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So I got this really nice All-Clad pan last month, because I wanted one that I could cook meat on stove with and then toss in the oven to finish.

However, it is the MESSIEST PAN EVER and hard to clean. Forget about making eggs in it. I got some teriyaki sauce in there while making burgers last night and it instantly turned into black crust.

Am I just spoiled by non-stick pans? How do I properly employ this one?!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's possible to season an All-Clad pan to the point where it'll release food pretty well, but my philosophy is "life's too short." I use soap and -- gulp, I admit it -- even a plastic scouring pad to clean my stainless steel pots and pans, and save the delicate stuff like pancakes and eggs over easy for the nonstick skillets (which I clean with hot water, fingers and a clean dish towel, no soap).

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I have some All-Clad stuff and it is kind of a bitch to clean. Try Bar Keeper's Friend before you give up hope. And yes, leave the eggs to a nonstick.

ng-unit, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

If I have a difficult pan to clean, I put in some washing up liquid and water, stick it back on the stove and bring it to the boil. Stir with a wooden spoon if it doesn't lift by itself.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My main cookware is stainless steel and now cast iron, but I do keep one non-stick pan specifically for eggs.

One trick I have for cleaning the stainless is - as soon as the food in it is cooked, remove the food to a separate plate or container, fill the pan with water and put it back on the (now turned off but cooling) burner. The residual heat from the burner and the pan helps to loosen the cooked-on stuff. I use a copper scourer (Chore Boy) with impunity on my stainless stuff as well as (gently) on the cast iron, but it's probably not recommended. Bar Keeper's Friend sounds like a good option!

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Putting the soapy pan on a burner seems like a good idea, better than leaving it to soak all night. Thanks!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never used nonstick pans! Teflon kind of scares me. All my stuff is stainless steel, I use barkeepers friend when they get too grody.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Teflon is awesome.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm leery of Teflon too. I found out ages ago it can never be used in a tobacco factory, because when it burns, it's deadly. The one deadly thing they keep out of ciggies!

I'm almost able to keep my cast iron seasoned to the point of being non-stick, but not quite good enough for omelets without a lot of oil.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Teflon is scary.

Never buy or use a pot or pan that you don't mind replacing.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So yesterday, I was poking around on Amazon, looking for more stuff to put on my wish list as a means of Not Working, when I came upon a 6 1/2 quart oval Le Creuset casserole, in blue. As I went to click on the button, I saw the special deal - buy it, and get the 2 3/4 quart covered soup dish free. I had actual palpitations and serious overwhelming lust; I've never owned any Le Creuset, but WANT WANT WANT!!!! And I had a gift cert to cover (part) of the cost.

I hesitated all of 14 seconds. They won't arrive until February. Amazon is a dangerous place.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Also - thanks ng-unit and teeny. I bought some Barkeeper's Friend and it is really amazing. Even the outsides of my stainless pans are gleaming now.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice! I have that exact blue Creuset and I use it all the time. Lots of one-pot roasted vegetable soups; it's great for oven-to-stovetop or vice versa.

Isn't Bar Keeper's Friend basically baking soda? I use the latter for all my degriming and it keeps me shiny and happy, but maybe I should compare them head to head.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

haha for christmas I got this

http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?order_num=-1&SKU=13349258

i'm expecting that i have said goodby to nonstick worries!

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the BKF has some other stuff in it, as it turns black and takes off tarnish even if you don't rub. The ingredients aren't listed on the can that I could see.

Ha! I found the MSDS on their website - it's got 10% oxalic acid, so has to be kept away from chlorine and other alkalies.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

AaronK - on that Caphalon, when they say hand wash, they mean it. I've seen two ruined by being thrown in the dishwasher. Take care not to scratch it, never use it on max. heat, and it will last you a good long non-stick time!

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Le Creuset is AMAZING, the greatest cookware ever invented. I got some for a wedding gift, and am adding more. I LOVE IT.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

cool, thanks Jaq. I dont have a dishwasher anyway, so that's good.

what's strange is that they say you can use metal utensils on it, unlike the regular nonstick-coated pans. but man, im not taking any chances with this one!

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

What is awesome about La Creuset?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm all about cast iron these days, the stuff is incredible, esp. for baking and long, slow simmering. So:

1 cast iron
2 enamelled
3 blue!!!!!
4 oval!

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, what Jaq said. Perfect for long slow cooking, a joy to clean, seemingly indestructible and it just looks so good. There's probably better stuff somewhere, but not in my kitchen, and I just love it.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I did split a Le Creuset casserole once, by sealing the lid with flour-water paste per instructions and putting a stew in to slow-cook. Apparently my paste was stronger than the iron, which developed a crack down the side. I don't hold that against the fine French cookware though.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I did just get a regular cast iron skillet for Xmas, but I don't really have a clue what to do with it. Make cornbread, I was told, shortly after I had made some cornbread.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 December 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Use it to bake anything. Seriously. Biscuits, cookies, cornbread, cake. A loaf of bread. I'm continually amazed at how wonderful baked goods turn out.

For cornbread, heat the skillet up with the oven. When both are hot, take out the pan, throw a lump of butter in, let it melt, then pour in the batter. To die for.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 December 2005 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot to add: return to the oven and bake :)

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 December 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Make a potato rosti in it. Thinly slice medium to small potatoes, melt some butter in the bottom of the skillet, layer the potatoes in, pour more butter over the top, bake at 350 until the edges are crispy brown and the center is tender. Add thinly sliced onions if you like.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Use it like a wok. They can take really high heat and the weight of the pan holds it for a long time.

Sorry, I really am all about cast iron these days.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Definition of mixed emotions: at a yard sale once we bought a nice antique enamelled cast iron skillet with a wooden handle. It was practically non-stick, but I couldn't go from stove to oven with it, and it was so effin heavy. I'd like some Le Creuset, but only casseroles, no frying pans.

truck-patch pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Oy, yes. The LC sauce pots I just DON'T understand -- I can't lift 'em to drain or pour or anything! Am sticking to the dutch ovens & stewpots. The baking dishes are nice but are they any better/different than any of the others (Emile Henri, etc)?

Paul, holy shite re the cracked pot! Did you mail it back for a replacement??

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 29 December 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Asda has some inexpensive le creuset stuff, i'm very tempted.

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link

It wasn't even my pot. I went over to a lady's house to impress her with my truffly stew, and wound up damaging her equipment.

I have an beautiful old orange Le Creuset 12" skillet that I don't use at all. After 20 minutes on the burner it's still all unevenly hot. I think they made it a little thinner-bottomed as a concession to the user who may want to lift it, but spoiled its conductivity in the process.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 29 December 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link


Helpful hints for cooking with All-Clad Stainless (and other responses).
Remember that All-Clad stainless is a very good conductor of heat because of the core of aluminum that runs across the bottom and up the sides. As with any good conductor of heat, a couple of simple rules will help prevent sticking. First is low - to medium heat. You don't need to crank up the heat on these pans, you'll just end up scorching. The second is "hot pan, cold oil", pre-heat your pan (over low to medium heat) and THEN add the oil. This will prevent many sticky issues. Bar Keepers Friend or Bon Ami are both mild abrasives that won't scratch the mirror polish exterior on the pans and are a good bet. The soapy water and back on the range is a good technique. Do not season All-Clad Stainless.

Eggs and dairy products will always be easier in a nonstick unless you're willing to use a ton of butter. The Teflon cited above in reference to tobacco is Teflon NXT 70 (used to make seal rings, valve seats, bearing pads, linings, and as a base resin for filled compounds). The workers in the manufacting facility smoked cigarettes infused with this substance. I wouldn't reccomend smoking anything infused with any sort of plastic. In terms of cooking with teflon, just don't burn the pan and you should be fine.

Many Calphalon cookware lines are made of an anodized aluminum and the lye used in dishwashing detergent literally eats through the anodization on the exterior. If the pan is truly nonstick on the interior it won't adversely affect that surface (I am unsure as to the "infused" surafce really is on the Calphalon One). If you have inadvertently run the pan through the dishwasher and it has discolored on the outside, at least be comforted that the cookware may look horrible, but should cook just the same.

Adam Marland, Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps this is the tobacco reference you are citing? I was referring to the fact that R.J.Reynolds does not allow any equipment with any form of Teflon (be it PTFE, FEP, PFA, or what have you) in the processing and manufacturing lines for tobacco.

I still prefer well-seasoned cast iron, these days.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

A couple of years ago, Philadelphia were giving away a free mini Le Creuset oven dish with every tub. I bought about half a dozen at once and got very sick of cream cheese, but it was worth it. They're were blue, but I actually prefer the orange because it reminds me of my Mum in the seventies. French supermarkets are by far the cheapest places to buy when Philadelphia aren't doing a promo.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

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Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Do any of you have experience cooking on/in soapstone? I am becoming curious about it.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link


I LOVE MY SOAPSTONE COOKWARE!!

Once you cure it (easy to do) it is totally non-stick and unlike cast iron you don't have to reseason to keep it that way. It retains heat twice as long as cast iron and conducts heat as well as copper - I like my dutch oven better then my Le Creseut.

My new favorite piece is a griddle which stays hot for so long that you can even cook table top - Really Cool!! It can also be chilled and used to keep apetizers cool for hours.

Naturestone (www.brazilonmymind.com) has the largest selection - A great web site for more information on soapstone cookware is www.fantes.com

Catherine Carnahan, Sunday, 29 January 2006 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks! Why isn't it as popular as cast iron, I wonder.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 30 January 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd never heard of it, until now.

But my Le Creuset are to be delivered today!

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 30 January 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

2 questions about cast iron cookware:

1) how do the denizens of I Love Cooking cure their cast iron cookware?
2) If you, uh, ha ha, didn't bother to cure it first before using is it...too late? We've only got like one or two items but Tom used them without curing first so I've just followed suit because I figured, oh well, what the hell, and have only just realized this is possibly an asinine thing to think.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Not too late. I rescued two pans last year from a thrift store. Just scrub really well with soap and hot water with a Choreboy copper or steel. Dry thoroughly. Thinly coat with Crisco or lard (some say vegetable oil). Thinly means thinly; you want the barest coating of grease, all over the pan. Turn upside down and bake in a 350 deg. oven for an hour or so. Turn the oven off and let the pan cool in it, undisturbed.

Seasoning a pan is actually creating a polymerized coating of oil on it, which adheres between the metal molecules. It will eventually become more non-stick, but if you cook anything acidic or too liquid in it, you'll need to reseason. We cook every day with the cast iron skillet and I reseason it once a month or so, when I've already got the oven heated up for something else.

Also, some of the Lodge brand pieces come preseasoned. They're a dark, oily-looking finish as opposed to the duller medium gray of the raw iron.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

so the calphalon ion-infused anodized series is very good. It cooks beautifully, really evenly, doing exactly what they advertise as the strong point: perfect sear and release leaving just the right amount of little bits for deglazing. So it's definitely NOT nonstick.

but it will take a beating. they say you can use metal utensils, but i dont want to mar the appearance, so i wont (even if it wont harm its functionality). but you can scrub it with plastic scouring pads, so that's cool. barkeepers friend works wonders on it, restoring the finish to pretty much brand new appearance.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I have to cure my cast iron pan? I guess it's good that I still haven't used it then...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

You don't have to, but it keeps it from rusting and makes it much easier to clean up.

AaronK - would it be non-stick enough to easily cook eggs in? The teflon in my egg pan is starting to chip and I'm considering replacements.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link

mmm, i havent had terribly good luck with eggs yet - i think it'd be ok if you used a lot of oil or butter. the nonstick would probably be a better bet if eggs are a big item.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a pan that's only used for eggs, so I'll look more at the truly non-stick. It's good to know you're liking it so well for other things!

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi to All, I've been having trouble with sticking with a nice big stainless steel Lagnostina skillet, it has a heavy base filled with alumiinium/alloy. The 'hot pan - cold oil' approach helps, but it's still a problem. I found a web-site that recommended seasoning the S/S pan the same way you'd do cast iron. As the handles are removeable on the skillet I'm tempted to do this, but still kind of leery. It would be nice to be able to use this pan with more confidence.

Bob

Heat the oven to 250o - 300o
Coat the pan with lard or bacon grease. Don't use a liquid vegetable oil because it will leave a sticky surface and the pan will not be properly seasoned.
Put the pan in the oven. In 15 minutes, remove the pan & pour out any excess grease. Place the pan back in the oven and bake for 2 hours.
Repeating this process several times is recommended as it will help create a stronger "seasoning" bond.

Also, when you put the pan into service, it is recommended to use it initially for foods high in fat, such as bacon or foods cooked with fat, because the grease from these foods will help strengthen the seasoning.


Bob Thompson, Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I have a Lodge brand that was "pre-seasoned", so I guess I don't have to worry about it after all. I was wondering why it didn't come with seasoning instructions.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

You might want to season it every so often - even the preseasoning wears off eventually as you cook. The griddle I bought was preseasoned - I don't do any liquid or acidic cooking on it, so I only season it once every 3 months or so.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I nearly bought an Emile Henri dutch Oven today. It looked like matt black cast iron, but was told it was ceramic, and could break if dropped. I was very disappointed,as I love cast iron cookware. My 3 skillet set has been in use for 30 years and is better than new,nothing ever sticks and definitely no rust ever. My skillets have wooden screw-on handles, so they often go in the oven for bakes etc.minus the handle. To clean, I wipe out with salt on a paper napkin first then oil and replace in cooling oven or cooktop.No water, not ever.

Dorothy Shirley Pitt, Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you find that scouring with salt really suffices so your delicate breakfast pancakes don't pick up any scent of last night's garlicky pan-roast? I've had the occasional unpleasant surprise.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I picked up a 14" cast iron skillet a few weeks ago - then we started watching Alton Brown. He did a steak show where he cleaned the skillet with salt afterwards, so RJM thought he'd try that out. It wasn't terribly successful esp. w/r/t flavor, so we are back to the hot water+plastic scrubber method which suits us fine. I've actually got both my skillets seasoned well enough now to fry eggs in without sticking, so have pitched all the teflon pans out.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I want to buy a really excellent, long-lasting pan as a birthday gift. Something medium-sized and really versatile that will deal with everything from risotto to frying steaks. Upthread someone recommends the calphalon ion-infused anodized series, which apparently is non-stick'ish' but leaves a few bits to deglaze. Pretty damn expensive, though. Any other recommendations at similar or lower prices?

ljubljana, Monday, 22 November 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link

idk about that but i wanna talk about sticky pans. i love my le creuset dutch oven so so much, but it's like the stickiest surface to cook on but at the same time you can get it 100% clean very easily. on the other hand i got myself a kitchen aid stainless frying pan that's now my favorite cooking surface for non-stick qualities (when properly pre-heated) but it's got a film of carmelized gunk on it since i used it to make pancakes. what is this about?

john water (harbl), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it's baked on oil.
I've had pretty good luck getting that off by making a paste of baking soda, letting it set and scrubbing it off.

the higgs, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link

oh scratch my question, I found that calphalon ion-infused anodized stuff a lot cheaper somewhere else so I think I'm going with that.

ljubljana, Friday, 26 November 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i was going to buy a new nonstick pan today. the only thing i use nonstick for is eggs. but when i got to macy's i liked a stainless omelette pan so much better than any of the nonstick ones and i got the stainless one instead. then when i came home and thought about it i was like why did i get a stainless to cook eggs. is this the worst idea? am i never going to have scrambled eggs again? it says it's for omelettes so it should work, right? i really want to throw out my old nonstick pans.

tunnel joe (harbl), Sunday, 1 May 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

I'd return it.

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Sunday, 1 May 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

i can't decide. i used a coupon today that expires tomorrow but i will only lose a few dollars if i wait anyway. my le creuset skillet is getting better seasoned so i might be able to use that to scramble. sucks you can't try out a frying pan and return it!

tunnel joe (harbl), Monday, 2 May 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

Sur la Table has some new fangled pan that is supposed to be non-stick sans Teflon. It has an odd name that is escaping me at the moment--eco-something, maybe? I will try and track it down with the google.

quincie, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

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quincie, Monday, 2 May 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

i made the exchange today. but i got the one thing i didn't want which is a pair of nonsticks (one 8" one 10"). i was trying to have fewer frying pans! i got calphalon.

tunnel joe (harbl), Monday, 2 May 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

Why do you keep doing what you didn't mean to do? I thought lawyers were analytical and methodical. #trolling

the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

i was tired of shopping yesterday (i was in macys for 20 minutes!!!) and then today i was just tired. but i just used the 8" one and i really liked it. so i'm ok.

tunnel joe (harbl), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 01:49 (twelve years ago) link


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