i would think the root of a lot of this DIY / headshop / meganerd stuff is Whole Earth Catalog, no?
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 September 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
we had a copy floating around the house iirc
still fun to flip through: http://www.wholeearth.com/back-issues.php
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 September 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link
Ayo forks if you want my mags ilx mail me otherwise I'll recycle them in a week
― 龜, Friday, 5 September 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
I did! Did you not get my mail? I'll try again.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 September 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Fb me then
― 龜, Friday, 5 September 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
lemme know if you just got that
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 September 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link
'Not that there's a neutral word for "foodie" either'
hungry
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
Got it xp
― 龜, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:36 (nine years ago) link
gracias!
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 September 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
it's amazing how many different aspects of this i couldn't give a fucking shit about
― Daphnis Celesta, Friday, September 5, 2014 9:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ienjoyhotdogs, Friday, 5 September 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link
so I guess Zoe Quinn had saved loads of IRC chatlogs of tragic dogfuckers orchestrating the gamergate and discussing trying to hack her, and now a lot of part-time dogfuckers are having to go "...oh..." and back away slowly?
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 6 September 2014 13:22 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw1grxjCAAAYEQV.png:large
got a pretty intense wave of pathos washing over me right now
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 6 September 2014 13:33 (nine years ago) link
https://storify.com/public/templates/card/index.html?src=//storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858347-Zoe-Quinn-and-the-surrounding-controversy?page=563
just in case you lose track of how these people think, members of the "cause" rationalize this too. Also this weird hangup about "the media" - who? What?
So, am I the only one not seeing the big deal about Zoe's IRC 'leaks'. I mean it was a public IRC that anyone could join and there was nothing bad about anything she uploaded.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
Why are they saying we've to hate on a guy that got cheated on at least five times and forced into a nervous breakdown by his ex?
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 September 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
These youtube/4chan gamer dudes strike me as elliott rodgers types more than bro.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, September 5, 2014 12:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lot of nerds being labeled bro these days and its just not right not everyone u dont like exists on the hipster-bro continuum
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I agree with that. Many of the games are bro-y in various evident ways, and many of them (esp. shooters) are popular with bros, but it's not 1:1 at all, and I suspect a lot of the really distorted "never been out of the house" circles have relatively few bros in the room. But I really don't know. Like I figure WoW and Final Fantasy are less bro-y fandoms than CoD and God of War, right?
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah it's kinda lol that these punks want recognition for their easily purchased AAA widely-advertised blando gaming habits; can you even beat hell in cave story+ bro?
― Mordy, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
If the internet has taught us anything it's that nerds are worse than jocks when given the chance
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
Thing is that jock types are generally dbags for a brief bout of junior high and into college and then they become normal dudes who don't even remember the people they pushed into lockers for better or for worse, whereas a lot of these nerds just spend the rest of their lives post-high school in a state of simmering hate and nursing grudges against a whole type of person that didn't "get" them back in the day or fucked with them.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 6 September 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
"They thought the people who will die 500 times and keep getting back up in Dark Souls would fold" is priceless, so good it kinda has to be a parody.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 September 2014 16:31 (nine years ago) link
That's the beauty of 4chan, you'll never know!
― Nhex, Saturday, 6 September 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
OTM to the nth.
― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 6 September 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link
Yah also there are different jock types like some really great athlete ones that are super popular but also academically high achieving could be really nice to everyone, I think due to total self confidence and genial nature they have nothing to prove as having been totally successful on every level of high school from football to inevitably good looking and excellent student gf so feel no need to tear down others lower on totem pole. More borderline or dumb ones are more dangerous at time but tend as you say to verge into khaki dadhood and are probably chill dudes in their cul De sac
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
Also it should be said that lots of these nerd types really just despise and look down on pretty much everyone, and there's a partic strain of pseudo intellectual bs that differentiates them from actual "smart kids" and continues into adulthood.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
where do mark cuban and steve ballmer fall on the nerd/jock/chillbro continuum?
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
Steve Ballmer is by most accounts just a spectacularly excitable weirdo
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, you guys are talking shit about nerds vs jocks. What has happened here is that you're far closer to nerds, so you see every pockmark and dribble of sweat, whereas the jocks are off wayyyy over there and they look a whole lot better to you right now. If you like I can balance it out by posting all the craploads of stories about American college jocks drugging and raping women and getting away with it. But I don't think anyone really wants that.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link
Sadly misogyny is EVERYWHERE. It's not special to nerds or gamers.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, let's not become Captain Save-a-Jock - good point. I do think it might be useful to identify the specific strategies, channels, and rhetorical guises misogyny takes in these different circles though - your fedora-wearing, arms-crossed internet cynic nerd rationalizes misogyny through very different channels and rhetoric IME.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 September 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
red bull seems to be doing its part to bridge the nerd/jock/bro divide:http://www.redbullmusicacademy.jp/jp/magazine/digging-in-the-carts
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
I'm actually very close w people who were jocks. And nerds. I also have a very specific window into things here, which is first hand reading all the garbage emails and rape threats received by my female coworkers so yeah maybe I see it a certain way....
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
Or to say don't doubt that for every Zoe Quinn or Anita S there are 20 women who don't go public w stuff in games
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
Um, is that addressed toward me? Because believe me, I don't doubt it. Nothing in what I said implied that I doubted it. I have no idea how you could possibly infer that I doubted it.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
Sorry u too many #notallgamers & #notyourshield crap this week, sincere apologies, I almost get used to things going aggro from the jump
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
Oh, no, the shit coming from the gaming world is very real and pernicious, obv. I'm just saying that there's real and pernicious shit everywhere else, too. It's all horribly, horribly depressing.
― emil.y, Saturday, 6 September 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
in england, certainly, the sort of people who will own, say, 'gears of war' swag, don't, i think, map onto either 'jocks' or 'nerds'. they might map onto 'people who have conversations about mobile phones'. i wonder how they map onto 'metal listeners'
i think the intensification of misogynist content in games rn is a bit like the intensification of misogynist content in 'rock' music over the period '70-'89, maybe, both seem an artifact of the balkanisation of a previously monolithic (or possible to treat as monolithic) audience
unclear perhaps whether god of war is at the 'virgin killer' or 'appetite for destruction' end of that cycle
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
i get the sense that jocks today are de facto gamers because madden etc... is part of their training protocols now. maybe in england it's different because there are no rowing simulators. fifa though...
― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
these people wd play iss pro
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
not sure if that's accurate tbf
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
is there a video on the internet of milhouse shouting 'im not a nerd - nerds are smart!' that i could link here
― Lamp, Saturday, 6 September 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link
― rap steve (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:09 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
never give nerds a chance my motto
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, September 6, 2014 1:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i feel like this is the defining characteristic of nerd culture thinking youre better than everyone cause youre smart, thinking being smart is the only thing that matters, defining intelligence so narrowly as to be meaningless
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link
irks me how nerds are always portrayed as gentle inquisitive souls when theyre often so completely arrogant, not that gentle inquisitive nerds dont exist
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
Gentle inquisitive nerds rock, but don't tend to have very popular YouTube channels.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 6 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
Thought this was good:
http://deathofgamergate.tumblr.com/
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 8 September 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
That is very good
also lol @ GamerGate, now and forever
― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
i always think ofhttp://aznbadger.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/shadowgate3.png
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
The tumblr is very good - one thing that it largely misses though is the collection of bugs under this uncovered rock, people who are convinced that 'SJWs' have been involved in a protracted effort to infiltrate games journalism and now the, er, ivory towers of indie games (?!?) because they hate gamers and they have as their goal the elimination of the gamer identity and the ruining of games by 'forcing' them to change from the good old days (Sarkeesian is far more of a hate-figure for this mob than Quinn).
I'm aware of the very large gulf of analogy, but the tone of the language actually reminds me of 30s German anti-semitism: These people are responsible for the fact that it's not the days of glory any more, these people are invisibly in cliques in positions of influence (and can only be there for subterfuge as they definitionally can't share the same identity as you and I), these people must be fought against at all costs.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 September 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link