look hard enough I can find the one that corresponds to "when it seems like he's writing the story but at the same time he's writing about the experience of reading the story."
― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 23 January 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Marcovaldo is easily my favorite of his books. Harry Mathews has an essay about Calvino's funeral in which a whole class of schoolkids come, saddened over the loss of Marcovaldo's creator.
(Pinefox I am merely flirting with you insincerely, do not be alarmed.)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 23 January 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
but... too driven by sexuality? i don't get that.
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 24 January 2005 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link
Invisible Cities, though, is magnificent.
― The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link
No... There are a few fantasies of sex, and there is some sex within the story snippets scattered through the book (although there certainly isn't sex in all of them), but the Reader's pursuit of the Other Reader is routinely frustrated until the very end, when they're finally in bed together...reading. The book isn't about sex at all. It's about books.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 4 February 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― the pomefox, Saturday, 5 February 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 5 February 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― emil.y (emil.y), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― emil.y (emil.y), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Your previous mail is intriguing but truly ends in chuckles. Anyone who has seen how I treat my books will not think me their abuser.
(PS: Is cooking erotic because it = the pursuit of a finished meal? Is walking erotic cos it involves getting from A to B (= a desire)? I think what all these acts share is a certain teleology, a purposiveness; would that they were as erotic as all that.)
― the firefox, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
(And, yes, my initial post's ending was intended to be at least slightly amusing, if not actually funny.)
― emil.y (emil.y), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Food also takes long to prepare but is quick to devour.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link
If I wanted to write a book 'about books', such erotic entanglements would not be an obvious way of going about it.
seems like a comment quite far, far from the money, off in its own little impoverished land, dragging its fingers through the dry earth.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― the bluefox, Thursday, 10 February 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
dude is right, that book was slammin'
― Ethel Slaughter Zachary (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/021_02/13283
The sensational quality (and here I mean the sensations one feels when encountering a book by an author who killed herself upon its completion) of its content in relation to its seeming parallels with Qiu Miaojin’s life is an inextricable part of the reading. The book is an entirely postmodern act.
'Postmodern' clearly not doing much these days...doubt it could've been this calculated. But who knows with suicide..
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 28 July 2014 10:47 (nine years ago) link
I'd like to read this essay?
Marcovaldo is in my top 3 Calvino for sure. If... Traveller never was, but it was a long time ago that I read it, I was much younger; in fact it seems like a really good idea to read it again ASAP.
Someone upthread otm about how Calvino, of the ludic authors, never wants to mistake the ball for the game. That's why I love him the most.
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Monday, 28 July 2014 14:08 (nine years ago) link
When you understand what the pinefox was saying, that is an early warning sign.― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 22 January 2005 09:06 (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link
I´m looking forward to read his letters book (now available in Penguin pocket as well). Both Vintage and Penguin have his work in print, but the contents and the titles of the books vary sometimes - very irritating sometimes. ´Six Memos for the Next Millenium´ is a great read for how he explains his working methods for constructing his stories.
― EvR, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Six Memos totally rules
― before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link