Rolling Comic Books 2023

That pretty much sums up Corben's work.

Never enjoyed Corben either, like looking at badly made plasticine figures hitting each other.

Monica out in a month. It might be Clowes’ best book, and definitely his best conceived-as-a-graphic-novel novel. (But would have been mindblowing if it first dropped as a run of revived Eightballs, and only revealed itself as one work upon reading the second issue or w/e.)

That’s exciting to hear. I really enjoyed Patience but iirc it fell apart a bit towards the end. Still haven’t read the one before that.

Corben rarely had interesting scripts but I have most of his stuff

Murky world had really distorted faces even by his standards. My favourites are House On The Borderland (nice adaptation), Warren era stuff for Mario Bava colour effects, Rowlf for fine drawing, Den 2 for effects and really disturbing shit.

I got a few Masami Fukushima books and I'm looking through Saint Muscle, extremely eccentric stuff but it's hard to tell who is doing the best of the drawing as he worked with plenty of assistants, often an annoyance with manga, all these uncredited artists, sometimes Wikipedia will tell you about the assistants but that information might be very incomplete.

Not sure how many more Defiler Monk books I want because they were really expensive

I really wish Corben had done of that fine line drawing style of Rowlf, more of that colour from the Warren era even if he had been using different techniques. Wish he had done more straight painting and less of the computer experimentation, but I think he maybe wanted to see what he could do with different tech all the time.

I kept thinking those naked wrestling men by Man Gataro looked like Tezuka and Miyazaki

I think he did designs for the Power Instinct fighting game series?

Corben did some work on American Splendor which was pretty good.

Gataro Man has been published in French though. His stuff gets funnier the more of it you read, the sheer repetition of gags actually creates a giddy feeling.

― gjoon1, Saturday, 26 August 2023 02:28

It's so brilliant that every time people fall down the stairs they get hit by a speeding truck

It's sad but all the best comic artists rarely get good scripts, look at all the classic graphic novels and the art is usually second or third rate

Must be lovely being a comics writer and seeing all your ideas pissed away with perfunctory art

Almost zero of the best comics artists actually need scripts tho. (And the only two REALLY good writers-of-scripts in EL assembly-line comics were both also published as writer/artists.)

((Notably more examples of long-running good writer+artist partnerships without the insertion of other assembly line steps, too))

Sorry for acting so dismissive in the last few posts, I've been anxious lately, need to calm down

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I feel like Kaluta is one of the least reprinted among my favourites, always heard that The Shadow: In The Coils Of The Leviathan is one of his better books but it's never cheap (apart from the individual issues?), there was a more recent Shadow book but it was a collaboration with Russ Heath that didn't really call to me.
Really didn't care for the new colours on the Starstruck reprints.

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I know it's unsurprising to say that the new Simon Hanselmann is sad and gross but boy I think I may have hit my limit - doesn't help that it's mostly about the kids.

That Madam Xanadu one-shot is a classic old school comic book.

I've always wondered about Hanselmann's stuff but never really gave it a shot. I'd occasionally thumb through an issue and the writing never grabbed me.

If you’re seeing his single issues, probably worth grabbing as an investment — they leap to $60-170 on eBay within months

(I think they read much funnier in color, for the ones that do get collected)

I just finished reading The Dark Knight Returns and... wtf? I thought this was supposed to be good? Was it good for the times or something? Because the plotting is sloppy, characters are undeveloped, sometimes it's hard to understand what is actually happening.

Before that I read Year One which I was really impressed by, but ugh. No, no, no.

You won't get much of an impassioned defense from me. At the time DKR and Watchmen were seen as the two works that made superheroes "grow up" but as time passes and Miller's fash leanings become more apparent it becomes more and more obvious how adolescent DKR really is. Year One def a better work, also nicer art imo.

tbf tho "characters are underdeveloped" - book is predicated on you knowing most of these characters already

I guess I mean the setup of newer characters; Robin, the Mutants. It feels rushed and plodding at the same time.

I haven't re-read DKR in a while, but it's pretty much burned in my brain from so many readings as a kid, and I hafta disagree with these takes. Fwiw, I think Year One is boring...

Agree that Year One has 'nicer art' than DKR - I think by that point Miller and Janson weren't meshing especially well together. I once saw some of the original artwork from DKR - huge page size! - where Miller had actually reinked the artwork after it was printed, suggesting he wasn't happy with the way his pencils had been treated.

i re-read it recently and it felt like getting back in touch with an old friend

the sequels confused me though. robin's dressed like a leopard, why?

the error in the swastika on one of the pages though, that always puzzled me. i think it was corrected later.

I still can't believe they did sequels (I mean, I can "believe" it, but...). The original felt so perfectly complete.

(book 3, page 2 for the error. it's still there in the 10th anniversary hardback)

If anything, Miller's decline makes DKR look better as time passes.
Gotham Central is a worthy spiritual continuation of Year One, but no one's really come up with anything to replace DKR.
Morrison made a great landmark Superman title with All-Star Superman (compared to Miller's tepid All-Star Batman), but turning Batman into a time-traveling caveman or a franchise operator didn't quite make for a DKR replacement, though I'd take those arcs over DKR2 & 3 any day (If you thought DKR was sloppy and incoherent...)

I guess you could think of Batman Beyond as the DKR competitor?

DKR's a classic! Klaus Janson's inks - classic! The colours - classic! The story - super pompous but whatever!

It's odd that DKR was the OG "superheroes for adults" comic, because, more than anything, it's a great comic for teenagers to read. And then grow out of. And never read again.

I agree Year One is better - but the Daredevil run is miles better than either.

See, I think Watchmen is more "adolescent": kinda pretentious; squarely in the wheelhouse of a precocious youth... something you grow out of (even back then, though, I preferred DKR).

watchmen wouldn't make my Alan Moore top10 but ain't no precocious youths interested in pirate comics come on now

Well not specifically no, but that was part of the package…

Meanwhile, I've been enjoying a lot of classic 2000AD - getting towards the end of the Rogue Trooper omnibus - and I will say that one thing that I think separates me from a lot of the ppl writing for that mag back in the day is my childhood was not spent obsessing about battles from WWI&II.

It is really weird in retrospect. Do you still get kids obsessed with war who make model airplanes? Do Blue Peter style children still exist?

I still had friends who played with little green soldiers but my leftist parents would have none of this. Mind you I got into Arthurian legends and LOTR instead so still got excited by bloodshed. GI Joe was another thing my parents steered me clear off, though from all I've seen since it doesn't bear much resemblance to actual war.

I'd guess kids today who gravitate towards this kind of stuff would be into mecha animes or militaristic shooters (Call of Duty kinda the most direct equivalent?).

Isn't more that there was an existing (and successful) war comics magazine that Mills and Wagner got asked to set up an alternative to?

Which is all part of the "the generation above theirs processing wtf happened, through art"

there were a few, Battle and Action, not to mention all the Commando type things (which still exists)

Andrew I'd argue it's several generations who were obsessed - yes there were successful war comics out at the time, so ver kids were reading that stuff and the 2000ad ppl knew this, but I think the artist's loving renditions, and the writer's tendency to make their sci-fi scenarios so often end up WWI/WWII comics in disguise, wasn't just about playing to the audience, they were really into that stuff too!

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I can see why they didn't hire Rob Liefield for this one.

not out until March here, let us know how it is

lol not to be all jaymc spreadsheet but don't you both live in Australia?

I’m extremely unlikely to read this.

Needs a scratch n’ sniff foot fetish edition

Correction to something I said upthread... The Shadow: In The Coils Of Leviathan was mostly drawn by Gary Gianni and others, Kaluta only did covers and illustrations

I have lived elsewhere for six years now.

Did read a due-out-in-translation-next-year GN yesterday, that in its lurid pop-art/Peter-Maxy visuals I at first took to be inspired by the Jodelle translation, and the plot riffing on the controlling nature of hi-tech-equipped music biz svengalis to be a throwback to Phantom Of The Paradise and The Apple, until it turned out to be from 1968.

Happy New Year! I rhave big love for Mort Meskin as well, esp. his wild early Vigilante splashes. His stuff was often so kinetic but the quality varied wildly as he seemed to have personal issues later on that affected his drawing.

Somebody did a book as a duel tribute to him and Umezu (unusual combo) recently but I havent seen it. He's one of many artists I think might be more celebrated if the rights weren't tied up in so many companies. I think a lot of his work was collaboration too. I ordered the biography, I really like reading about that era of comic artists.