well its doesnt really matter how much it costs, it matters how much people will pay, tho obvs it makes sense that people would pay more to live in a building thats not made of plastic
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
people who live in plastic buildings shouldn't vote at a city council meeting
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That's a little simplified, I mean it's really more about how much more people will pay vs how much more it costs, i.e. a lil something called profit margin. And also how much financing you can get to build it. Not to mention that there are probably some old industrial buildings that are just too dilapidated/unsound to renovate.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
sry hurting just take yr real estate owning like man
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
I mean it might be like Scenario A we can demolish and then build 50 brand new plastic-ass apartments for a total of $20 million dollars, get the thing built real quick and flip em to suckas for an average of $500K each -- boom, quick five million dollar profit.
Whereas scenario B we can build like 40 one-million dollar apartments, but it will cost us 36 million to do the renovation, plus it will take two years so there's more risk.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
*100% realistic numbers used above
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
so you in or what
i doubt building a whole new building is cheaper than renovating a factory, maybe when you consider what you have to pay for a factory but having paid for the factory i dont think anyones knocking one down
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:12 (ten years ago) link
what if the factory was a factory that manufactured apartments, hmmm, have you ever thought of that
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
of course i thought of that fn n00b
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:12 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok, but it is sometimes, for all kinds of reasons -- structural issues, difficulties getting a certain building up to code for residential, presence of asbestos and the like, suboptimal use of footprint (i.e. you could build a lot more apartments in a new taller/wider building than you could in the existing factory) etc.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
sure, but generally it seems like developers are pretty psyched to do conversions
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
when i was walking around wbugr during hurricane sandy there were all these weird new condo buildings w/ sculpted hedges out front and lobbies
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link
i felt kind of sad because it was obvious they were new, if only they had been allowed to make them 100 stories or something (i think the tallest was like 10 floors), think of how much housing pressure that would have relieved
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
downtown bk has a bunch of new towers, guess its ok there
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/nyregion/city-plans-redevelopment-for-vacant-area-in-lower-manhattan.html
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/09/18/nyregion/18stewart-park/18stewart-park-popup.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:25 (ten years ago) link
if only these ugly expensive unaffordable condo towers were ten times taller
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:29 (ten years ago) link
well theyre not unaffordable to everyone, and if the people who can afford them moved in there then the shitty apartments they move out of would become more affordable
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
and if youre gonna build ugly ass buildings somewhere it might as well be williamsburg since the pre existing buildings are also ugly ass
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
but like i said making pretty tall building is way preferable
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
building super tall buildings in Brooklyn is one more step towards nyc becoming the america blade runner, which is what everybody involved in the discussion agrees on is the best possible outcome
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:38 (ten years ago) link
totally
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:39 (ten years ago) link
i remember standing on the brooklyn bridge once looking all at midtown and downtown and north jersey and brooklyn and long island city and thinking this is a pretty cool ass place but you know what would even be cooler if it was like ten times as big <<an actually thought i had
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:40 (ten years ago) link
this is a cool map btw http://bdon.org/2013/09/12/building-age-nyc
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
convincing post, I rescind my objections
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:43 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wow. that's cool. if accurate my building in the slope is from 1899.
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
I was hanging out on the LIC waterfront recently and I thought it looked like it was designed for people who did not want to feel the slightest reminder that they were in New York City.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
that is the most confusing thing about so much new construction
― chinavision!, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
I sorta feel like a lot of people live in the city who actually hate living in the city (or cities).and they don't know it yet about themselves, but I do.
― chinavision!, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:11 (ten years ago) link
maybe these buildings look like dorms and people are trying to relive their cool college years?
― chinavision!, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
I think those lower manhattan buildings are not bad looking, but what's going on in the lower sections -- is that like a parking garage or mall-style retail or something?
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link
do you need me to read the article 4 u
The development would include retail markets, restaurants, office space, a movie theater, parks, an Andy Warhol Museum and 1,000 apartments.
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link
kewl
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:31 (ten years ago) link
busy ass spot to live at imho right at the foot of the bridge
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:32 (ten years ago) link
i just hope it's not mall-style like south street seaport though -- the big footprint of the lower half of the building makes it look like some stuff must face the interior of the building. But maybe that's just the movie theater and "Andy Warhol Museum"
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:44 (ten years ago) link
that's how I feel about all those new downtown BK buildings like Oro, you're living in a tower above a big congested Manhattan Bridge on-ramp (xpost)
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
that South Street Seaport mall closed! think they're just building a nicer mall there though basically
― dmr, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
if i lived in a building w a movie theater id prob see every movie
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:47 (ten years ago) link
xp yeah I know, it was a huge failure.
people who build malls inside of cities are disgusting savages imo
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link
my building is from 1964, and i'm pretty sure the air conditioner is an original.
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 September 2013 18:56 (ten years ago) link
i look forward to when you can travel everywhere you need to go via sky bridges and you never need to touch the ground
― 乒乓, Wednesday, 18 September 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/EVY0NzD.jpg
― calstars, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
acme smoked fish facility is on gem iirc
― ian, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:48 (ten years ago) link
I fucking love Acme
Used to kill a tub of whitefish salad
― 龜, Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link
Was just back in the Graham Ave area yesterday and was glad to see Carmine's is still going strong. Took the kids for a slice. So good.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 1 August 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
anybody been to the Park Church Co-Op - the huge Lutheran cathedral on the edge of McGorlick park? Apparently they have movie showings and alcohol there now for some events?
― calstars, Monday, 1 August 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link