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― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:31 (nine years ago) link
Awesome. Who gives a shit?
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link
Your argument is akin to saying that "Christian Identity" movements aren't bad because while it is a code for white supremacy, Christians having a sense of identity is totally ok.
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:35 (nine years ago) link
No, my argument is akin to saying that "Christian" movements aren't bad because while some Christian movements use the term as code for white supremacy, Christians as a group are far more diverse than this limited usage implies (and that it in fact serves white supremacists to have "Christians" confused for "Christian Identity").
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:36 (nine years ago) link
#notallMordys
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:38 (nine years ago) link
Like if IS starts to fall a part it will make no sense to start writing articles about how this is the "Death of Islam," even tho acc to members of IS their brand of Islamism is the only authentic brand. Similarly, that some bro gaming culture is having a public tantrum doesn't really mean anything about gamers in general (as I believe the word is popularly understood outside this case), and writing articles about the death of gaming is similarly stupid. To your point that anyone discussing this issue knows what we mean we say "gamers," I agreed w/ that way above when I admitted my point was a nitpick in light of the broader conversation.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:39 (nine years ago) link
EZ, are you afraid no one saw your shit joke the first time you posted it?
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:40 (nine years ago) link
Nope. But you obviously don't get it.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:41 (nine years ago) link
Seems to me that you are sidestepping the shitiness of this whole situation by falling back on the fact that these dudes are misusing the term "gamer", which is similar to sidestepping Christian identity awfulness by saying those dudes are misusing the term "Christian" so it looks like my point still stands, and in fact thanks for illustrating it for me.
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:41 (nine years ago) link
I get it. You believe that in trying to explain why I think the term has been hijacked to refer to a niche culture within gaming at large, that actually I'm trying to deflect the accusations being made about gamers. I don't think it takes the critique away, though, to note that gaming is much more diverse than the community under discussion. It can strengthen the critique by reaffirming various gaming communities over the years who have been building diverse cultures while bro gaming has been in existence - it reminds us that ludic engagement in gameplay doesn't have to take the form that it does in a particular kind of hyper-expensive, violence-saturated, sexually offensive capitalist driven product.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:45 (nine years ago) link
That was xp intended.
There are tons of people on ILX that love video games but no one wants to claim the poisoned fruit of "gamer" other than you. Does that mean nothing?
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:49 (nine years ago) link
Look, I work in an industry that has at least partially pulled itself out of this cesspool in the last 20 years, if somebody wants to write an article about the death of the "guitar dude" despite being technically a prime specimen of guitar dude I am all for it.
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:50 (nine years ago) link
I don't know what that means. It's bizarre. SPECULATION: I think we have a bunch of people who probably until very recently thought of themselves of "gamers" and as this clusterfuck has blown up they've stopped identifying w/ the term bc they've started to believe it means something they hadn't thought they had signed onto. I think they believe that bc the discourse has been very effectively hijacked by so-called "gamers" and the /gaming media/. xp
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:51 (nine years ago) link
Like "gamer" is a shit term, it's like claiming people who like food are foodies. I eat and enjoy food and enjoy cooking it, which is a normal pursuit and it's fine if someone thinks of me as a foodie or w/e but self-identification would be weird because it's something I do, not my identity
These dudes think they're Ryan Gosling in Drive as "the driver" when in fact their defining characteristic isn't playing games, it is being dickholes.
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:52 (nine years ago) link
Yo Mordy how many gaming conventions have you been to
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:53 (nine years ago) link
0
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:53 (nine years ago) link
I have met gamers my friend, and you are no gamer
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:54 (nine years ago) link
the hours i've spent in my life playing video games beg to differ
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:54 (nine years ago) link
Wait hold up, now gaming media is to blame?
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:55 (nine years ago) link
well duh - gaming media has been creating bro gamer culture forever. i remember reading the most sexist shit in gaming magazines when i was growing up. they taught that culture to their readership.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:55 (nine years ago) link
i wish i could remember the magazine i once bought in a train station that was literally Maxim for video games. i think the rating system was on a scale from zero to having a beer and a woman sitting on your lap. odious shit. like i know they didn't invent Duke Nukem, but there's no reason they had to identify so hard w/ the most juvenile part of the industry when franchises like civilization + sim city has spanned the history of video games.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:57 (nine years ago) link
That is
A - uncomfortably close to the shade these assholes are throwingB - weirdly analogous to the Fox News "lamestream media" approach
These dudes use the term like a banner, how is gaming media to blame for that? Should they be inventing a new name for them?
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:58 (nine years ago) link
Like you can read a shitload of books but until you join book club or write book reviews you are not part of "reader culture"
btw I bought every issue of "Video Games & Computer Entertainment" religiously and then subscribed to GamePro and later was all over some FPS websites circa 2000, which is where I am coming from
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 03:58 (nine years ago) link
yes - they should call them bro gamers
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 03:58 (nine years ago) link
The term is fucked, Mordy. You standing for "gamer" will change nothing.
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:00 (nine years ago) link
i disagree - it'll be rehabilitated in a minute. ppl who play lots of games will want to call themselves gamers. they always have.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:01 (nine years ago) link
Gaming media has changed. Dramatically. These gamers of the modern day don't like that. It's part of their dumb as balls platform where everyone is a social justice warrior because they acknowledge that non Cheeto fingered white hetero dudes play games now. Blaming the media of now for that is fucking ridiculous.
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:01 (nine years ago) link
I don't want to call myself a gamer
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:02 (nine years ago) link
Like there was a period of time, probably over a hundred years ago, where "Zionist" was a pretty chill, homeland for a people term (history probably would show me otherwise, but run with it). Due to the timescale of the internet and video games, you are showing up in 2014 and saying "what do you have against zionists" when the popular North American perception is fucked up Christian evangelicals wanting to bring on the apocalypse
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:03 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
And honestly I never have. That's why this "don't steal my identification!!!" approach makes literally no sense to me.
Xposts apparently
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
And you saying it will be rehabilitated completely undermines your point that it is a neutral term!
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
well obv it's not a neutral term in this conversation! i'm not an idiot.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
It's not a neutral term in any other conversation at the moment either, just FYI
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link
first they came for the gamer bros, and I laughed my ass off
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link
i bet u if i go out into my world of non-gamers and ask them what a gamer is 99% will tell me someone who plays games.
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:07 (nine years ago) link
Even if that is true, so what?
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:08 (nine years ago) link
of that 99%, 80% will add "who live in their mother's basement"
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:09 (nine years ago) link
Haha yes
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:09 (nine years ago) link
Your entire argument has been that it is not a loaded term that most video game consumers don't really relate to
btw most video game consumers are women over 30 or w/e, who just play some games
do I do not think your world is representative, and the question you should ask is "are you a gamer, as in a term of self-identification"
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:10 (nine years ago) link
DJP also otm
Go ahead and take a sec and look at the first 50 image search results for "gamer" and get back to me about your thoughts about how the public sees the term.
― you must have me confused with my stacked as fuck and imposing friend (jjjusten), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:14 (nine years ago) link
now i'm worried i'm going to find out i'm also not a stoner bc i've never been to a cannabis convention
― Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:23 (nine years ago) link
apparently the public views 'stoner' very different than i do according to GIS
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 5 September 2014 04:28 (nine years ago) link
I prefer the term "hardcore gamer" myself. sounds so cool.
― original bgm, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:29 (nine years ago) link
i wish i could find that picture of joyce carol oates playing n64
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 5 September 2014 04:33 (nine years ago) link
this weekend i'm gonna ask my DS-addicted mum if she's a gamer, might get in trouble tho
― Daphnis Celesta, Friday, 5 September 2014 06:04 (nine years ago) link
mordy is actually right here guys and this - "Like you can read a shitload of books but until you join book club or write book reviews you are not part of "reader culture"" - makes a v dodgy active/passive distinction but even if you take it, it wld be enough to prove mordy's point, as there are obv all sorts of oddball heterodox games being made, funded & reviewed
mb we can talk about small g-gamers so that ppl can keep their handy pejoratives. I think underlying mordy's point is that the current dominant mainstream culture is younger than the term it's claiming & will be outlived by it, so it's questionable to cede it temporarily
― ogmor, Friday, 5 September 2014 12:45 (nine years ago) link
this all seems strange to me because I don't play (and have never played) first person shooters, which is where I think the sexist/racist bullshit resides mostly? like there is this parallel world of video games where people care about war shooters and the like, and I can tell from tv ads that those games are really crazy popular and cash cows...but then I read one of the "the end of gamers" linked here & was confused.
& I play a lot of video games! & have for like 30+ years.
I dunno I watch my kids play tons of games too & it's all minecraft & puzzle games & it's not just my influence there, that's what the kids at school play. maybe when my boy hits 14-16 he'll want to play call of duty or whatever but I dunno, that just seems like a dumb subculture to me.
― Euler, Friday, 5 September 2014 13:05 (nine years ago) link